3 teens steal 50 guns from gun store, at least one used in murder....democrat party judge lets them off.

[JoeB131]

there is plenty of help out there for people if they want it.

And death impacts everyone so really it's no different than a person dying in any other way

Except being totally unncessary...um, yeah.

Unfortunately, helping suicidal people does not stop violent people from attacking others...who still need their guns for self defense.

A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.

But you're too much of an idiot to understand such a basic concept. If some of these murderous violent people come to your home one night, I hope you are unarmed and offer them crumpets and tea as a peace gesture. Or perhaps you can hand them a biz card to a local counselor.

Again, we live in a violent society, it's because we haven't addressed the issues of poverty, racism, mental illness, addiction and gun proliferation.

Hiding in our homes clinging to our guns and our bibles isn't going to fix that.

 

[JoeB131]

The idiot keeps stating how much gun violence there is in the USA compared to other G7 countries.

Here's a thought.....I can guarantee that if Democrats were never in power again, America would be THE SAFEST and LEAST VIOLENT country on Earth.

You see, ALL the carnage is a direct result of Leftist policies which encourage death and mayhem.

That's kind of retarded.

The reason why the other G7 nations are so safe is because they follow what the Democrats would want.

They don't let everyone have a gun, because that would be stupid.
They have programs to deal with mental illness and addiction.
They have poverty relief programs
They don't have our racial history... true, some of them (like Japan) are mono-cultures, but even then, France and England have lots of minorities, but not the history of racism we have.

 

[Blues Man]

Unfortunately, helping suicidal people does not stop violent people from attacking others...who still need their guns for self defense.

But you're too much of an idiot to understand such a basic concept. If some of these murderous violent people come to your home one night, I hope you are unarmed and offer them crumpets and tea as a peace gesture.

Except being totally unncessary...um, yeah.



A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.



Again, we live in a violent society, it's because we haven't addressed the issues of poverty, racism, mental illness, addiction and gun proliferation.

Hiding in our homes clinging to our guns and our bibles isn't going to fix that.

It matters not if you think another person's actions are necessary or not. Dying in a car crash is completely unnecessary too but people make bad choices all the time and suicide doesn't involve the death or injury to others that driving like a fucking idiot does.

And that 43 times bullshit has been debunked so you just sound stupid when you keep saying it.

And we don't live in a violent country. We live in a country with just a handful of ultra violent areas that skew the numbers for the entire country. We know where these places are, we know who is committing the violence and we choose to do nothing about it.

 

[JoeB131]

It matters not if you think another person's actions are necessary or not. Dying in a car crash is completely unnecessary too but people make bad choices all the time and suicide doesn't involve the death or injury to others that driving like a fucking idiot does.

Hey, guy, I'd be happy if we enforced gun safety the way we enforce road safety. Instead of having only a few hundred ATF agents working on the problem, we have hundreds of thousands of cops out there...

So let's treat guns like cars. Licenses, testing, mandatory insurance, police to monitor what you are doing with them.... I'm all for it.

(Waiting for the inevitable whine of "THE FOUNDING FATHERS SAID I CAN HAVE A GUN!!!" )

Now, here's the thing. The Auto Industry actually makes great strides to make cars safer every year.

Meanwhile, the gun industry seem hell-bent on putting even more dangerous guns out there. if the Auto industry acted like gun industry, your evening commute would look like a Mad Max movie.

And that 43 times bullshit has been debunked so you just sound stupid when you keep saying it.

It's never been debunked. Debunking doesn't consist of "I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TRUE!!!"

If anything, I think that Kellerman was probably conservative. We already know that most of our 39,000 gun deaths are suicides and domestic violence, but self-defense homicides for non-police are pretty fucking rare. (as for the 1000 police involved homicides, you literally have to tape a cop shooting someone in the back lying on the ground to get anyone held accountable.)

