A Recipe For Anti-Muslim Hatred!

[irosie91]

Maybe it is human nature to paint an entire group based on the actions of it's fringe members. Taint fair though, or honest to label every muslim person as described above; it's like saying every white person hates and discriminates against black people and would lynch 'em given the chance. Not true, throughout history there have been a militaristic few bent on murder and destruction to further whatever their cause is, and many times it wasn't the most altruistic. So, you can hate 'em all if you want to, but that won't solve anything.

You have never spent even a nanosecond investigating Islamic opinions on the world, have you?

Do you believe in killing those who stop believing in what you believe? That is a very common belief in Islam.

Those are common opinions in the Arab world. Not the entire world of Islam. BECAUSE there, religion is protected and codified into law. I'm not in a position to make suggestions,, but almost every other major religion has some kind of "reform" contingent. And in these times, perhaps Islam needs to make the brave move of having some degrees in Orthodoxy. Jews have the Reform and Conservative choices. Christians have TONS of choices. The Muslim only divide along the Sunni/Shia lines and even MORE fundamentalist sects.

The reason this has not happened, is that it would likely be declared enemy #1 by all fundamentalists and radicalized fundies. And in the majority of GEOGRAPHY held by Islam, those are the folks with the power of the STATE behind them. Christians had to FLEE the monarchies in order to have religious choice and thrive. But that migration was SELECTIVE and those folks had thought it thru. They were not just fleeing for their lives.

You are wrong on two counts. First of all, it isn't an Arab point of view, but is specific to ISLAMIC Arabs. Maronites do no express most of these attitudes because they do not follow the same supremacist doctrine. heck, when Maronites were in the majority in Lebanon, Beirut was referred to the Paris of the middle east. Now that Muslims have bred themselves into power, it is just another shit hole.

As far as the governments are concerned, again you are wrong. The governments have been the only thing to PREVENT these attitudes from running amok. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood was outlawed by the previous administrations. In Iran, women had rights under The Shah since he was keeping Islam in check. The most salient example is Turkey, where Ataturk brought Turkey screaming and kicking into the modern age by sheer force of will.


Pretend as you wish, but it IS Islam at work here. It is a supremacist doctrine crafted by a murderous thief and rapist to guarantee his warriors would be bound to him and continue to wage eternal war after he was dead.

They have been following suit ever since.

It is not "ISLAMIC ARABS"-----it is muslims. The people who introduced me to
islam were mostly Pakistanis and a few Indians------it is MUSLIM

way back then it was not Iranian muslims YET

 

[flacaltenn]

Maybe it is human nature to paint an entire group based on the actions of it's fringe members. Taint fair though, or honest to label every muslim person as described above; it's like saying every white person hates and discriminates against black people and would lynch 'em given the chance. Not true, throughout history there have been a militaristic few bent on murder and destruction to further whatever their cause is, and many times it wasn't the most altruistic. So, you can hate 'em all if you want to, but that won't solve anything.

You have never spent even a nanosecond investigating Islamic opinions on the world, have you?

Do you believe in killing those who stop believing in what you believe? That is a very common belief in Islam.

Those are common opinions in the Arab world. Not the entire world of Islam. BECAUSE there, religion is protected and codified into law. I'm not in a position to make suggestions,, but almost every other major religion has some kind of "reform" contingent. And in these times, perhaps Islam needs to make the brave move of having some degrees in Orthodoxy. Jews have the Reform and Conservative choices. Christians have TONS of choices. The Muslim only divide along the Sunni/Shia lines and even MORE fundamentalist sects.

The reason this has not happened, is that it would likely be declared enemy #1 by all fundamentalists and radicalized fundies. And in the majority of GEOGRAPHY held by Islam, those are the folks with the power of the STATE behind them. Christians had to FLEE the monarchies in order to have religious choice and thrive. But that migration was SELECTIVE and those folks had thought it thru. They were not just fleeing for their lives.

You are wrong on two counts. First of all, it isn't an Arab point of view, but is specific to ISLAMIC Arabs. Maronites do no express most of these attitudes because they do not follow the same supremacist doctrine. heck, when Maronites were in the majority in Lebanon, Beirut was referred to the Paris of the middle east. Now that Muslims have bred themselves into power, it is just another shit hole.

