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Post after post complaining about me. All the way through this thread. You just can't stop.You said I was putting you on the defensive!!!!!Gawd, I'm good.
You say there is no straw man, then you say I feel threatened.There is no straw man. I am simply asking for clarification so we can continue this discussion.You are? What I see you doing is tossing out multiple straw man arguments, whining and trying to put me on the defensive.I am trying to have an honest dialogue here.
This is why I have given up trying to "debate" here, but you kept complaining so much I thought I'd show you some attention.
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Why do you feel threatened by me asking you to clarify in what way you see the left as being in agreement with militant Islam?And on this topic, I'm fascinated to find out why supposed "liberals" have chosen to align themselves with the most illiberal, authoritarian religion on the planet.
I'd love to talk about that, if you'd be willing to offer some ideas.
Same post.
You people literally can't help yourselves. Another example of my point.
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Why would feel that way if you didn't feel threatened?
Post after post complaining about me. All the way through this thread. You just can't stop.You said I was putting you on the defensive!!!!!Gawd, I'm good.
You say there is no straw man, then you say I feel threatened.There is no straw man. I am simply asking for clarification so we can continue this discussion.You are? What I see you doing is tossing out multiple straw man arguments, whining and trying to put me on the defensive.I am trying to have an honest dialogue here.
This is why I have given up trying to "debate" here, but you kept complaining so much I thought I'd show you some attention.
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Why do you feel threatened by me asking you to clarify in what way you see the left as being in agreement with militant Islam?And on this topic, I'm fascinated to find out why supposed "liberals" have chosen to align themselves with the most illiberal, authoritarian religion on the planet.
I'd love to talk about that, if you'd be willing to offer some ideas.
Same post.
You people literally can't help yourselves. Another example of my point.
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Why would feel that way if you didn't feel threatened?
I laid out my point in post 544. And I want to know why the Left behaves this way.
The thread is not about me. Address my point, or I'll just give up trying here.
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The Regressives have spent all their energy on this thread attacking the messenger(s).
Which only solidifies my opinions. All I have to do is sit back and watch.
Mac is locked into the third ideology--he can "see both sides" and therefore calls down curses on both sides while sitting on his high and mighty mountain in Switzerland, believing he is more evolved that the rest of us, who cannot see both sides. Apparently.
It's funny.
And now, here it comes from the Right.Being able to see both sides doesn't mean you can't have an opinion.I quote Maajid Nawaz regularly here. He is the liberal Muslim Brit who coined the term "Regressive Left", horrified by the way many on the Left make a bad situation worse by coddling the worst elements of Islam in the West. Mr. Nawaz can see both sides of this issue. I know being able to see both sides of an issue is not considered a good thing here.
He risks his life every day, pushing for reform of his beloved religion. He was assaulted, again, just the other day (I suspect he'll be attacked here, too - that's how they operate). Here's his take on the predictable madness that has followed the New Zealand attack.
The New Zealand Mosque Massacre Blame Game Is Out of Control
LONDON—The anti-Muslim terrorist attack at two mosques in New Zealand marked perhaps the lowest point for Muslim communities in the West since the Bosnia genocide. It has left no doubt that far-right extremism is on the march once more.
But the sheer human tragedy of this attack against my Muslim communities has not deterred extremists from those other two ends of our political spectrum, the far left and the theocratic Islamists, from seeking to exploit it for their own nefarious purposes.
So it is with no surprise that I noticed, a mere day after 50 of my fellow Muslims were so publicly and tragically killed, while the blood was still wet and the bodies remained unburied, that the ideologues had circled like vultures. Opportunistic Islamist and far-left extremists began calling for a purge of people whose politics they disagree with, and started publishing McCarthyite lists of personae non grata to target. Few have come under fiercer assault than my friend and collaborator in dialogue, Sam Harris. The following spectacle has been incredibly unedifying.
Of course, inflammatory anti-Muslim language must be condemned by us all, and many anti-Muslim provocateurs should take a hard look at themselves after New Zealand, just as we must condemn inflammatory Islamist and far-left language. That is different, though, from trying to silence an entire policy concern like Western foreign policy or opposing immigration and critiquing Islam respectively. Only the extremists wish to shut down debate. And so it is crucial that we do not respond to far-right extremism in such a way that we inadvertently empower extremists from other ends of the political spectrum. Terrorists prefer the bullet to the ballot. Let us not become pawns in their game.