And we don't live in a violent country. We live in a country with just a handful of ultra violent areas that skew the numbers for the entire country. We know where these places are, we know who is committing the violence and we choose to do nothing about it.

We live in a violent country because the Gun Industry floods our streets with guns. The "ultra violent" areas are the places where PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE.

 

[M14 Shooter]

And we don't live in a violent country. We live in a country with just a handful of ultra violent areas that skew the numbers for the entire country.

If look, you'll see the counties with the highest violent crime rates are the same coutied that vote most heavily foe Democrats.

 

[jasonnfree]

Republicans are kinda weird. They're all out for for fire arms ownership, not giving a damn for the thousands of innocents that suffer because of it. Yet they go to great lengths to make it harder and harder for certain people (mostly Blacks), to vote. The republican party is more and more becoming a party of the 19th century.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/

 

[2aguy]

Not when they are bad choices that impact everyone else, no.

Suicidal people need help, not guns.

They don't need trains, tall buildings, prescribed drugs, rope, or plastic bags....all tools that people intent on suicide use to commit suicide....and in Japan, they commit suicide at higher rates than we do....as you saw in the list of countries by suicide....20 other countries also have higher suicide rates than we do and they have strict gun control...

Guns aren't the issue, you simple minded moron....

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide

There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.


Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).
Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)
Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.
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Suicide rates: An overview

Methods of suicide vary by sex and age​

Over the past ten years, the most common method of suicide in Canada has been hanging (44%), which includes strangulation and suffocation; followed by poisoning (25%) and firearm use (16%).
Males were most likely to commit suicide by hanging (46%) while females most often died by poisoning (42%) (Chart 2). Males (20%) were far more likely to use firearms than females (3%).

 

[2aguy]

Republicans are kinda weird. They're all out for for fire arms ownership, not giving a damn for the thousands of innocents that suffer because of it. Yet they go to great lengths to make it harder and harder for certain people (mostly Blacks), to vote. The republican party is more and more becoming a party of the 19th century.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/

Are you dumb too?

Blacks want better election laws and voter I.D.......do they vote Republican? You doofus...

New polling shows that a large majority supports voter ID laws that require individuals to show a photo identification before voting, including almost 70% of black voters.

The poll, released on Wednesday by Rasmussen Reports , found that 75% believe photo identification should be presented before voting and that 69% of black voters support voter ID laws.

Poll: Sixty-nine percent of black voters and 75% overall support voter ID laws - Washington Examiner

New polling shows that a large majority supports voter ID laws that require individuals to show a photo identification before voting, including almost 70% of black voters. The poll, released on Wednesday by Rasmussen Reports, found that 75% believe photo identification should be presented before...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[2aguy]

Point is, they had a lower rate.



The Japanese don't have a higher suicide rate and they have a society where Suicide is considered honorable.

We have a higher rate because we have too many guns in the hands of people who plain old shouldn't have them.

I've talked about my neighbor who committed suicide. Someone should have taken away his gun the first time he did a dry run and shot out his patio window, sending a bullet across the common area. The cops came by, he lied to them that someone shot at him, which was clearly disproven by the glass being OUTSIDE the unit. But they didn't take his gun. The just wrote him a citation.

A couple months later he finished the job.

Moron.....I linked to several years of data showing that not only Japan, but 20 other countries with strict gun control have higher rates of suicide than we do........you idiot.

 

[2aguy]

Except being totally unncessary...um, yeah.



A gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy.



Again, we live in a violent society, it's because we haven't addressed the issues of poverty, racism, mental illness, addiction and gun proliferation.

Hiding in our homes clinging to our guns and our bibles isn't going to fix that.

Kellerman, again?

You have been shown over and over that not only did Kellerman pull that research, he also stated he wanted his wife to have a gun in their home....you doofus..

Kellerman who did the study that came up with the 43 times more likely myth, was forced to retract that study and to do the research over when other academics pointed out how flawed his methods were....he then changed the 43 times number to 2.7, but he was still using flawed data to get even that number.....