As far as the governments are concerned, again you are wrong. The governments have been the only thing to PREVENT these attitudes from running amok. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood was outlawed by the previous administrations. In Iran, women had rights under The Shah since he was keeping Islam in check. The most salient example is Turkey, where Ataturk brought Turkey screaming and kicking into the modern age by sheer force of will.


Pretend as you wish, but it IS Islam at work here. It is a supremacist doctrine crafted by a murderous thief and rapist to guarantee his warriors would be bound to him and continue to wage eternal war after he was dead.

They have been following suit ever since.

Lebanon was not EVER Arab friendly. Not even in Ottoman times. So the culture and heritage there is much different than the Arab states. That's the POINT. Was NEVER a Muslim theocracy. Syrian occupation came and went and life went LARGELY back to the confused "coalition" that Lebanon always was. The recent growth in Muslim demographics THREATENS that coalition, but largely because of the politics involved in being the "odd state out" in terms of the Mid East.

The fact that you bring up Lebanon is entertaining. Because as a NON-ARAB culture, the practice of Islam there is not the DEFINING CULTURE of Lebanon. And it doesn't BREED radicals. They have to be imported by Syrian or Iranian proxy...

 

[Coyote]

Maybe it is human nature to paint an entire group based on the actions of it's fringe members. Taint fair though, or honest to label every muslim person as described above; it's like saying every white person hates and discriminates against black people and would lynch 'em given the chance. Not true, throughout history there have been a militaristic few bent on murder and destruction to further whatever their cause is, and many times it wasn't the most altruistic. So, you can hate 'em all if you want to, but that won't solve anything.

You have never spent even a nanosecond investigating Islamic opinions on the world, have you?

Do you believe in killing those who stop believing in what you believe? That is a very common belief in Islam.

Those are common opinions in the Arab world. Not the entire world of Islam. BECAUSE there, religion is protected and codified into law. I'm not in a position to make suggestions,, but almost every other major religion has some kind of "reform" contingent. And in these times, perhaps Islam needs to make the brave move of having some degrees in Orthodoxy. Jews have the Reform and Conservative choices. Christians have TONS of choices. The Muslim only divide along the Sunni/Shia lines and even MORE fundamentalist sects.

The reason this has not happened, is that it would likely be declared enemy #1 by all fundamentalists and radicalized fundies. And in the majority of GEOGRAPHY held by Islam, those are the folks with the power of the STATE behind them. Christians had to FLEE the monarchies in order to have religious choice and thrive. But that migration was SELECTIVE and those folks had thought it thru. They were not just fleeing for their lives.

Actually a bit more than that - but some of those sects the majority sects don't consider to be Islamic
There are the major branches and within them a bunch of different orders:
Shia
Sunni
Sufi

....When I looked it up - there are a lot more than I realized: Islamic schools and branches - Wikipedia

I think we are only familiar with Sunni/Shia because of the conflicts and Salafist because it's so repressive.

 

[irosie91]

Maybe it is human nature to paint an entire group based on the actions of it's fringe members. Taint fair though, or honest to label every muslim person as described above; it's like saying every white person hates and discriminates against black people and would lynch 'em given the chance. Not true, throughout history there have been a militaristic few bent on murder and destruction to further whatever their cause is, and many times it wasn't the most altruistic. So, you can hate 'em all if you want to, but that won't solve anything.

You have never spent even a nanosecond investigating Islamic opinions on the world, have you?

Do you believe in killing those who stop believing in what you believe? That is a very common belief in Islam.

Those are common opinions in the Arab world. Not the entire world of Islam. BECAUSE there, religion is protected and codified into law. I'm not in a position to make suggestions,, but almost every other major religion has some kind of "reform" contingent. And in these times, perhaps Islam needs to make the brave move of having some degrees in Orthodoxy. Jews have the Reform and Conservative choices. Christians have TONS of choices. The Muslim only divide along the Sunni/Shia lines and even MORE fundamentalist sects.

