30 Democrats In Puerto Rico With 109 Lobbyists For Weekend Despite Shutdown

[Ray From Cleveland]

What’s wrong with a wall? For one, it would work fantastic, but two, a wall is there to stay. If Democrats ever get power again, they won’t be able to remove the wall.


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I just watched a news report where they showed THREE tunnels going under existing border wall.

Three.

They could spend the money on, oh, I don't know, things Republicans know nothing about.

Things like:

training

more border agents

equipment

drones

weapons

body armor

Instead, they want to spend billions on a pile of rocks because Republicans think rocks are "hi tech".

As a person that came from a construction family, I can tell you those tunnels take months to years to build, depending on how articulate they are. El Chapo spent a million dollars just on one tunnel.

But I would rather them waste time on tunnels than just bringing drugs or people over in a few minutes each pass. And like the border patrol agents say, they are eventually found.

You do't know what you are talking about. 36" and larger pipelines are regularly drilled under rivers all across the country and have been for quite a while.
https://www.fws.gov/midwest/endange...e/2013noa/pdf/nisourcehcpfinalappndxj_hdd.pdf

While I'm sure you didn't frantically run around the internet to find something to counter my claim, and actually read all 50 pages of this PDF file, I might ask, what does that have to do with my comment?

An underground crossing, especially for drugs, can be done in a few weeks. Far from the months or years you claim. If it is eventually found, millions of dollars worth of drugs have already been transported through it.

Obviously you know little about construction. Openly digging a trench for 3’ pipes is different than digging a tunnel capable of transporting people and drugs across a far distance. You need to shore up supports so the thing doesn’t collapse on you. You need to install electrical to operate lights, equipment and ventilation. You have to dig the tunnel quietly and without being obvious which eliminates most larger million dollar construction equipment. It’s a completely bad comparison.


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[Ray From Cleveland]

What’s wrong with a wall? For one, it would work fantastic, but two, a wall is there to stay. If Democrats ever get power again, they won’t be able to remove the wall.


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I just watched a news report where they showed THREE tunnels going under existing border wall.

Three.

They could spend the money on, oh, I don't know, things Republicans know nothing about.

Things like:

training

more border agents

equipment

drones

weapons

body armor

Instead, they want to spend billions on a pile of rocks because Republicans think rocks are "hi tech".

As a person that came from a construction family, I can tell you those tunnels take months to years to build, depending on how articulate they are. El Chapo spent a million dollars just on one tunnel.

But I would rather them waste time on tunnels than just bringing drugs or people over in a few minutes each pass. And like the border patrol agents say, they are eventually found.

You DO realize that after those tunnels are built, that drugs and people can come over in a few minutes on each pass, only this time they are unable to be detected?

And................the BP agents said that the only way they find a tunnel is if they accidentally stumble on them, or they get solid human intelligence on where they are at.

And so how do more drones, agents, weapons, equipment stop any of this?

In 2017, we apprehended over 310,000 border crossers. The wall will help stop people just like that.

Border crossings are at the lowest number in decades.

And your point is?


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[Ray From Cleveland]

Why would a wall be "useless"? The reason Democrats don't want a wall is that it WILL keep people from crossing the border that they want as future Democratic voters. If the wall really were useless then they'd be voting for it.

Are you against citizens voting any way they choose?

Not at all...what I AM against is flooding the entire country with illegals simply because you think they'll vote for you.

Are you against entitlements? Because if you aren't then you have to face the cold hard truth that you can't have open borders and an entitlement society because you can't pay for it. So which do you want most, Bulldog? The cradle to the grave land of entitlements that you on the left continually seek or the votes to keep liberal Democrats in power? You can't have both and trying to do so will destroy this nation.

Illegals don't vote dumb ass. I don't care what Hannity told you.

I didn't say they have voted...I'm staying that Democrats are counting on their votes in the future which is why they don't want a secure border now.

So you didn't answer my question...do you want a porous border or do you want lots of entitlements?

