24 Division 1 schools are making money on Sports.

[turzovka]

Thank Title IX bullshit. Cost prohibitive sports forced into existence in the name of gender equity drain resources.

Yeah, all of those new Volleyball stadiums being built are a BIG drain.

Parallel women's sports have to be created for every mens sport that exists. The men's sports that generate revenue have to carry the other sports. Sports that may generate revenue have to take a backseat to gender equality bullshit.
Left wing sexist incompetence manifesting itself.

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

That is a significant part of the problem, but not all. First of all tuitions are scandalous --- they have skyrocketed even worse than the medical industry if that is possible. I cannot say who is to blame but I suspect there are lot of bullshit classes keeping high paid professors employed, there is too much emphasis on image and variety. Who is learning anything valuable going forward these days? Even if they were just liberal bastions, at least get rid of the B.S. and prepare students for decent jobs. It’s just an another wing of bloated government, a curse we cannot cure.

I do not think any student is entitled to sports or band scholarships. We cannot afford the luxury. If these students are paying 25,000 – 50,000 a year to be in college then they can pay $5,000 more to play sports if it’s their fancy. For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports. These sports lose tons of money then the colleges go to their legislatures needing greater funds year after year to run their self-serving monoliths.

 

[candycorn]

Sports are a valuable part of the college experience. It's positive and enforces ideals like hard work, sacrifice, perseverance and awards based on performance & merit.

Basically to 180 opposite of what the academic side teaches.

Kids who play sports in college are better prepared for the real world on average than those who don't these days.

There are no Safe Spaces in the Alabama or Michigan football complexes.

Total garbage

Based on what?

Not valuable in the least. Wastes of money

 

[candycorn]

In 41 of the 50 States, the College Football coach was the highest paid state employee.

This single isolated factoid doesn't mean much.

In 2008 there were people complaining that Nick Saban made too much money as the head coach at the University of Alabama. He was being paid a package that added up to $4 million per year. By the 8th game of the 2008 season, the University of Alabama had made $32 million from the merchandising. The higher paid coaches produce.

Is that typical? No.

No, it is not typical. But it does show what CAN be done.

A successful athletic program translates to increased student counts, increased donations from alumni, and increased visibility in all phases of the university's endeavors.

Increased tuitions, increased senses of entitlement on the part of athletes, increased distance away from what universities are meant to do.

 

[browsing deer]

I don't like jocks and like sports les, but for the schools it is not a waste of time. Even loosing teams are cash cow

 

[candycorn]

Thank Title IX bullshit. Cost prohibitive sports forced into existence in the name of gender equity drain resources.

Yeah, all of those new Volleyball stadiums being built are a BIG drain.

Parallel women's sports have to be created for every mens sport that exists. The men's sports that generate revenue have to carry the other sports. Sports that may generate revenue have to take a backseat to gender equality bullshit.
Left wing sexist incompetence manifesting itself.

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

I thought sports taught you something you can't learn in class. I guess only male students are entitled to learn whatever that "something" is?

 

[Muhammed]

There are 50 states and most of those State universities are Div I. So 26 are losing money on athletics….

It is not done by states. There are 351 NCAA Div I schools. Not all have football programs.

Many, if not most, State universities (university of Texas for example), have football programs

That's a good thing in my opinion.

When I'm considering a young prospective employee I always ask whether they played on the football team when they were in school and how many years they played. The reason for that is that football programs teach physical fitness and teamwork. No other program at school trains students to work as a team like football.

I'm in the concrete business and in this line of work physical fitness and teamwork are absolutely essential. Especially teamwork.

 

[WinterBorn]

In 41 of the 50 States, the College Football coach was the highest paid state employee.

This single isolated factoid doesn't mean much.

In 2008 there were people complaining that Nick Saban made too much money as the head coach at the University of Alabama. He was being paid a package that added up to $4 million per year. By the 8th game of the 2008 season, the University of Alabama had made $32 million from the merchandising. The higher paid coaches produce.

Is that typical? No.

No, it is not typical. But it does show what CAN be done.

A successful athletic program translates to increased student counts, increased donations from alumni, and increased visibility in all phases of the university's endeavors.

Increased tuitions, increased senses of entitlement on the part of athletes, increased distance away from what universities are meant to do.

Not necessarily. There are top schools who have better graduation rates for their athletes than the national average for all colleges.

 

[candycorn]

In 41 of the 50 States, the College Football coach was the highest paid state employee.

This single isolated factoid doesn't mean much.

In 2008 there were people complaining that Nick Saban made too much money as the head coach at the University of Alabama. He was being paid a package that added up to $4 million per year. By the 8th game of the 2008 season, the University of Alabama had made $32 million from the merchandising. The higher paid coaches produce.

Is that typical? No.

No, it is not typical. But it does show what CAN be done.

A successful athletic program translates to increased student counts, increased donations from alumni, and increased visibility in all phases of the university's endeavors.

Increased tuitions, increased senses of entitlement on the part of athletes, increased distance away from what universities are meant to do.