Below is the study where he changed the number from 43 to 2.7 and below that is the explanation as to why that number isn't even accurate.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506

After controlling for these characteristics, we found that keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7;

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https://crimeresearch.org/wp-conten...ack-of-Public-Health-Research-on-Firearms.pdf

3. The Incredibly Flawed Public Health Research Guns in the Home At a town hall at George Mason University in January 2016, President Obama said, “If you look at the statistics, there's no doubt that there are times where somebody who has a weapon has been able to protect themselves and scare off an intruder or an assailant, but what is more often the case is that they may not have been able to protect themselves, but they end up being the victim of the weapon that they purchased themselves.”25 The primary proponents of this claim are Arthur Kellermann and his many coauthors. A gun, they have argued, is less likely to be used in killing a criminal than it is to be used in killing someone the gun owner knows. In one of the most well-known public health studies on firearms, Kellermann’s “case sample” consists of 444 homicides that occurred in homes. His control group had 388 individuals who lived near the deceased victims and were of the same sex, race, and age range. After learning about the homicide victims and control subjects—whether they owned a gun, had a drug or alcohol problem, etc.—these authors attempted to see if the probability of a homicide correlated with gun ownership. Amazingly these studies assume that if someone died from a gun shot, and a gun was owned in the home, that it was the gun in the home that killed that person. The paper is clearly misleading, as it fails to report that in only 8 of these 444 homicide cases was the gun that had been kept in the home the murder weapon. Moreover, the number of criminals stopped with a gun is much higher than the number killed in defensive gun uses. In fact, the attacker is killed in fewer than 1 out of every 1,000 defensive gun uses. Fix either of these data errors and the results are reversed. To demonstrate, suppose that we use the same statistical method—with a matching control group—to do a study on the efficacy of hospital care. Assume that we collect data just as these authors did, compiling a list of all the people who died in a particular county over the period of a year. Then we ask their relatives whether they had been admitted to the hospital during the previous year. We also put together a control sample consisting of neighbors who are part of the same sex, race, and age group. Then we ask these men and women whether they have been in a hospital during the past year. My bet is that those who spent time in hospitals are much more likely to have died.


Nine Myths Of Gun Control

Myth #6 "A homeowner is 43 times as likely to be killed or kill a family member as an intruder"

To suggest that science has proven that defending oneself or one's family with a gun is dangerous, gun prohibitionists repeat Dr. Kellermann's long discredited claim: "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder." [17] This fallacy , fabricated using tax dollars, is one of the most misused slogans of the anti-self-defense lobby.

The honest measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved, and the property protected not Kellermann's burglar or rapist body count.

Only 0.1% (1 in a thousand) of the defensive uses of guns results in the death of the predator. [3]

Any study, such as Kellermann' "43 times" fallacy, that only counts bodies will expectedly underestimate the benefits of gun a thousand fold.

Think for a minute. Would anyone suggest that the only measure of the benefit of law enforcement is the number of people killed by police? Of course not. The honest measure of the benefits of guns are the lives saved, the injuries prevented, the medical costs saved by deaths and injuries averted, and the property protected. 65 lives protected by guns for every life lost to a gun. [2]

Kellermann recently downgraded his estimate to "2.7 times," [18] but he persisted in discredited methodology. He used a method that cannot distinguish between "cause" and "effect." His method would be like finding more diet drinks in the refrigerators of fat people and then concluding that diet drinks "cause" obesity.


Also, he studied groups with high rates of violent criminality, alcoholism, drug addiction, abject poverty, and domestic abuse .


From such a poor and violent study group he attempted to generalize his findings to normal homes

Interestingly, when Dr. Kellermann was interviewed he stated that, if his wife were attacked, he would want her to have a gun for protection.[19] Apparently, Dr. Kellermann doesn't even believe his own studies.