After the long process of becoming a citizen, They are citizens in every aspect of the word, and are entitled to decide who to vote for just like every other citizen. If your party doesn't support what our voters want, you don't deserve to be elected. You don't get extra points just because you were here first. Entitlements and citizenship are totally different things.

Okay. So what’s stopping the Democrats from granting blanket citizenship to all 20 million (or more) of our illegals if they ever get total control over the federal government again?

More than that, the Democrats benefit by our Census counting these people as if they are citizens giving them an advantage when it comes to the amount of representatives in the House.


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[Oldstyle]

Why would a wall be "useless"? The reason Democrats don't want a wall is that it WILL keep people from crossing the border that they want as future Democratic voters. If the wall really were useless then they'd be voting for it.

Are you against citizens voting any way they choose?

Not at all...what I AM against is flooding the entire country with illegals simply because you think they'll vote for you.

Are you against entitlements? Because if you aren't then you have to face the cold hard truth that you can't have open borders and an entitlement society because you can't pay for it. So which do you want most, Bulldog? The cradle to the grave land of entitlements that you on the left continually seek or the votes to keep liberal Democrats in power? You can't have both and trying to do so will destroy this nation.

Illegals don't vote dumb ass. I don't care what Hannity told you.

I didn't say they have voted...I'm staying that Democrats are counting on their votes in the future which is why they don't want a secure border now.

So you didn't answer my question...do you want a porous border or do you want lots of entitlements?

After the long process of becoming a citizen, They are citizens in every aspect of the word, and are entitled to decide who to vote for just like every other citizen. If your party doesn't support what our voters want, you don't deserve to be elected. You don't get extra points just because you were here first. Entitlements and citizenship are totally different things.

Once again...you ducked the question...do you want a porous border that allows people to easily enter the US...or do you want lots of entitlements? I think the reason you don't want to answer that question, Bulldog is that you know that you can't PAY for entitlements if you let everyone in!

 

[Oldstyle]

From the Quinnipiac poll:

An overwhelming majority of U.S. voters believe that security along the southern border is a problem, with 48 percent saying that it’s a “serious problem” and 38 percent saying it’s a “minor problem.” Only 14 percent said that border security is “not even a small priority,” the Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll survey found.

Of course security at the southern border is a concern. That doesn't mean a wall is a good idea. There are lots better ways to deal with the problem than a dumb assed wall. Just because 48% say it is a problem doesn't mean 48% want a wall.

You don't believe that a wall is a good first step to establishing a secure border? Please tell me what the good first step should be.

More border patrol agents, drones, more judges to deal with refugees, lots of ways that work to deal with the situation.

So are you liberals ready to put more border patrol agents on the border? I don't think you are, Bulldog because I don't think you really want to secure the border.

There you go trying to think again I just said more border patrol agents would be a good thing. Try to keep up.

So you DON'T want more border agents on the border? Typical liberal. You say you don't want a wall and that more border agents would work...but then say oh no...I'm not really in favor of that either! Admit it, Bulldog...you don't WANT a secure border!

 

[Rambunctious]

So? Until Trump’s tantrum is over there’s no point to staying in D.C

Its not Trump's tantrum....its the American peoples tantrum...we want the border secure like they promised after 9-11....build the wall....

The American people do not see a wall as a necessity for border security.

Yes they do...the media doesn't but the people do...and so did Schumer....he voted for miles of wall that they never delivered on....Obama supported a wall....The Clinton's both supported building a wall....don't swallow the CNN lies....the people want a wall and so would CNN if Obama ordered it...see how you are being played?....
The media has convinced you that over crowded schools of non English speaking children...wait times in the emergency room drunk driving deaths drug over doses and random shootings and not knowing who is coming into our nation is a good thing....and you don't even question that....

 

[Rambunctious]

The dems are on thin ice....the people are behind Trump and the polling must show it...that's why we are not seeing the butt hurt media's polls....

You are hitting the bottle early. Name a poll in which voters blame Democrats.

The 2016 election.....and the 2020 election to come....

 

[BULLDOG]

I just watched a news report where they showed THREE tunnels going under existing border wall.

Three.

They could spend the money on, oh, I don't know, things Republicans know nothing about.