Not necessarily. There are top schools who have better graduation rates for their athletes than the national average for all colleges.

How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library.

It is particularly dumb to think that all of these time demands do not draw attention away from academics. And if what you say is true, the demands certainly are not helpful to surpassing that very surprising outcome.

Meanwhile, according to Real Sports, 24 of the athletic programs in DIV 1 make money. Its easy to see why.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Thank Title IX bullshit. Cost prohibitive sports forced into existence in the name of gender equity drain resources.

Yeah, all of those new Volleyball stadiums being built are a BIG drain.

Parallel women's sports have to be created for every mens sport that exists. The men's sports that generate revenue have to carry the other sports. Sports that may generate revenue have to take a backseat to gender equality bullshit.
Left wing sexist incompetence manifesting itself.

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

I thought sports taught you something you can't learn in class. I guess only male students are entitled to learn whatever that "something" is?

Who said that?

 

[WinterBorn]

This single isolated factoid doesn't mean much.

In 2008 there were people complaining that Nick Saban made too much money as the head coach at the University of Alabama. He was being paid a package that added up to $4 million per year. By the 8th game of the 2008 season, the University of Alabama had made $32 million from the merchandising. The higher paid coaches produce.

Is that typical? No.

No, it is not typical. But it does show what CAN be done.

A successful athletic program translates to increased student counts, increased donations from alumni, and increased visibility in all phases of the university's endeavors.

Increased tuitions, increased senses of entitlement on the part of athletes, increased distance away from what universities are meant to do.

Not necessarily. There are top schools who have better graduation rates for their athletes than the national average for all colleges.

How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library.

It is particularly dumb to think that all of these time demands do not draw attention away from academics. And if what you say is true, the demands certainly are not helpful to surpassing that very surprising outcome.

Meanwhile, according to Real Sports, 24 of the athletic programs in DIV 1 make money. Its easy to see why.

When the Univ of Alabama took the field on New Years Eve, for the first round of the playoffs, we broke an NCAA record. 29 members of the team had already earned their degree. I believe 6 of them had earned their Masters.

How many of the players in this "meaningless game" would be unable to afford a top university, without the scholarship they get?

The team also has tutors and study facilities for the athletes. When they travel, they can still study.

 

[candycorn]

Is that typical? No.

No, it is not typical. But it does show what CAN be done.

A successful athletic program translates to increased student counts, increased donations from alumni, and increased visibility in all phases of the university's endeavors.

Increased tuitions, increased senses of entitlement on the part of athletes, increased distance away from what universities are meant to do.

Not necessarily. There are top schools who have better graduation rates for their athletes than the national average for all colleges.

How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library.

It is particularly dumb to think that all of these time demands do not draw attention away from academics. And if what you say is true, the demands certainly are not helpful to surpassing that very surprising outcome.

Meanwhile, according to Real Sports, 24 of the athletic programs in DIV 1 make money. Its easy to see why.

When the Univ of Alabama took the field on New Years Eve, for the first round of the playoffs, we broke an NCAA record. 29 members of the team had already earned their degree. I believe 6 of them had earned their Masters.

How many of the players in this "meaningless game" would be unable to afford a top university, without the scholarship they get?

The team also has tutors and study facilities for the athletes. When they travel, they can still study.

Gee, do other students get such lavish personal attention? I guess the football players pay for it though. Oh wait, silly me, they go to school for free.

Walked right into that one

 

[candycorn]

Yeah, all of those new Volleyball stadiums being built are a BIG drain.

Parallel women's sports have to be created for every mens sport that exists. The men's sports that generate revenue have to carry the other sports. Sports that may generate revenue have to take a backseat to gender equality bullshit.
Left wing sexist incompetence manifesting itself.

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

I thought sports taught you something you can't learn in class. I guess only male students are entitled to learn whatever that "something" is?

Who said that?

Bucs 90

 

[Unkotare]

Sports are a valuable part of the college experience. It's positive and enforces ideals like hard work, sacrifice, perseverance and awards based on performance & merit.

Basically to 180 opposite of what the academic side teaches.

Kids who play sports in college are better prepared for the real world on average than those who don't these days.

There are no Safe Spaces in the Alabama or Michigan football complexes.

Total garbage

What is?

 

[Unkotare]

.... For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports. ......

Proof, taking ALL sports into account?

 

[Unkotare]

Sports are a valuable part of the college experience. It's positive and enforces ideals like hard work, sacrifice, perseverance and awards based on performance & merit.

Basically to 180 opposite of what the academic side teaches.

Kids who play sports in college are better prepared for the real world on average than those who don't these days.

There are no Safe Spaces in the Alabama or Michigan football complexes.

Total garbage

Based on what?

Not valuable in the least. Wastes of money

You have to use two hands to summon the strength to press each key of your keyboard, don't you?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Sports are a valuable part of the college experience. It's positive and enforces ideals like hard work, sacrifice, perseverance and awards based on performance & merit.

Basically to 180 opposite of what the academic side teaches.