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Public Health and Gun Control: A Review



Since at least the mid-1980s, Dr. Kellermann (and associates), whose work had been heavily-funded by the CDC, published a series of studies purporting to show that persons who keep guns in the home are more likely to be victims of homicide than those who don¹t.

In a 1986 NEJM paper, Dr. Kellermann and associates, for example, claimed their "scientific research" proved that defending oneself or one¹s family with a firearm in the home is dangerous and counter productive, claiming "a gun owner is 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder."8

In a critical review and now classic article published in the March 1994 issue of the Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia (JMAG), Dr. Edgar Suter, Chairman of Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research (DIPR), found evidence of "methodologic and conceptual errors," such as prejudicially truncated data and the listing of "the correct methodology which was described but never used by the authors."5

Moreover, the gun control researchers failed to consider and underestimated the protective benefits of guns.

Dr. Suter writes: "The true measure of the protective benefits of guns are the lives and medical costs saved, the injuries prevented, and the property protected ‹ not the burglar or rapist body count.

Since only 0.1 - 0.2 percent of defensive uses of guns involve the death of the criminal, any study, such as this, that counts criminal deaths as the only measure of the protective benefits of guns will expectedly underestimate the benefits of firearms by a factor of 500 to 1,000."5

In 1993, in his landmark and much cited NEJM article (and the research, again, heavily funded by the CDC), Dr. Kellermann attempted to show again that guns in the home are a greater risk to the victims than to the assailants.4 Despite valid criticisms by reputable scholars of his previous works (including the 1986 study), Dr. Kellermann ignored the criticisms and again used the same methodology.

He also used study populations with disproportionately high rates of serious psychosocial dysfunction from three selected state counties, known to be unrepresentative of the general U.S. population.

For example,

53 percent of the case subjects had a history of a household member being arrested,

31 percent had a household history of illicit drug use, 32 percent had a household member hit or hurt in a family fight, and

17 percent had a family member hurt so seriously in a domestic altercation that prompt medical attention was required.
Moreover, both the case studies and control groups in this analysis had a very high incidence of financial instability.

In fact, in this study, gun ownership, the supposedly high risk factor for homicide was not one of the most strongly associated factors for being murdered.

Drinking, illicit drugs, living alone, history of family violence, living in a rented home were all greater individual risk factors for being murdered than a gun in the home. One must conclude there is no basis to apply the conclusions of this study to the general population.

All of these are factors that, as Dr. Suter pointed out, "would expectedly be associated with higher rates of violence and homicide."5

It goes without saying, the results of such a study on gun homicides, selecting this sort of unrepresentative population sample, nullify the authors' generalizations, and their preordained, conclusions can not be extrapolated to the general population.

Moreover, although the 1993 New England Journal of Medicine study purported to show that the homicide victims were killed with a gun ordinarily kept in the home, the fact is that as Kates and associates point out 71.1 percent of the victims were killed by assailants who did not live in the victims¹ household using guns presumably not kept in that home.6

 

[2aguy]

That's kind of retarded.

The reason why the other G7 nations are so safe is because they follow what the Democrats would want.

They don't let everyone have a gun, because that would be stupid.
They have programs to deal with mental illness and addiction.
They have poverty relief programs
They don't have our racial history... true, some of them (like Japan) are mono-cultures, but even then, France and England have lots of minorities, but not the history of racism we have.

We have nothing to learn from Europe or Japan....you idiot....

In the 1920s and 30s they registered and confiscated guns.....then, the German socialists murdered 12 million innocent...unarmed.....men, women and children.....with the governments of Europe handing over their own, unarmed people, for murder....

Japan murdered 3 million civilians.....and also conducted medical experiments on civilians and gave us the Rape of Nanking and other atrocities against unarmed populations.......

WW1, WW2, ethnic cleansing, the Holocaust.....Europe and Japan have nothing to teach us about safety....

 

[Blues Man]

Hey, guy, I'd be happy if we enforced gun safety the way we enforce road safety. Instead of having only a few hundred ATF agents working on the problem, we have hundreds of thousands of cops out there...

