A question for the anti-abortionists?

[there4eyeM]

Your taxes kill innocent people.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The principles here are easily stated:

1. You cannot equate a fetus to a born person, but then "un-equate" them in the areas you don't like the equation to apply.

2. You cannot a. call abortion murder but then b. not call the woman who has an abortion a murderer.

If a. then b. That is unassailable logic.

 

[there4eyeM]

...then c. we make decisions regarding continuing life or not all the time, so, d. choice is natural and normal.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Don't confuse them with their ABC's.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I wonder... how many of us on this thread would be alive today if our mothers had taken bear's position on abortion?

Anyone care to fancy a guess?

 

[TemplarKormac]

NY carbineer brings up a great point in this thread, what would you charge the mom with if abortion some how became illegal, the electric chair? Life in prision, if a fetus is a human being?

What the poster said......

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NYcarbineerDiamond Member
The anti-abortionists keep throwing it into the faces of the pro-choicers saying that they are killing innocent human life.

But 99% of those same anti-abortionists cannot bring themselves to call for the appropriate punishment of women who have abortions,

which would be in most cases life in prison.

Why are you people pretending you believe that the fetus is a person

And to this question I answer:

How can you not see the fetus as a person? It starts to take on the human form early on in the development process. It has the distinct recognizable human features. Just by the face alone you can recognize it as a human being.

Why do we "pretend?" Because we already know what the fetus is. You wish to craft all of these reasons to excuse a barbaric practice.

In theory, you can fine the woman, not imprison her. Why do you assume that women have to be put in jail for having an abortion? Or, you can fine her for the first, then increase the fine for each subsequent abortion to a maximum set fine. You wouldn't ban abortion, you would discourage it. Now, if a woman is done having children, hysterectomies are available.

Make abortion a financially ruinous proposition, and women would exercise more caution.

 

[Coyote]

At LEAST the same fine as Animal Cruelty. NO?

THIS is at 20 WEEKS

The vast majority of abortions take place well before 20 weeks.

 

[Coyote]

I wonder... how many of us on this thread would be alive today if our mothers had taken bear's position on abortion?

Anyone care to fancy a guess?

We wouldn't care.

Or, conversly, imagine what the world would have been like if Hitler had been aborted.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

The anti-abortionists keep throwing it into the faces of the pro-choicers saying that they are killing innocent human life.

But 99% of those same anti-abortionists cannot bring themselves to call for the appropriate punishment of women who have abortions,

which would be in most cases life in prison.

If abortion were illegal, and abortion considered murder, the women getting abortions should receive voluntary manslaughter charges. Why would it be any different than the murder of a human being of any other kind?

I don't know, you are the one saying its manslaughter and not murder. You tell us. If you define an embryo as a human being the abortion would be 1st degree murder and conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder in every state.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

At LEAST the same fine as Animal Cruelty. NO?

THIS is at 20 WEEKS

The vast majority of abortions take place well before 20 weeks.

And the vast majority of them are performed by God.

 

[TemplarKormac]

We wouldn't care.

That's it?

 

[my2¢]

The premise of this thread is faulty. If abortion is made illegal, authorities wouldn't be charging "mom" with anything major but rather they'd be going after those performing the operations or selling abortion drugs. It would be like the war on drugs. And unfortunately the results likely would be the same as well.

 

[chikenwing]

Almost every anti-abortionist knows someone personally who's had an abortion, as almost all of us do.

You call abortion murder. Would you sign the papers that put that woman you know away for life?

If it was illegal the authorities would be signing the papers,not us civilians. As far as knowing people that have had them, unless your a heartless dick you don't shove your personal opion in their face,or try and set up a gottcha question as the OP has done,including the thread title, people are pro life not anti abortion.

 

[Coyote]

We wouldn't care.

That's it?

Yup. If I wasn't born I would not care. I would never have existed. I wouldn't know it. Why would I care?

 

[whitehall]

NY carbineer brings up a great point in this thread, what would you charge the mom with if abortion some how became illegal, the electric chair? Life in prision, if a fetus is a human being?

What the poster said......

Can we just accept that the left is never going to understand biology Page 6 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

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NYcarbineerDiamond Member
The anti-abortionists keep throwing it into the faces of the pro-choicers saying that they are killing innocent human life.

But 99% of those same anti-abortionists cannot bring themselves to call for the appropriate punishment of women who have abortions,

which would be in most cases life in prison.

Why are you people pretending you believe that the fetus is a person

If "Bear513 wants to dabble in the justice system he needs a lot more education. First of all you don't "charge" a person with the death penalty. That's up to the judicial system including the D.A., the judge and jury. Abortion has been upheld by the supreme court so it's unlikely that it will "become illegal" but it's important to understand the human gestation period even if the education of the ignorant prog lefties extends not much further than placing a condom on a freaking cucumber. (Dr.) Kermit Gosnell's house of horrors existed because the powerful abortion politics prevented even a basic health check of his clinic. They closed Taco joints in Philadelphia for not following health codes but Dr. Kermit was cutting the throats of (mostly Black) living full term babies that slipped out of the birth canal and nobody knew about it until a pregnant mother didn't come home from her appointment.

 

[Dragonlady]

triple post.

 

[Dragonlady]

triple post

 

[Dragonlady]

NY carbineer brings up a great point in this thread, what would you charge the mom with if abortion some how became illegal, the electric chair? Life in prision, if a fetus is a human being?

What the poster said......

Can we just accept that the left is never going to understand biology Page 6 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

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NYcarbineerDiamond Member
The anti-abortionists keep throwing it into the faces of the pro-choicers saying that they are killing innocent human life.

But 99% of those same anti-abortionists cannot bring themselves to call for the appropriate punishment of women who have abortions,

which would be in most cases life in prison.

Why are you people pretending you believe that the fetus is a person

And to this question I answer:

How can you not see the fetus as a person? It starts to take on the human form early on in the development process. It has the distinct recognizable human features. Just by the face alone you can recognize it as a human being.

Why do we "pretend?" Because we already know what the fetus is. You wish to craft all of these reasons to excuse a barbaric practice.

In theory, you can fine the woman, not imprison her. Why do you assume that women have to be put in jail for having an abortion? Or, you can fine her for the first, then increase the fine for each subsequent abortion to a maximum set fine. You wouldn't ban abortion, you would discourage it. Now, if a woman is done having children, hysterectomies are available.

Make abortion a financially ruinous proposition, and women would exercise more caution.

Why fine the women? Why not fine the men? They participated in the creation of a child they could not or would not support financially. Or better yet, why not provide the women with health care for themselves and their children, paid maternity leave, and higher wages so they can afford to keep and raise their child, if you wish to discourage abortion?

Make it easy for women to have and keep their babies and they will. But if your goal is to keep women from having sex, it ain't gonna happen. Women have been having sex and aborting fetuses since biblical days. You cannot change that behavior. It is one of the two strongest biological urges and it's there to ensure the survival of the species.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Yup. If I wasn't born I would not care. I would never have existed. I wouldn't know it. Why would I care?

Why? Because, if you value your existence now, you should be thankful for it. And think of how blessed you are that you do exist. You could have just as easily been yanked out of the womb during your development, at your mother's behest, because she didn't think you were a person and/or you weren't convenient for her at the time.

Would you have rather not existed if it meant giving your mother a choice?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why not fine the men?

Easy, because according to people like you, the man's opinion and input are not wanted or needed. They have no idea what the woman is going through. That, miss, represents the hypocrisy of your argument.