2009 second warmest year on record

[elvis]

It was in the upper 50's today in Boston. Why didn't Sinatra or one of her clones make a thread to let us all know about it?

because he doesn't live in boston?

 

[Article 15]

It was in the upper 50's today in Boston. Why didn't Sinatra or one of her clones make a thread to let us all know about it?

because he doesn't live in boston?

lol ...

I'm going with, "because they only like to point out unusually cold days."

 

[Oddball]

Maybe she's hiding because the Martians were seen moving north, out of New Jersey.

 

[Article 15]

Maybe she's hiding because the Martians were seen moving north, out of New Jersey.

Whatever she's doing it isn't talking about temperatures being 15 degrees above the average high in New Jersey the last couple of days.

 

[saveliberty]

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Man, you are really desperate.

The Sun is at its lowest level of activity in 80 years, and yet the ice continues to melt.

Why?

Endlessly looping and stupidly repeating your false claim doesn't make it any less false.

The sun is at it's lowest level of activity in 80 years.

correct

The ice continues to melt

correct

So where is the false claim? Or do I have to present links that prove both statements were correct? I can quite quickly, you know. For it is your own deniers that have been making a big deal out of the solar minimum, only to have it blow back in their faces.

Liberty, do you have any kind of intellect at all? Do you know how to do even the most basic research? To present links from reputable sources to back up your mindless assertations? I think not.

Ice continues to form more places than it is melting is a far more accurate statement. I am doing some studies. It is finding your supposed scientists to be fakers, liars and generally misleading on almost their entire body of work. Your sources certainly are not reputable, just supported by government funding.

89% of the data sites don't meet the standards of the group gathering information. Graphs and charts are manipulated and don't even reflect actual temperature differences experienced in the area. All you had to do was look at some of the websites I listed a couple of days ago and see how poorly the data sites were.

You are ignorant. That means willful stupidity in my book. It is okay to be stupid, some can't help that. To be stupid because you refuse to learn is entirely different. I believe you have the capacity and ability to change, I just don't understand why you won't.

 

[Old Rocks]

http://icesjms.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/short/65/3/296

Plankton, from the last ice age to the year 3007
E. C. Pielou
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Pielou, E. C. 2008. Plankton, from the last ice age to the year 3007. – ICES Journal of Marine Science, 65: 296–301.

Climate forcing of the environment and biota has been happening since time immemorial, human forcing only for the past 200 years or so. This paper considers, first, climatic changes over the past 30 000 years, as indicated by plankton and their effects on plankton. Only fossilizable plankton can be observed: principally foraminifera, radiolaria, and pteropods in the zooplankton, and their food, principally coccolithophores, diatoms, and dinoflagellate cysts, in the phytoplankton. The soft-bodied zooplankton species—especially copepods—that lived with them can only be inferred. Large, abrupt climate changes took place, aided by positive feedback. Second, this paper attempts to predict how human forcing in the form of anthropogenic climate change is likely to affect marine ecosystems in the future. Past predictions have underestimated the speed at which warming is actually happening: positive feedback has been unexpectedly strong. Thus, the melting of snow and ice, by reducing the earth's albedo, has increased the amount of solar energy absorbed. Also, warming of the surface (water and land) has caused outgassing of methane from buried clathrates (hydrates), and methane is a strong greenhouse gas

 

[Old Rocks]

There is not only an increasing amount of peer reviewed literature on adrupt climate change, there is recognition now that we are in the beginning of such a change. And that the acceleration of that change may procede at a catastrophic rate as the Arctic Clathrates outgas.

Abrupt Climate Change - Questions and Answers

2: What scientific evidence do we have that abrupt climate change has happened before?

Evidence of abrupt climate change comes from all manners of sources (glacial deposits, tropical and polar ice caps, pollens, lake and marine sediments, tree rings, corals, speleothems, etc). Confidence in identifying such changes rises when more than one data source, and in more than one region, records the event. Many abrupt changes can be readily identified since the peak of the last ice age, but let us consider two examples with very different causes and consequences.
1. The Younger Dryas
What is the Younger Dryas?