So let's treat guns like cars. Licenses, testing, mandatory insurance, police to monitor what you are doing with them.... I'm all for it.

(Waiting for the inevitable whine of "THE FOUNDING FATHERS SAID I CAN HAVE A GUN!!!" )

Now, here's the thing. The Auto Industry actually makes great strides to make cars safer every year.

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Meanwhile, the gun industry seem hell-bent on putting even more dangerous guns out there. if the Auto industry acted like gun industry, your evening commute would look like a Mad Max movie.

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It's never been debunked. Debunking doesn't consist of "I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TRUE!!!"

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If anything, I think that Kellerman was probably conservative. We already know that most of our 39,000 gun deaths are suicides and domestic violence, but self-defense homicides for non-police are pretty fucking rare. (as for the 1000 police involved homicides, you literally have to tape a cop shooting someone in the back lying on the ground to get anyone held accountable.)



We live in a violent country because the Gun Industry floods our streets with guns. The "ultra violent" areas are the places where PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE.

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Kellermann, et al, conclude (twice in the abstract and three times in the discussion) that “keeping a gun in the home was strongly and independently associated with an increased risk of homicide (adjusted odds ratio, 2.7; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.6 to 4.4).” In other words, if you keep a gun in your home, you are 2.7 times more likely to have someone killed in your home—by that gun, by a gun introduced into your home by someone else, or other any other means.

 

[2aguy]

Hey, guy, I'd be happy if we enforced gun safety the way we enforce road safety. Instead of having only a few hundred ATF agents working on the problem, we have hundreds of thousands of cops out there...

So let's treat guns like cars. Licenses, testing, mandatory insurance, police to monitor what you are doing with them.... I'm all for it.

(Waiting for the inevitable whine of "THE FOUNDING FATHERS SAID I CAN HAVE A GUN!!!" )

Now, here's the thing. The Auto Industry actually makes great strides to make cars safer every year.

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Meanwhile, the gun industry seem hell-bent on putting even more dangerous guns out there. if the Auto industry acted like gun industry, your evening commute would look like a Mad Max movie.

View attachment 541307





It's never been debunked. Debunking doesn't consist of "I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TRUE!!!"

View attachment 541305

If anything, I think that Kellerman was probably conservative. We already know that most of our 39,000 gun deaths are suicides and domestic violence, but self-defense homicides for non-police are pretty fucking rare. (as for the 1000 police involved homicides, you literally have to tape a cop shooting someone in the back lying on the ground to get anyone held accountable.)



We live in a violent country because the Gun Industry floods our streets with guns. The "ultra violent" areas are the places where PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE.

Moron, it isn't gun makers killing people....it is the democrat party...

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas. These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/

 

[Auld Phart]

83% of homicides are committed by people who know each other. Yes, it's "average" people who never should have had a gun to start with.



Naw, I don't want the gun makers to go to prison. I do want them to pay the families of victims of people like Joker Holmes and Adam Lanza.

Then they won't be so keen on selling guns to people like that.



Joker Holmes was able to buy a gun. It's not hard enough to get a gun.

I do want them to pay the families of victims of people like Joker Holmes and Adam Lanza.

and car manufacturers and bar tenders/owners for people drunk drivers?

Teachers for not passing students?

Where does your stupidity stop, joe?

 

[Auld Phart]

Maybe Republican gun store owners should secure their merchandise. Actually, I`d bet it`s mostly Republican vehicle owners that leave their guns in their vehicles overnight for someone to steal.

Actually, I`d bet it`s mostly Republican vehicle owners that leave their guns in their vehicles overnight for someone to steal.

spoken like a true partisan moron.

 

[JoeB131]

They don't need trains, tall buildings, prescribed drugs, rope, or plastic bags....all tools that people intent on suicide use to commit suicide....and in Japan, they commit suicide at higher rates than we do....as you saw in the list of countries by suicide....20 other countries also have higher suicide rates than we do and they have strict gun control...