The reason this has not happened, is that it would likely be declared enemy #1 by all fundamentalists and radicalized fundies. And in the majority of GEOGRAPHY held by Islam, those are the folks with the power of the STATE behind them. Christians had to FLEE the monarchies in order to have religious choice and thrive. But that migration was SELECTIVE and those folks had thought it thru. They were not just fleeing for their lives.

Actually a bit more than that - but some of those sects the majority sects don't consider to be Islamic
There are the major branches and within them a bunch of different orders:
Shia
Sunni
Sufi

....When I looked it up - there are a lot more than I realized: Islamic schools and branches - Wikipedia

I think we are only familiar with Sunni/Shia because of the conflicts and Salafist because it's so repressive.

salafist is not a "sect"-----it is a conservative movement within sunni islam

 

[flacaltenn]

Maybe it is human nature to paint an entire group based on the actions of it's fringe members. Taint fair though, or honest to label every muslim person as described above; it's like saying every white person hates and discriminates against black people and would lynch 'em given the chance. Not true, throughout history there have been a militaristic few bent on murder and destruction to further whatever their cause is, and many times it wasn't the most altruistic. So, you can hate 'em all if you want to, but that won't solve anything.

You have never spent even a nanosecond investigating Islamic opinions on the world, have you?

Do you believe in killing those who stop believing in what you believe? That is a very common belief in Islam.

Those are common opinions in the Arab world. Not the entire world of Islam. BECAUSE there, religion is protected and codified into law. I'm not in a position to make suggestions,, but almost every other major religion has some kind of "reform" contingent. And in these times, perhaps Islam needs to make the brave move of having some degrees in Orthodoxy. Jews have the Reform and Conservative choices. Christians have TONS of choices. The Muslim only divide along the Sunni/Shia lines and even MORE fundamentalist sects.

The reason this has not happened, is that it would likely be declared enemy #1 by all fundamentalists and radicalized fundies. And in the majority of GEOGRAPHY held by Islam, those are the folks with the power of the STATE behind them. Christians had to FLEE the monarchies in order to have religious choice and thrive. But that migration was SELECTIVE and those folks had thought it thru. They were not just fleeing for their lives.

Actually a bit more than that - but some of those sects the majority sects don't consider to be Islamic
There are the major branches and within them a bunch of different orders:
Shia
Sunni
Sufi

....When I looked it up - there are a lot more than I realized: Islamic schools and branches - Wikipedia

I think we are only familiar with Sunni/Shia because of the conflicts and Salafist because it's so repressive.

Maybe it is human nature to paint an entire group based on the actions of it's fringe members. Taint fair though, or honest to label every muslim person as described above; it's like saying every white person hates and discriminates against black people and would lynch 'em given the chance. Not true, throughout history there have been a militaristic few bent on murder and destruction to further whatever their cause is, and many times it wasn't the most altruistic. So, you can hate 'em all if you want to, but that won't solve anything.

You have never spent even a nanosecond investigating Islamic opinions on the world, have you?

Do you believe in killing those who stop believing in what you believe? That is a very common belief in Islam.

Those are common opinions in the Arab world. Not the entire world of Islam. BECAUSE there, religion is protected and codified into law. I'm not in a position to make suggestions,, but almost every other major religion has some kind of "reform" contingent. And in these times, perhaps Islam needs to make the brave move of having some degrees in Orthodoxy. Jews have the Reform and Conservative choices. Christians have TONS of choices. The Muslim only divide along the Sunni/Shia lines and even MORE fundamentalist sects.

The reason this has not happened, is that it would likely be declared enemy #1 by all fundamentalists and radicalized fundies. And in the majority of GEOGRAPHY held by Islam, those are the folks with the power of the STATE behind them. Christians had to FLEE the monarchies in order to have religious choice and thrive. But that migration was SELECTIVE and those folks had thought it thru. They were not just fleeing for their lives.

Actually a bit more than that - but some of those sects the majority sects don't consider to be Islamic
There are the major branches and within them a bunch of different orders:
Shia
Sunni
Sufi

....When I looked it up - there are a lot more than I realized: Islamic schools and branches - Wikipedia

I think we are only familiar with Sunni/Shia because of the conflicts and Salafist because it's so repressive.