Dryas octopetala
An event that occurred about 12,800 years before present (BP), termed the Younger Dryas (YD), is the canonical example of abrupt climate change. It is best seen in the Greenland ice cores, although it had very marked consequences over Europe, North America, and as far as New Zealand. The YD is an invaluable case study: it occurred recently enough so that records of it are well-preserved, and seems to have left traces all over the world.
Let us look at the temperature over Greenland for the last 18,000 years:

 

[Old Rocks]

You see, the changes do not involve just temperature, but the whole of the biotic system on this planet. A system that we depend on for food.

Liberty, this is how you post science. Not just yap-yap claims with no links or referances.

Impacts of ocean acidification on marine fauna and ecosystem processes -- Fabry et al. 65 (3): 414 -- ICES Journal of Marine Science: Journal du Conseil

Fabry, V. J., Seibel, B. A., Feely, R. A., and Orr, J. C. 2008. Impacts of ocean acidification on marine fauna and ecosystem processes. – ICES Journal of Marine Science, 65: 414–432.

Oceanic uptake of anthropogenic carbon dioxide (CO2) is altering the seawater chemistry of the world’s oceans with consequences for marine biota. Elevated partial pressure of CO2 (pCO2) is causing the calcium carbonate saturation horizon to shoal in many regions, particularly in high latitudes and regions that intersect with pronounced hypoxic zones. The ability of marine animals, most importantly pteropod molluscs, foraminifera, and some benthic invertebrates, to produce calcareous skeletal structures is directly affected by seawater CO2 chemistry. CO2 influences the physiology of marine organisms as well through acid-base imbalance and reduced oxygen transport capacity. The few studies at relevant pCO2 levels impede our ability to predict future impacts on foodweb dynamics and other ecosystem processes. Here we present new observations, review available data, and identify priorities for future research, based on regions, ecosystems, taxa, and physiological processes believed to be most vulnerable to ocean acidification. We conclude that ocean acidification and the synergistic impacts of other anthropogenic stressors provide great potential for widespread changes to marine ecosystems

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Vanna, give the Wheel of AGW a spin and see how much Climate Change we'll have in the year 3000

 

[Old Rocks]

No, just sit back and watch what happens in 2010.

Perhaps you could pray to your people in the Hollow Moon to help us, Frank

 

[Oddball]

 

[rdean]

http://www.scientificcomputing.com/...rmest-Year-012510.aspx?wnnvz=1743,01284236785

Those darn scientists. Aways coming up with numbers and data and stuff. They should stick to something Republicans can believe in - like bombs. Now bombs are good. They keep us "safe".

 

[Old Rocks]

But what else would we expect for you, Dooodeee.....

 

[Zander]

Here's a Globull Warming Poem I wrote. Enjoy!

Oh Gaia, help save our wounded Planet
Oh Gaia, help save our suffering Earth

Oh Science, we need you to smite the winners!!
Smite the SUV's!! Smite the sinners!!
Oh Science, we need you to falsify records from past time
manufacture consensus, and hide the decline!

Oh Gaia, in Gore's name we pray
Oh Gaia, one square to wipe our ass, per day!

Oh Gaia, we are gullible nitwits.
In Gore's name we pray.....Oh Gaia

 

[saveliberty]

News, and in your case Old Rocks, science flash!

Methane is not CO2. Shifting ocean currents cause some place to melt and others to be left alone. There is no evidence (you know, that sciency stuff) to support your claim that this is a man-made process. As noted, climates change all the time. During those processes CO2 levels, methane and many other things are modified. Big deal. None of your support materials can point to man as the defining cause. Lots of post material, no correlation.

PHOENIX -- It's official! July of 2009 was the hottest on record for Phoenix and Yuma when it came to the average temperatures.

The average high temperature ended up at 109.5 degrees ranking second hottest behind July of 1989.

The average low temperature is at 87.1 degrees, ranking it the warmest on record.

If we look at the average temperature, which is the average of the high and low, that number is 98.3, making it the hottest on record.

So why was it so hot? High pressure during the month of July usually likes to sit over the Four Corners area.

Instead, this ridge of high pressure, on average, has been sitting over northern Mexico and southern New Mexico resulting in a more moist air mass at the mid-levels of the atmosphere.