Kids who play sports in college are better prepared for the real world on average than those who don't these days.

There are no Safe Spaces in the Alabama or Michigan football complexes.

Total garbage

Based on what?

Not valuable in the least. Wastes of money

Again, based on what? Your uninformed opinion isn't evidence.

 

[WinterBorn]

No, it is not typical. But it does show what CAN be done.

A successful athletic program translates to increased student counts, increased donations from alumni, and increased visibility in all phases of the university's endeavors.

Increased tuitions, increased senses of entitlement on the part of athletes, increased distance away from what universities are meant to do.

Not necessarily. There are top schools who have better graduation rates for their athletes than the national average for all colleges.

How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library.

It is particularly dumb to think that all of these time demands do not draw attention away from academics. And if what you say is true, the demands certainly are not helpful to surpassing that very surprising outcome.

Meanwhile, according to Real Sports, 24 of the athletic programs in DIV 1 make money. Its easy to see why.

When the Univ of Alabama took the field on New Years Eve, for the first round of the playoffs, we broke an NCAA record. 29 members of the team had already earned their degree. I believe 6 of them had earned their Masters.

How many of the players in this "meaningless game" would be unable to afford a top university, without the scholarship they get?

The team also has tutors and study facilities for the athletes. When they travel, they can still study.

Gee, do other students get such lavish personal attention? I guess the football players pay for it though. Oh wait, silly me, they go to school for free.

Walked right into that one

Do other students offer so much of their time to an activity, in which they represent the university in athletic endeavors that pay the school tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of dollars?

Do other students do, as you posted before? "How long is a scholastic year; about 36 weeks. College football teams are active for 12 weeks regardless. Six of those weeks are usually spent traveling; sometimes out of the state, out of the time zone, and to play a meaningless game against a non-conference opponent just to satisfy some bizarre desire to see popular teams battle one another. This doesn’t count the practices, the scrimmages, the dinners, etc. And then you get a bowl game that saps even more time away from the library."

A regular college student can get a job, often one in which their major helps out. College athletes have very few options for work.

 

[WinterBorn]

Thank Title IX bullshit. Cost prohibitive sports forced into existence in the name of gender equity drain resources.

Yeah, all of those new Volleyball stadiums being built are a BIG drain.

Parallel women's sports have to be created for every mens sport that exists. The men's sports that generate revenue have to carry the other sports. Sports that may generate revenue have to take a backseat to gender equality bullshit.
Left wing sexist incompetence manifesting itself.

Not true. It's a numbers game to be sure. If you have a money losing football team (as the overwhelming majority of college football teams do) yes you must give women's sports that many slots to lose money

You need to balance every mens sport with a women's sport. The money makers have to subsidize these sports. In return, potential money making men's sports are disbanded or reduced to club level in order to accommodate women's sports. All in the name of pretending that women are the same as men.

That is a significant part of the problem, but not all. First of all tuitions are scandalous --- they have skyrocketed even worse than the medical industry if that is possible. I cannot say who is to blame but I suspect there are lot of bullshit classes keeping high paid professors employed, there is too much emphasis on image and variety. Who is learning anything valuable going forward these days? Even if they were just liberal bastions, at least get rid of the B.S. and prepare students for decent jobs. It’s just an another wing of bloated government, a curse we cannot cure.

I do not think any student is entitled to sports or band scholarships. We cannot afford the luxury. If these students are paying 25,000 – 50,000 a year to be in college then they can pay $5,000 more to play sports if it’s their fancy. For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports. These sports lose tons of money then the colleges go to their legislatures needing greater funds year after year to run their self-serving monoliths.

Considering the number of professions that require college, you might want to rethink the idea that it is a waste. If the student decides to major in basket weaving, or women's studies, or whatever, that is their fault.

I would love to see any link backing your claim of " For every student who gets such an enriched life’s experience from being in sports, there are 20 who fail worse on their academics as a result of dedicating enormous amounts of hours to these sports". Because the Univ of Alabama football team has a graduation rate of 86%. Here’s College Football’s Top 25, In Order Of Graduation Rate

 

[Unkotare]

It should be noted that the great majority of NCAA athletes - even Div.1 - are not on scholarship. They dedicate themselves to hard work, sacrifice, teamwork, perseverance, and commitment in pursuit of excellence. All positive things to instill in a young person. These athletes are often much better at time management than their fellow students who waste countless hours playing video games, getting stoned, or using their crayons to make protest signs about 'safe spaces.' These students employ an indomitable work ethic and embody real school pride. These qualities and habits of character translate very positively (in the great majority of cases) to work, life, family, and country. The bitter, frustrated little Poindexters who never outgrew adolescent resentment often reveal their true colors in threads on this topic.

 

[WinterBorn]

Oh, and one more tidbit in favor of college athletics. The city of Tuscaloosa sees roughly $18.5 million impact for every home football game. That money is the lifeblood of some businesses. And those businesses hire college students. You know, the ones who don't get stuff lavished on them.