Schools of thought are not "reformation movements". And most of what's listed adhere to the Shia/Sunni divide. In fact, most are more CONSERVATIVE and fundamentalist than the next. Like wahabists.

The only reformation that attempts to define the religion of Islam in an ALTERNATE cultural context is

Islamic Modernism[edit]
Islamic Modernism, also sometimes referred to as Modernist Salafism,[84][85][86][87][88] is a movement that has been described as "the first Muslim ideological response"[89] attempting to reconcile Islamic faith with modern Western values such as nationalism, democracy, civil rights, rationality, equality, and progress.[90]

Which is something that is so obscure in the scheme of things, I've never even seen the evidence for it's existence. BUT -- it's worth looking into the links provided.

 

[irosie91]

Maybe it is human nature to paint an entire group based on the actions of it's fringe members. Taint fair though, or honest to label every muslim person as described above; it's like saying every white person hates and discriminates against black people and would lynch 'em given the chance. Not true, throughout history there have been a militaristic few bent on murder and destruction to further whatever their cause is, and many times it wasn't the most altruistic. So, you can hate 'em all if you want to, but that won't solve anything.

You have never spent even a nanosecond investigating Islamic opinions on the world, have you?

Do you believe in killing those who stop believing in what you believe? That is a very common belief in Islam.

Those are common opinions in the Arab world. Not the entire world of Islam. BECAUSE there, religion is protected and codified into law. I'm not in a position to make suggestions,, but almost every other major religion has some kind of "reform" contingent. And in these times, perhaps Islam needs to make the brave move of having some degrees in Orthodoxy. Jews have the Reform and Conservative choices. Christians have TONS of choices. The Muslim only divide along the Sunni/Shia lines and even MORE fundamentalist sects.

The reason this has not happened, is that it would likely be declared enemy #1 by all fundamentalists and radicalized fundies. And in the majority of GEOGRAPHY held by Islam, those are the folks with the power of the STATE behind them. Christians had to FLEE the monarchies in order to have religious choice and thrive. But that migration was SELECTIVE and those folks had thought it thru. They were not just fleeing for their lives.

You are wrong on two counts. First of all, it isn't an Arab point of view, but is specific to ISLAMIC Arabs. Maronites do no express most of these attitudes because they do not follow the same supremacist doctrine. heck, when Maronites were in the majority in Lebanon, Beirut was referred to the Paris of the middle east. Now that Muslims have bred themselves into power, it is just another shit hole.

As far as the governments are concerned, again you are wrong. The governments have been the only thing to PREVENT these attitudes from running amok. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood was outlawed by the previous administrations. In Iran, women had rights under The Shah since he was keeping Islam in check. The most salient example is Turkey, where Ataturk brought Turkey screaming and kicking into the modern age by sheer force of will.


Pretend as you wish, but it IS Islam at work here. It is a supremacist doctrine crafted by a murderous thief and rapist to guarantee his warriors would be bound to him and continue to wage eternal war after he was dead.

They have been following suit ever since.

Lebanon was not EVER Arab friendly. Not even in Ottoman times. So the culture and heritage there is much different than the Arab states. That's the POINT. Was NEVER a Muslim theocracy. Syrian occupation came and went and life went LARGELY back to the confused "coalition" that Lebanon always was. The recent growth in Muslim demographics THREATENS that coalition, but largely because of the politics involved in being the "odd state out" in terms of the Mid East.

The fact that you bring up Lebanon is entertaining. Because as a NON-ARAB culture, the practice of Islam there is not the DEFINING CULTURE of Lebanon. And it doesn't BREED radicals. They have to be imported by Syrian or Iranian proxy...

things change with TIME-------way back, Lebanon was something like 1/2 Christian and 1/2 Muslim and the
constitution mandated a formula for shared government. -----things change. You seem to be struggling to
ascribe a kind of "NOT SO ISLAMIC" character to Lebanon------GROW UP-----the country is under the thumb of Iran and is chock full of Hezbollah animals (in the southern most part of the country) There is no
turning back for Lebanon

 

[irosie91]

Maybe it is human nature to paint an entire group based on the actions of it's fringe members. Taint fair though, or honest to label every muslim person as described above; it's like saying every white person hates and discriminates against black people and would lynch 'em given the chance. Not true, throughout history there have been a militaristic few bent on murder and destruction to further whatever their cause is, and many times it wasn't the most altruistic. So, you can hate 'em all if you want to, but that won't solve anything.