Things like:

training

more border agents

equipment

drones

weapons

body armor

Instead, they want to spend billions on a pile of rocks because Republicans think rocks are "hi tech".

As a person that came from a construction family, I can tell you those tunnels take months to years to build, depending on how articulate they are. El Chapo spent a million dollars just on one tunnel.

But I would rather them waste time on tunnels than just bringing drugs or people over in a few minutes each pass. And like the border patrol agents say, they are eventually found.

You do't know what you are talking about. 36" and larger pipelines are regularly drilled under rivers all across the country and have been for quite a while.
https://www.fws.gov/midwest/endange...e/2013noa/pdf/nisourcehcpfinalappndxj_hdd.pdf

While I'm sure you didn't frantically run around the internet to find something to counter my claim, and actually read all 50 pages of this PDF file, I might ask, what does that have to do with my comment?

An underground crossing, especially for drugs, can be done in a few weeks. Far from the months or years you claim. If it is eventually found, millions of dollars worth of drugs have already been transported through it.

Obviously you know little about construction. Openly digging a trench for 3’ pipes is different than digging a tunnel capable of transporting people and drugs across a far distance. You need to shore up supports so the thing doesn’t collapse on you. You need to install electrical to operate lights, equipment and ventilation. You have to dig the tunnel quietly and without being obvious which eliminates most larger million dollar construction equipment. It’s a completely bad comparison.


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No dumb ass.

 

[BULLDOG]

I just watched a news report where they showed THREE tunnels going under existing border wall.

Three.

They could spend the money on, oh, I don't know, things Republicans know nothing about.

Things like:

training

more border agents

equipment

drones

weapons

body armor

Instead, they want to spend billions on a pile of rocks because Republicans think rocks are "hi tech".

As a person that came from a construction family, I can tell you those tunnels take months to years to build, depending on how articulate they are. El Chapo spent a million dollars just on one tunnel.

But I would rather them waste time on tunnels than just bringing drugs or people over in a few minutes each pass. And like the border patrol agents say, they are eventually found.

You DO realize that after those tunnels are built, that drugs and people can come over in a few minutes on each pass, only this time they are unable to be detected?

And................the BP agents said that the only way they find a tunnel is if they accidentally stumble on them, or they get solid human intelligence on where they are at.

And so how do more drones, agents, weapons, equipment stop any of this?

In 2017, we apprehended over 310,000 border crossers. The wall will help stop people just like that.

Border crossings are at the lowest number in decades.

And your point is?


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The entire thing is a manufactured problem.

 

[BULLDOG]

Are you against citizens voting any way they choose?

Not at all...what I AM against is flooding the entire country with illegals simply because you think they'll vote for you.

Are you against entitlements? Because if you aren't then you have to face the cold hard truth that you can't have open borders and an entitlement society because you can't pay for it. So which do you want most, Bulldog? The cradle to the grave land of entitlements that you on the left continually seek or the votes to keep liberal Democrats in power? You can't have both and trying to do so will destroy this nation.

Illegals don't vote dumb ass. I don't care what Hannity told you.

I didn't say they have voted...I'm staying that Democrats are counting on their votes in the future which is why they don't want a secure border now.

So you didn't answer my question...do you want a porous border or do you want lots of entitlements?

After the long process of becoming a citizen, They are citizens in every aspect of the word, and are entitled to decide who to vote for just like every other citizen. If your party doesn't support what our voters want, you don't deserve to be elected. You don't get extra points just because you were here first. Entitlements and citizenship are totally different things.

Okay. So what’s stopping the Democrats from granting blanket citizenship to all 20 million (or more) of our illegals if they ever get total control over the federal government again?

More than that, the Democrats benefit by our Census counting these people as if they are citizens giving them an advantage when it comes to the amount of representatives in the House.


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There is no desire by anybody to grant citizenship to all 20 million people.

 

[sartre play]

Think the deal is there down there doing a fund raiser for the victims of the disaster, anyone can you confirm this?

 

[BULLDOG]

Are you against citizens voting any way they choose?