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I don't like seeing anyone attacking innocent Muslims....but I also cannot handle the whining Muslims who feel they were personally attacked when they live 8000 miles away from the attack, and try to use this typically Islamic martyrdom complex to claim the right to attack others.
Mac is locked into the third ideology--he can "see both sides" and therefore calls down curses on both sides while sitting on his high and mighty mountain in Switzerland, believing he is more evolved that the rest of us, who cannot see both sides. Apparently.
It's funny.
I do love it when the first line of my sig is illustrated so vividly.
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You're very juvenile in your approach. You're like one of my first grade students who says to another "Don't look at me!" but as soon as someone does, just for speaking, says, "Made you look, made you look!!!"
This is repellent even to first graders, by the way.
And now, here it comes from the Right.Being able to see both sides doesn't mean you can't have an opinion.I quote Maajid Nawaz regularly here. He is the liberal Muslim Brit who coined the term "Regressive Left", horrified by the way many on the Left make a bad situation worse by coddling the worst elements of Islam in the West. Mr. Nawaz can see both sides of this issue. I know being able to see both sides of an issue is not considered a good thing here.
He risks his life every day, pushing for reform of his beloved religion. He was assaulted, again, just the other day (I suspect he'll be attacked here, too - that's how they operate). Here's his take on the predictable madness that has followed the New Zealand attack.
The New Zealand Mosque Massacre Blame Game Is Out of Control
LONDON—The anti-Muslim terrorist attack at two mosques in New Zealand marked perhaps the lowest point for Muslim communities in the West since the Bosnia genocide. It has left no doubt that far-right extremism is on the march once more.
But the sheer human tragedy of this attack against my Muslim communities has not deterred extremists from those other two ends of our political spectrum, the far left and the theocratic Islamists, from seeking to exploit it for their own nefarious purposes.
So it is with no surprise that I noticed, a mere day after 50 of my fellow Muslims were so publicly and tragically killed, while the blood was still wet and the bodies remained unburied, that the ideologues had circled like vultures. Opportunistic Islamist and far-left extremists began calling for a purge of people whose politics they disagree with, and started publishing McCarthyite lists of personae non grata to target. Few have come under fiercer assault than my friend and collaborator in dialogue, Sam Harris. The following spectacle has been incredibly unedifying.
Of course, inflammatory anti-Muslim language must be condemned by us all, and many anti-Muslim provocateurs should take a hard look at themselves after New Zealand, just as we must condemn inflammatory Islamist and far-left language. That is different, though, from trying to silence an entire policy concern like Western foreign policy or opposing immigration and critiquing Islam respectively. Only the extremists wish to shut down debate. And so it is crucial that we do not respond to far-right extremism in such a way that we inadvertently empower extremists from other ends of the political spectrum. Terrorists prefer the bullet to the ballot. Let us not become pawns in their game.
.
I don't like seeing anyone attacking innocent Muslims....but I also cannot handle the whining Muslims who feel they were personally attacked when they live 8000 miles away from the attack, and try to use this typically Islamic martyrdom complex to claim the right to attack others.
Mac is locked into the third ideology--he can "see both sides" and therefore calls down curses on both sides while sitting on his high and mighty mountain in Switzerland, believing he is more evolved that the rest of us, who cannot see both sides. Apparently.
It's funny.
I do love it when the first line of my sig is illustrated so vividly.
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You're very juvenile in your approach. You're like one of my first grade students who says to another "Don't look at me!" but as soon as someone does, just for speaking, says, "Made you look, made you look!!!"
This is repellent even to first graders, by the way.
You're wrong about quite a bit.
Not this however.
Let's see if we can pull the thread back from the children who want to derail it.
When discussing this issue, Mr. Nawaz draws a distinction between Islam and "Islamism" thusly:
Mr. Nawaz advocates that all religions clean their own house, which requires some difficult soul-searching that we don't see much today:
Mr. Nawaz advocates that all religions clean their own house, which requires some difficult soul-searching that we don't see much today:
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Nawaz is an idiot and a liar.