You have never spent even a nanosecond investigating Islamic opinions on the world, have you?

Do you believe in killing those who stop believing in what you believe? That is a very common belief in Islam.

Those are common opinions in the Arab world. Not the entire world of Islam. BECAUSE there, religion is protected and codified into law. I'm not in a position to make suggestions,, but almost every other major religion has some kind of "reform" contingent. And in these times, perhaps Islam needs to make the brave move of having some degrees in Orthodoxy. Jews have the Reform and Conservative choices. Christians have TONS of choices. The Muslim only divide along the Sunni/Shia lines and even MORE fundamentalist sects.

The reason this has not happened, is that it would likely be declared enemy #1 by all fundamentalists and radicalized fundies. And in the majority of GEOGRAPHY held by Islam, those are the folks with the power of the STATE behind them. Christians had to FLEE the monarchies in order to have religious choice and thrive. But that migration was SELECTIVE and those folks had thought it thru. They were not just fleeing for their lives.

Actually a bit more than that - but some of those sects the majority sects don't consider to be Islamic
There are the major branches and within them a bunch of different orders:
Shia
Sunni
Sufi

....When I looked it up - there are a lot more than I realized: Islamic schools and branches - Wikipedia

I think we are only familiar with Sunni/Shia because of the conflicts and Salafist because it's so repressive.

for a slightly better concept of Islamic sects-----talk to muslims. Wikki is wikki

 

[Marion Morrison]

Islam is, at the core, a world domination strategy with no bacon.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

There are predictable ingredients in a Muslim-hatred souffle. You mix the following ingredients:

Remain superficial.
Do not study the Quran deeply. Best to rely on Google or websites that cherry pick verses out of context to make their point, or weave together the most offensive quotations available from Imams or rulings of Islamic jurors over time. How hard can it be to grasp the ins and outs of a 1500-year-old religious tradition whose texts are written mostly in languages you don’t understand, which spans countries and continents and has billions of adherents? Judaism could be well understood after several hours on anti-Semitic websites, right? And Atheist websites would be a great guide to the history of Christianity? Right. So stick to anti-Islam websites for your information. What could go wrong?

Essentialism.

The belief that Muslims (or most Muslims, say) are of a type. The Muslim is backward, misogynistic, violent, primitive, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, fundamentalist. You ignore the cultural diversity of Muslims. You ignore the differences in belief, custom, and degree of religiosity among them. You ignore the great artistic, scientific, and philosophical achievements of Muslims past and present.

Definition by the worst.
You form your picture of Islam according to the worst behavior you can find among Muslims. Your image of a Muslim is based on ISIS, Al-Quaeda, Saudi Wahabis or hatred spewing Imams you’ve seen on Youtube. You ignore the Muslims who live in friendship and harmony with non-Muslims, who volunteer their time as doctors or humanitarian workers or who fight for human rights or denounce, again and again, terrorism and religious violence. If you do acknowledge these Muslims, you see them as aberrations from the true Muslim type as in #1 above, refusing to see the obvious fact that these Muslims are, well, also Muslims and it is just as reasonable to believe their actions are motivated by aspects of Islam as it is to believe ISIS is.

More ingredients : Are You Contributing To Islamophobia? A Recipe For Anti-Muslim Hatred

The result:

Typical brainwashed loon (No one with an online account).