This has been keeping overnight lows much warmer. Therefore the air doesn't have to work as hard to get to 110 or higher.

There has been a persistent trough of low pressure from eastern Canada into the eastern U.S resulting in below average temperatures and abundant rainfall back east.

Places like Detroit, Chicago, Indianapolis, and Marquette are having one of the coolest July's on record.

July of 2009 was the hottest on record! - Phoenix Arizona news, breaking news, local news, weather radar, traffic from ABC15 News | ABC15.com

Cause: Shifted highs and lows across the nation. Note global warming not a factor. Also some consideration given to the physical expansion of the Yuma and Phoenix areas as urban heat islands in the last decade.

 

[Old Rocks]

Zander, your poetic abilities are just as great as your abilities to back up your nonsense with facts.

 

[Old Rocks]

No, CH4 is not CO2. It is, over the space of a decade, about 70 times more effective than CO2 in trapping heat. Not only that, as the clathrates outgas, they add significantly to the acidity increase in the oceans, leading to an anoxic ocean.

Right now, due to the 250% increase in CH4 and the industrial GHGs, we are past the equivelent of 450 ppm of CO2.

And the Arctic Ocean clathrates have began to outgass. The edomal areas of the permafrost are also contributing CH4 by the millions of tons.

Note, a prediction of global warming is changed atmospheric circulation. But just because we are now seeing changed atmospheric circulation does not mean global warming has anything to do with is

OK.........?????????????

Sciency stuff? LOL. None of the articles that I presented were written by scientists? Your denial has gone beyond ridiculous into the realm of fantasy!

 

[Zander]

Zander, your poetic abilities are just as great as your abilities to back up your nonsense with facts.

The difference is - I don't pretend that the shit I make up is science. You do.

Climatology is to Science as Astrology is to Astronomy. Both are "Faith based".....

 

[Charles Stucker]

NASA: 2009 tied for 2nd-warmest year, 00s hottest decade too

Hide the Decline

 

[theHawk]

NASA: 2009 tied for 2nd-warmest year, 00s hottest decade too

Who cares, for most of the Earth's history it has been several degrees warmer than it is today.

Earth's Climatic History

Climatologists have used various techniques and evidence to reconstruct a history of the Earth's past climate. From this data, they have found that during most of the Earth's history global temperatures were probably 8 to 15 degrees Celsius warmer than today. In the last billion years of climatic history, warmer conditions were broken by glacial periods starting at 925, 800, 680, 450, 330, and 2 million years before present.

The period from 2,000,000 - 14,000 B.P. (before present) is known as the Pleistocene or Ice Age. During this period, large glacial ice sheets covered much of North America, Europe, and Asia for extended periods of time. The extent of the glacier ice during the Pleistocene was not static. The Pleistocene had periods when the glacier retreated (interglacial) because of warmer temperatures and advanced because of colder temperatures (glacial). During the coldest periods of the Ice Age, average global temperatures were probably 4 - 5 degrees Celsius colder than they are today.

The most recent glacial retreat is still going on. We call the temporal period of this retreat the Holocene epoch. This warming of the Earth and subsequent glacial retreat began about 14,000 years ago (12,000 BC). The warming was shortly interrupted by a sudden cooling, known as the Younger-Dryas, at about 10,000 - 8500 BC. Scientists speculate that this cooling may have been caused by the release of fresh water trapped behind ice on North America into the North Atlantic Ocean. The release altered vertical currents in the ocean which exchange heat energy with the atmosphere. The warming resumed by 8500 BC. By 5000 to 3000 BC average global temperatures reached their maximum level during the Holocene and were 1 to 2 degrees Celsius warmer than they are today. Climatologists call this period the Climatic Optimum. During the Climatic Optimum, many of the Earth's great ancient civilizations began and flourished. In Africa, the Nile River had three times its present volume, indicating a much larger tropical region.

7(x) Earth's Climatic History


Why should we be in a panic when the earth has naturally experienced much warmer periods in its history?

Why should we be worried the earth is warming since its been doing just that for the last 14,000 years?

Throughout much of earth's history the polar ice caps didn't exist. Why suddenly are they being made out to be the key to the earth's "survival"?