Whenever he (or anyone else) talks about "Muslims" (... do this or do not do that), he is lying to you. But, you found some nice memes that do your thinking for you so that you don't have to do it on your own.
There is no such thing as a homogeneous "Muslims", there is no such thing as (one) "Islam", and anyone who raises the impression it were otherwise is lying to you. But you like these lies, particularly so if they confirm the "anti-liberal, illiberal" label you throw out like candy and the stereotyping simplicity you peddle, therefore you promulgate them. It's what you do.
Mr. Nawaz advocates that all religions clean their own house, which requires some difficult soul-searching that we don't see much today:
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Nawaz is an idiot and a liar.
Whenever he (or anyone else) talks about "Muslims" (... do this or do not do that), he is lying to you. But, you found some nice memes that do your thinking for you so that you don't have to do it on your own.
There is no such thing as a homogeneous "Muslims", there is no such thing as (one) "Islam", and anyone who raises the impression it were otherwise is lying to you. But you like these lies, particularly so if they confirm the "anti-liberal, illiberal" label you throw out like candy and the stereotyping simplicity you peddle, therefore you promulgate them. It's what you do.
I think you are wasting your breathe on Stormy Mac.
He's an Islamophobe who just doesn't want to admit it, because it conflict with his liberal self-view. So a guy like Nawaz is a godsend. Kind of like how Uncle Toms like Ben Carson telling white folks how shiftless the other Negroes are a godsend to right wing racists.
If there are politically radical Muslims in the ME, it's because WE'VE created them! 50 years of ham-fisted foreign and economic policies. Endless war. Strip searching any poor fool named Mohammed at the airport.
"Gee, I don't know why that guy became a Jihadi!"
"Um, because you scooped him up off the Street, sent him to Gitmo and Waterboarded him!"
He's really not sitting on the fence. He's a Ted Cruz guy. #1 he's anti-Trump. Everything else unfolds from that. He doesn't like Trump, but he can't stomach what the left is doing to Trump and to this country.Being able to see both sides doesn't mean you can't have an opinion.I quote Maajid Nawaz regularly here. He is the liberal Muslim Brit who coined the term "Regressive Left", horrified by the way many on the Left make a bad situation worse by coddling the worst elements of Islam in the West. Mr. Nawaz can see both sides of this issue. I know being able to see both sides of an issue is not considered a good thing here.
He risks his life every day, pushing for reform of his beloved religion. He was assaulted, again, just the other day (I suspect he'll be attacked here, too - that's how they operate). Here's his take on the predictable madness that has followed the New Zealand attack.
The New Zealand Mosque Massacre Blame Game Is Out of Control
LONDON—The anti-Muslim terrorist attack at two mosques in New Zealand marked perhaps the lowest point for Muslim communities in the West since the Bosnia genocide. It has left no doubt that far-right extremism is on the march once more.
But the sheer human tragedy of this attack against my Muslim communities has not deterred extremists from those other two ends of our political spectrum, the far left and the theocratic Islamists, from seeking to exploit it for their own nefarious purposes.
So it is with no surprise that I noticed, a mere day after 50 of my fellow Muslims were so publicly and tragically killed, while the blood was still wet and the bodies remained unburied, that the ideologues had circled like vultures. Opportunistic Islamist and far-left extremists began calling for a purge of people whose politics they disagree with, and started publishing McCarthyite lists of personae non grata to target. Few have come under fiercer assault than my friend and collaborator in dialogue, Sam Harris. The following spectacle has been incredibly unedifying.
Of course, inflammatory anti-Muslim language must be condemned by us all, and many anti-Muslim provocateurs should take a hard look at themselves after New Zealand, just as we must condemn inflammatory Islamist and far-left language. That is different, though, from trying to silence an entire policy concern like Western foreign policy or opposing immigration and critiquing Islam respectively. Only the extremists wish to shut down debate. And so it is crucial that we do not respond to far-right extremism in such a way that we inadvertently empower extremists from other ends of the political spectrum. Terrorists prefer the bullet to the ballot. Let us not become pawns in their game.
.
I don't like seeing anyone attacking innocent Muslims....but I also cannot handle the whining Muslims who feel they were personally attacked when they live 8000 miles away from the attack, and try to use this typically Islamic martyrdom complex to claim the right to attack others.