Not at all...what I AM against is flooding the entire country with illegals simply because you think they'll vote for you.

Are you against entitlements? Because if you aren't then you have to face the cold hard truth that you can't have open borders and an entitlement society because you can't pay for it. So which do you want most, Bulldog? The cradle to the grave land of entitlements that you on the left continually seek or the votes to keep liberal Democrats in power? You can't have both and trying to do so will destroy this nation.

Illegals don't vote dumb ass. I don't care what Hannity told you.

I didn't say they have voted...I'm staying that Democrats are counting on their votes in the future which is why they don't want a secure border now.

So you didn't answer my question...do you want a porous border or do you want lots of entitlements?

After the long process of becoming a citizen, They are citizens in every aspect of the word, and are entitled to decide who to vote for just like every other citizen. If your party doesn't support what our voters want, you don't deserve to be elected. You don't get extra points just because you were here first. Entitlements and citizenship are totally different things.

Once again...you ducked the question...do you want a porous border that allows people to easily enter the US...or do you want lots of entitlements? I think the reason you don't want to answer that question, Bulldog is that you know that you can't PAY for entitlements if you let everyone in!

That is a false choice. You assume immigrants won't become productive tax payers. If you doubt their willingness to work, you should drive past the Home Depot parking lot some morning.

 

[BULLDOG]

Of course security at the southern border is a concern. That doesn't mean a wall is a good idea. There are lots better ways to deal with the problem than a dumb assed wall. Just because 48% say it is a problem doesn't mean 48% want a wall.

You don't believe that a wall is a good first step to establishing a secure border? Please tell me what the good first step should be.

More border patrol agents, drones, more judges to deal with refugees, lots of ways that work to deal with the situation.

So are you liberals ready to put more border patrol agents on the border? I don't think you are, Bulldog because I don't think you really want to secure the border.

There you go trying to think again I just said more border patrol agents would be a good thing. Try to keep up.

So you DON'T want more border agents on the border? Typical liberal. You say you don't want a wall and that more border agents would work...but then say oh no...I'm not really in favor of that either! Admit it, Bulldog...you don't WANT a secure border!

Are you retarded? Where did I say I didn't want more border patrol agents?

 

[22lcidw]

Not at all...what I AM against is flooding the entire country with illegals simply because you think they'll vote for you.

Are you against entitlements? Because if you aren't then you have to face the cold hard truth that you can't have open borders and an entitlement society because you can't pay for it. So which do you want most, Bulldog? The cradle to the grave land of entitlements that you on the left continually seek or the votes to keep liberal Democrats in power? You can't have both and trying to do so will destroy this nation.

Illegals don't vote dumb ass. I don't care what Hannity told you.

I didn't say they have voted...I'm staying that Democrats are counting on their votes in the future which is why they don't want a secure border now.

So you didn't answer my question...do you want a porous border or do you want lots of entitlements?

After the long process of becoming a citizen, They are citizens in every aspect of the word, and are entitled to decide who to vote for just like every other citizen. If your party doesn't support what our voters want, you don't deserve to be elected. You don't get extra points just because you were here first. Entitlements and citizenship are totally different things.

Okay. So what’s stopping the Democrats from granting blanket citizenship to all 20 million (or more) of our illegals if they ever get total control over the federal government again?

More than that, the Democrats benefit by our Census counting these people as if they are citizens giving them an advantage when it comes to the amount of representatives in the House.


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There is no desire by anybody to grant citizenship to all 20 million people.

Bullchitt! Now go riot for beastiaity rights!...Go...Go...Go...We can only warn. And many of the people you hate agree with dignity of others. Just not stupidity run amok.

 

[BULLDOG]

Illegals don't vote dumb ass. I don't care what Hannity told you.

I didn't say they have voted...I'm staying that Democrats are counting on their votes in the future which is why they don't want a secure border now.

So you didn't answer my question...do you want a porous border or do you want lots of entitlements?

After the long process of becoming a citizen, They are citizens in every aspect of the word, and are entitled to decide who to vote for just like every other citizen. If your party doesn't support what our voters want, you don't deserve to be elected. You don't get extra points just because you were here first. Entitlements and citizenship are totally different things.