@AncientLion I have a question for you. This concerns what I view as a far greater oppression of Muslims and yet I can find no complaints from the Islamic world about it. Can you explain why Muslims worldwide appear to be remaining silent about these stories?
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/ban-06012017165249.htm
I have spent the morning reading stories about how China has sent their own police into Muslim homes to spy on them and make sure they do not fast. The Chinese govt is also confiscating all Qurans that are older than 2012 because the Qurans after 2012 have been revised (rewritten) to remove what the Chinese govt doesn't like while adding verses which command Muslims to submit to Chinese Communist authorities. Chinese Muslims are being ordered to turn in any Qurans owned by their parents / grandparents that were published prior to 2012. Is this not an issue for Muslims worldwide? Or is the greatest oppression ignored while Muslims living in the USA are afforded rights the Muslims in China are refused? Can you explain this to me? Thank you in advance for your response.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Here is the article Ancient lion - that link didn't work for some reason I will post it again:
Authorities in northwestern China’s Xinjiang region are confiscating all Qurans published more than five years ago due to “extremist content,” according to local officials, amid an ongoing campaign against “illegal” religious items owned by mostly Muslim ethnic Uyghur residents.

Village chiefs from Barin township, in Kashgar (in Chinese, Kashi) prefecture’s Peyziwat (Jiashi) county, recently told RFA’s Uyghur Service that hundreds of the Islamic holy books printed before 2012 had been seized since authorities issued an order recalling them on Jan. 15.

The Qurans were appropriated as part of the “Three Illegals and One Item” campaign underway in Xinjiang that bans “illegal” publicity materials, religious activities, and religious teaching, as well as items deemed by authorities to be tools of terrorism—including knives, flammable objects, remote-controlled toys, and objects sporting symbols related to Islam, they said.

Emet Imin, the party secretary of Barin’s No. 1 village, told RFA that authorities had confiscated 500 books in the recent campaign sweep of households beginning in January, “most of which were Qurans published before 2012.”

“They can keep Qurans that were published after August 2012, according to an order from the top, but they are not allowed to keep any other versions,” Imin said.

“Other versions should be recalled entirely, even if they were published by the government.”

Imin said that according to the order he received from his superiors, there were “problems” in the earlier version of the Quran related to “some signs of extremism.”

“Therefore, we issued a notice on Jan. 15 urging residents to hand over older Qurans and warning them they would bear the consequences if banned versions were found in their homes,” he said.

“As a result, most of them brought their Qurans to us. We gathered all [the books] at the village office and [earlier this month] we took them to the office of United Front Work Department,” he added, referring to a Communist Party agency responsible for handling relations with China’s non-party elite.

Only materials signed off on by official religious organizations endorsed by the ruling Chinese Communist Party are considered legal to own and use for worship in China, and Imin did not explain how a state-sanctioned version of the Quran might have been deemed “extremist” by authorities.

Imam Rishit, the party secretary of Barin’s No. 2 village, said that while the recall was only issued for Qurans published prior to 2012, residents of his village turned in every version of the Quran they owned, “most likely to [do whatever they can to] stay out of trouble.”

“We collected 382 of them and they will be taken to the township government,” he said.

“The type of work we are doing right now is meant to discourage residents from reading older versions of the Quran by warning them that they will be contaminated by extremist ideas. Therefore, the Uyghurs have been bringing their Qurans to us—even the ones they inherited from their grandparents.”

Rishit said authorities in his village had also confiscated “plates and decorative items with the inscriptions ‘Muhammed’ and ‘Allah’ on them” during the sweep of homes since January.

Anti-Islamic policies

Overseas Uyghurs slammed the Quran ban as merely another bid by Chinese authorities to exert more control over the Xinjiang region by linking their ethnic group’s cultural traditions to terrorism and promoting more government-friendly versions.

“The real objective of the Chinese government is to alienate Uyghur people from the true belief of Islam,” said Turghunjan Alawudin, Religious Commission chairman of the Munich-based World Uyghur Congress (WUC) exile group.

“China is attempting to justify its wholesale repression of the Uyghur people by distorting the teachings of the Holy Quran, Hadith [the sayings of the Prophet Muhammed] and Islamic theology passed down to us by our forefathers.”

Alawudin said that Beijing is working to ensure that the “accepted” version of the Quran legitimizes its “repressive policies” in Xinjiang and teaches the Uyghur people to “submit.”