Mac is locked into the third ideology--he can "see both sides" and therefore calls down curses on both sides while sitting on his high and mighty mountain in Switzerland, believing he is more evolved that the rest of us, who cannot see both sides. Apparently.
It's funny.
LolNawaz is an idiot and a liar.
Whenever he (or anyone else) talks about "Muslims" (... do this or do not do that), he is lying to you. But, you found some nice memes that do your thinking for you so that you don't have to do it on your own.
There is no such thing as a homogeneous "Muslims", there is no such thing as (one) "Islam", and anyone who raises the impression it were otherwise is lying to you. But you like these lies, particularly so if they confirm the "anti-liberal, illiberal" label you throw out like candy and the stereotyping simplicity you peddle, therefore you promulgate them. It's what you do.
I think you are wasting your breathe on Stormy Mac.
He's an Islamophobe who just doesn't want to admit it, because it conflict with his liberal self-view. So a guy like Nawaz is a godsend. Kind of like how Uncle Toms like Ben Carson telling white folks how shiftless the other Negroes are a godsend to right wing racists.
If there are politically radical Muslims in the ME, it's because WE'VE created them! 50 years of ham-fisted foreign and economic policies. Endless war. Strip searching any poor fool named Mohammed at the airport.
"Gee, I don't know why that guy became a Jihadi!"
"Um, because you scooped him up off the Street, sent him to Gitmo and Waterboarded him!"
I'm a "Ted Cruz" guy? Dafuq?He's really not sitting on the fence. He's a Ted Cruz guy. #1 he's anti-Trump. Everything else unfolds from that. He doesn't like Trump, but he can't stomach what the left is doing to Trump and to this country.Being able to see both sides doesn't mean you can't have an opinion.I quote Maajid Nawaz regularly here. He is the liberal Muslim Brit who coined the term "Regressive Left", horrified by the way many on the Left make a bad situation worse by coddling the worst elements of Islam in the West. Mr. Nawaz can see both sides of this issue. I know being able to see both sides of an issue is not considered a good thing here.
He risks his life every day, pushing for reform of his beloved religion. He was assaulted, again, just the other day (I suspect he'll be attacked here, too - that's how they operate). Here's his take on the predictable madness that has followed the New Zealand attack.
The New Zealand Mosque Massacre Blame Game Is Out of Control
LONDON—The anti-Muslim terrorist attack at two mosques in New Zealand marked perhaps the lowest point for Muslim communities in the West since the Bosnia genocide. It has left no doubt that far-right extremism is on the march once more.
But the sheer human tragedy of this attack against my Muslim communities has not deterred extremists from those other two ends of our political spectrum, the far left and the theocratic Islamists, from seeking to exploit it for their own nefarious purposes.
So it is with no surprise that I noticed, a mere day after 50 of my fellow Muslims were so publicly and tragically killed, while the blood was still wet and the bodies remained unburied, that the ideologues had circled like vultures. Opportunistic Islamist and far-left extremists began calling for a purge of people whose politics they disagree with, and started publishing McCarthyite lists of personae non grata to target. Few have come under fiercer assault than my friend and collaborator in dialogue, Sam Harris. The following spectacle has been incredibly unedifying.
Of course, inflammatory anti-Muslim language must be condemned by us all, and many anti-Muslim provocateurs should take a hard look at themselves after New Zealand, just as we must condemn inflammatory Islamist and far-left language. That is different, though, from trying to silence an entire policy concern like Western foreign policy or opposing immigration and critiquing Islam respectively. Only the extremists wish to shut down debate. And so it is crucial that we do not respond to far-right extremism in such a way that we inadvertently empower extremists from other ends of the political spectrum. Terrorists prefer the bullet to the ballot. Let us not become pawns in their game.
.
I don't like seeing anyone attacking innocent Muslims....but I also cannot handle the whining Muslims who feel they were personally attacked when they live 8000 miles away from the attack, and try to use this typically Islamic martyrdom complex to claim the right to attack others.
Mac is locked into the third ideology--he can "see both sides" and therefore calls down curses on both sides while sitting on his high and mighty mountain in Switzerland, believing he is more evolved that the rest of us, who cannot see both sides. Apparently.
It's funny.