Okay. So what’s stopping the Democrats from granting blanket citizenship to all 20 million (or more) of our illegals if they ever get total control over the federal government again?

More than that, the Democrats benefit by our Census counting these people as if they are citizens giving them an advantage when it comes to the amount of representatives in the House.


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There is no desire by anybody to grant citizenship to all 20 million people.

Bullchitt! Now go riot for beastiaity rights!...Go...Go...Go...We can only warn. And many of the people you hate agree with dignity of others. Just not stupidity run amok.

Are you having another spell?

 

[sartre play]

Wonder if Trump had said WE need 5 billion dollars for increased border security,& we will turn this money over to the experts in this field to figure the best way to use the money. instead of I want a wall that spans all of the Mexican border, because there coming to kill rape steal & load us up with dope, bad people very bad people. rational minds reject over kill.

 

[basquebromance]

If airport workers strike or stay home, airports shutdown and America cannot fly to greatness again. "TSA acknowledges financial stress of shutdown is forcing growing number of officers to stay home"

 

[basquebromance]

go back to Puerto Rico, Democrats. GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY!

 

[Oldstyle]

You don't believe that a wall is a good first step to establishing a secure border? Please tell me what the good first step should be.

More border patrol agents, drones, more judges to deal with refugees, lots of ways that work to deal with the situation.

So are you liberals ready to put more border patrol agents on the border? I don't think you are, Bulldog because I don't think you really want to secure the border.

There you go trying to think again I just said more border patrol agents would be a good thing. Try to keep up.

So you DON'T want more border agents on the border? Typical liberal. You say you don't want a wall and that more border agents would work...but then say oh no...I'm not really in favor of that either! Admit it, Bulldog...you don't WANT a secure border!

Are you retarded? Where did I say I didn't want more border patrol agents?

"More border patrol agents, drones, more judges to deal with refugees, lots of ways that work to deal with the situation."
"There you go trying to think again I just said more border patrol agents would be a good thing. Try to keep up."

Make up your mind, Bulldog! First you claim that more border patrol agents would work to deal with the situation instead of a wall...then you turn around and claim that you never said that! So what is it? Can you even keep track of what your talking points are on this subject?

 

[Oldstyle]

Not at all...what I AM against is flooding the entire country with illegals simply because you think they'll vote for you.

Are you against entitlements? Because if you aren't then you have to face the cold hard truth that you can't have open borders and an entitlement society because you can't pay for it. So which do you want most, Bulldog? The cradle to the grave land of entitlements that you on the left continually seek or the votes to keep liberal Democrats in power? You can't have both and trying to do so will destroy this nation.

Illegals don't vote dumb ass. I don't care what Hannity told you.

I didn't say they have voted...I'm staying that Democrats are counting on their votes in the future which is why they don't want a secure border now.

So you didn't answer my question...do you want a porous border or do you want lots of entitlements?

After the long process of becoming a citizen, They are citizens in every aspect of the word, and are entitled to decide who to vote for just like every other citizen. If your party doesn't support what our voters want, you don't deserve to be elected. You don't get extra points just because you were here first. Entitlements and citizenship are totally different things.

Once again...you ducked the question...do you want a porous border that allows people to easily enter the US...or do you want lots of entitlements? I think the reason you don't want to answer that question, Bulldog is that you know that you can't PAY for entitlements if you let everyone in!

That is a false choice. You assume immigrants won't become productive tax payers. If you doubt their willingness to work, you should drive past the Home Depot parking lot some morning.

It's a matter of numbers, Bulldog. You keep pouring immigrants into an economy that can't support that number of jobs and two things happen...wages go down because there are more workers than there are jobs...and unemployment goes up because there are more workers than there are jobs. Either way the cost of that has to be absorbed by government in lower revenues from income taxes and in increased costs in entitlements. You on the left won't admit that because if you DID then you'd have to admit that you want those millions of immigrants not because it's good for our economy but because you see them as a means to power!