“In Islam, we must follow Allah and the teachings of Muhammed, but the Chinese government is distorting the Quran by adding passages about submission to authorities so that Uyghurs will acquiesce to its illegitimate and dictatorial rule over our homeland,” he said.

“China’s goal is to use the new translated Quran to confuse the minds of believers and to serve its own political purposes.”

Alawudin denounced any version of the Quran that had been translated from the original Arabic into the Uyghur language by “atheists or communists,” saying only “learned Islamic scholars and true believers” are worthy of translating the holy book.

WUC spokesperson Dilxat Raxit echoed Alawudin’s concerns over what constitutes a legitimate version of the Quran.

“Only independent Islamic researchers and highly-trained religious scholars—not the atheistic Chinese government—should have the authority to pronounce which version of the Quran is correct,” he said.

“Instead of changing the Quran—the Holy Book of all Muslims—China should change its anti-Islamic policies against the Uyghur people disguised as anti-extremism.”

China regularly conducts “strike hard” campaigns in Xinjiang, including police raids on Uyghur households, restrictions on Islamic practices, and curbs on the culture and language of the Uyghur people, including videos and other material.

While China blames some Uyghurs for "terrorist" attacks, experts outside China say Beijing has exaggerated the threat from the Uyghurs and that repressive domestic policies are responsible for an upsurge in violence there that has left hundreds dead since 2009.

Reported by Shohret Hoshur for RFA’s Uyghur Service. Translated by Mamatjan Juma and Alim Seytoff. Written in English by Joshua Lipes.


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Above are the links to China embedding their own police inside Muslim homes to make sure they don't fast. Ordering restaurants to stay open during Ramadan Fast, detaining a Muslim woman who posted verses from Quran online, searching house to house for illegal items - that would include Qurans printed prior to 2012 as the new ones have been changed to teach Muslims to submit to the authorities in China,items w/ name Mohammad on them, etc. Also they are now banning Muslim parents from naming their children certain names and have in one case changed the name of a Muslim medical student at University while leaving out the fact that he must have been over the age of 16. Anyone under the age of 16 must have their name changed if it is on the ban list. Why hasn't the Islamic world responded to any of these actions against their own brethren by Chinese government? I find this to be a valid question. Please share your thoughts about it here.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Here is another story that might be of interest to you @AncientLion China Extends Ban on ‘Extreme’ Uyghur Baby Names to Children Under 16

Authorities in northwestern China’s Xinjiang region are confiscating all Qurans published more than five years ago due to “extremist content,” according to local officials, amid an ongoing campaign against “illegal” religious items owned by mostly Muslim ethnic Uyghur residents.

Village chiefs from Barin township, in Kashgar (in Chinese, Kashi) prefecture’s Peyziwat (Jiashi) county, recently told RFA’s Uyghur Service that hundreds of the Islamic holy books printed before 2012 had been seized since authorities issued an order recalling them on Jan. 15.

The Qurans were appropriated as part of the “Three Illegals and One Item” campaign underway in Xinjiang that bans “illegal” publicity materials, religious activities, and religious teaching, as well as items deemed by authorities to be tools of terrorism—including knives, flammable objects, remote-controlled toys, and objects sporting symbols related to Islam, they said.

Emet Imin, the party secretary of Barin’s No. 1 village, told RFA that authorities had confiscated 500 books in the recent campaign sweep of households beginning in January, “most of which were Qurans published before 2012.”

“They can keep Qurans that were published after August 2012, according to an order from the top, but they are not allowed to keep any other versions,” Imin said.

“Other versions should be recalled entirely, even if they were published by the government.”

Imin said that according to the order he received from his superiors, there were “problems” in the earlier version of the Quran related to “some signs of extremism.”

“Therefore, we issued a notice on Jan. 15 urging residents to hand over older Qurans and warning them they would bear the consequences if banned versions were found in their homes,” he said.

“As a result, most of them brought their Qurans to us. We gathered all [the books] at the village office and [earlier this month] we took them to the office of United Front Work Department,” he added, referring to a Communist Party agency responsible for handling relations with China’s non-party elite.

