SherriMunnerlyn
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- Jun 11, 2012
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it was a legitimate op though. In any debate you pick a side to argue for. And even highly biased sources are not necessarily wrong. I just thought it appropriate to offer an opposing point of view since i don't believe the idf targeted journalist in palestine or otherwise have intentionally tried to muzzle the press.
hrw disagrees, they issued a report identifying israels targeting of journalists and asserting the attacks violated the fourth geneva convention.
i've been following the iraeli/neo palestinian issue for a number of years now--certainly since carter brokered a (mostly worthless as it turned out) deal between begin and arafat--i don't believe i have ever seen hrw take israel's side in anything and it has often criticized israel while not mentioning any action by the palestinians. On the rare occasion that they do take the palestinians to task for war crimes, they have thus far assigned equal or greater responsibility to israel.
So in rebuttal to your use of hrw as a source to condemn israel:
In defense of itself through ngo:
(hrw's) impact is particularly pronounced in the arab-israeli conflict:
Hrw exerts major influence on the un and on the policies of governments through condemnations of israel for alleged violations and demands for “independent investigations.” these allegations then become amplified through the media.
In this detailed, empirical research study, we present and analyze hrw’s activities concerning the arab-israeli conflict in a systematic manner, from 2001 through the middle of 2009. Our investigation shows a consistent pattern of ideological bias, lack of professional qualifications, and unsupported claims based on faulty evidence and analysis on the part of hrw. These are then replicated by governments and international organizations, including the united nations, that adopt these allegations.
The report consists of three main sections:
1) an examination of the key hrw staff members with respect to their professional backgrounds, research expertise, and ideological bias concerning israel.
2) five detailed case studies of hrw campaigns and publications between 2001 and 2009 which reflect consistent bias, false and contradictory statements, and the use of irrelevant evidence and inappropriate methodologies, including sources (“eyewitness testimony,” ngo and journalist reports, “weapons assessments”that are neither credible nor verifiable.
3) a broader quantitative analysis of hrw publications from 2002 to 2009, showing greatly disproportionate emphasis on israel in the middle east and north africa (mena) division, double standards in the use of terminology such as “war crimes,” “collective punishment,” etc., and in distorted uses of international legal terminology.
experts or ideologues? A systematic analysis of hrw?s focus on israel, executive summary (english)
and from the new republic:
on october 19 of last year, the op-ed page of the new york times contained a bombshell: A piece by robert bernstein, the founder and former chairman of human rights watch (hrw), attacking his own organization. Hrw, bernstein wrote, was “helping those who wish to turn israel into a pariah state.” the allegation was certainly not new: Hrw had been under assault for years by american jews and other supporters of israel, who argued that it was biased against the jewish state. And these attacks had intensified in recent months, with a number of unflattering revelations about the organization. In july, hrw found itself under fire when a wall street journal op-ed noted that the organization had solicited donations in saudi arabia by trumpeting the criticism it faces from “pro-israel pressure groups.” in august, the blogosphere leapt on one of the organization’s top middle east officials for having once been part of a team that edited a radical anti-israel journal. And, in september, hrw suspended one of the primary contributors to its reports on the wars in gaza and lebanon after his private hobby—collecting nazi memorabilia—became public.
minority report | new republic
unless you can show that these reports are in error or a misrepresentation of the truth, i submit that hrw is not a reliable source to use in assessing israel's 'crimes'.
I do not accept Zionist Hasbara propaganda sources as valid sources. IT IS NOT only HRW who is criticizing Israel for these war crimes against journalists, all the other human rights organizationds do, as well! I do not accept Israel as having some impunity by which she is allowed to freely murder and steal in violation of intl laws that are supposed to apply to all nations!
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