Uh, no, we have the highest in the G7 right now. Other countries aren't comparable.

Kellerman, again?

You have been shown over and over that not only did Kellerman pull that research, he also stated he wanted his wife to have a gun in their home....you doofus..

Kellerman said nothing of the sort.

Below is the study where he changed the number from 43 to 2.7 and below that is the explanation as to why that number isn't even accurate.

Actually, that only limits to HOMICIDE. If you include suicides and accidents, then you get the 43-1 number...

I've known one lady who had to bury her teenage son after he took his life with the gun her husband bought for "protection". It destroyed their marriage and family.

Fuck off.

 

[Auld Phart]

Hey, guy, I'd be happy if we enforced gun safety the way we enforce road safety. Instead of having only a few hundred ATF agents working on the problem, we have hundreds of thousands of cops out there...

So let's treat guns like cars. Licenses, testing, mandatory insurance, police to monitor what you are doing with them.... I'm all for it.

(Waiting for the inevitable whine of "THE FOUNDING FATHERS SAID I CAN HAVE A GUN!!!" )

Now, here's the thing. The Auto Industry actually makes great strides to make cars safer every year.

View attachment 541306

Meanwhile, the gun industry seem hell-bent on putting even more dangerous guns out there. if the Auto industry acted like gun industry, your evening commute would look like a Mad Max movie.

View attachment 541307





It's never been debunked. Debunking doesn't consist of "I DON'T WANT IT TO BE TRUE!!!"

View attachment 541305

If anything, I think that Kellerman was probably conservative. We already know that most of our 39,000 gun deaths are suicides and domestic violence, but self-defense homicides for non-police are pretty fucking rare. (as for the 1000 police involved homicides, you literally have to tape a cop shooting someone in the back lying on the ground to get anyone held accountable.)



We live in a violent country because the Gun Industry floods our streets with guns. The "ultra violent" areas are the places where PEOPLE ACTUALLY LIVE.

The Auto Industry actually makes great strides to make cars safer every year.

and yet they can do nothing about the nut loose behind the wheel.

Which is the cause of many accidents.

The firearm industry also can do little about the nut with the firearm.

yet you want to sue them when that nut uses a perfectly safe weapon.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Republicans are kinda weird. They're all out for for fire arms ownership, not giving a damn for the thousands of innocents that suffer because of it.

^^^
A lie.

Yet they go to great lengths to make it harder and harder for certain people (mostly Blacks), to vote.

^^^
Also a lie

The republican party is more and more becoming a party of the 19th century.

^^^
3rd lie, in one post.
Well done.

 

[2aguy]

Uh, no, we have the highest in the G7 right now. Other countries aren't comparable.




Kellerman said nothing of the sort.




Actually, that only limits to HOMICIDE. If you include suicides and accidents, then you get the 43-1 number...

I've known one lady who had to bury her teenage son after he took his life with the gun her husband bought for "protection". It destroyed their marriage and family.

Fuck off.

No...2019.....the only year.....you lying crap hole.....

I cited Kellerman's revised study.......you keep throwing out a fake number.

 

[JoeB131]

and yet they can do nothing about the nut loose behind the wheel.

Which is the cause of many accidents.

The firearm industry also can do little about the nut with the firearm.

yet you want to sue them when that nut uses a perfectly safe weapon.

There's no such thing as a "safe" weapon. Weapons are designed to kill people. That's why they are called "weapons".

The problem with the gun industry is that it markets specifically to the nuts. They realize the nuts are going to buy more guns and more bullets, as opposed to Dick Tiny's imaginary "normal" gun owner, who maybe bought one gun, stuck it in his closet and forgot about it.

That's when they aren't making it easier for criminals to get guns, so that they create enough fear where some dip thinks that a gun will make him "safer', and OH MY GOD, KELLERMAN just blew the whistle on that lie, let's stop the CDC from studying the issue.