Only materials signed off on by official religious organizations endorsed by the ruling Chinese Communist Party are considered legal to own and use for worship in China, and Imin did not explain how a state-sanctioned version of the Quran might have been deemed “extremist” by authorities.

Imam Rishit, the party secretary of Barin’s No. 2 village, said that while the recall was only issued for Qurans published prior to 2012, residents of his village turned in every version of the Quran they owned, “most likely to [do whatever they can to] stay out of trouble.”

“We collected 382 of them and they will be taken to the township government,” he said.

“The type of work we are doing right now is meant to discourage residents from reading older versions of the Quran by warning them that they will be contaminated by extremist ideas. Therefore, the Uyghurs have been bringing their Qurans to us—even the ones they inherited from their grandparents.”

Rishit said authorities in his village had also confiscated “plates and decorative items with the inscriptions ‘Muhammed’ and ‘Allah’ on them” during the sweep of homes since January.

Anti-Islamic policies

Overseas Uyghurs slammed the Quran ban as merely another bid by Chinese authorities to exert more control over the Xinjiang region by linking their ethnic group’s cultural traditions to terrorism and promoting more government-friendly versions.

“The real objective of the Chinese government is to alienate Uyghur people from the true belief of Islam,” said Turghunjan Alawudin, Religious Commission chairman of the Munich-based World Uyghur Congress (WUC) exile group.

“China is attempting to justify its wholesale repression of the Uyghur people by distorting the teachings of the Holy Quran, Hadith [the sayings of the Prophet Muhammed] and Islamic theology passed down to us by our forefathers.”

Alawudin said that Beijing is working to ensure that the “accepted” version of the Quran legitimizes its “repressive policies” in Xinjiang and teaches the Uyghur people to “submit.”

“In Islam, we must follow Allah and the teachings of Muhammed, but the Chinese government is distorting the Quran by adding passages about submission to authorities so that Uyghurs will acquiesce to its illegitimate and dictatorial rule over our homeland,” he said.

“China’s goal is to use the new translated Quran to confuse the minds of believers and to serve its own political purposes.”

Alawudin denounced any version of the Quran that had been translated from the original Arabic into the Uyghur language by “atheists or communists,” saying only “learned Islamic scholars and true believers” are worthy of translating the holy book.

WUC spokesperson Dilxat Raxit echoed Alawudin’s concerns over what constitutes a legitimate version of the Quran.

“Only independent Islamic researchers and highly-trained religious scholars—not the atheistic Chinese government—should have the authority to pronounce which version of the Quran is correct,” he said.

“Instead of changing the Quran—the Holy Book of all Muslims—China should change its anti-Islamic policies against the Uyghur people disguised as anti-extremism.”

China regularly conducts “strike hard” campaigns in Xinjiang, including police raids on Uyghur households, restrictions on Islamic practices, and curbs on the culture and language of the Uyghur people, including videos and other material.

While China blames some Uyghurs for "terrorist" attacks, experts outside China say Beijing has exaggerated the threat from the Uyghurs and that repressive domestic policies are responsible for an upsurge in violence there that has left hundreds dead since 2009.

Reported by Shohret Hoshur for RFA’s Uyghur Service. Translated by Mamatjan Juma and Alim Seytoff. Written in English by Joshua Lipes.

My question to @AncientLion is do you see these decisions by China to be oppressive to your Muslim brethren and if so why has there been no mention of it while you appear to be focused on Anti-Muslim hatred of the West which appears to have went out of its way to accommodate Muslim immigrants / refugees? Do you not see that your focus is misdirected?

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Note that China is now confiscating Qurans from Muslim homes and yet we find no protests from any Muslim nation, CAIR or the UN for that matter. Do you not find this unusual? Xinjiang Police Search Uyghur Homes For ‘Illegal Items’

“Other versions should be recalled entirely, even if they were published by the government.”

Imin said that according to the order he received from his superiors, there were “problems” in the earlier version of the Quran related to “some signs of extremism.”

“Therefore, we issued a notice on Jan. 15 urging residents to hand over older Qurans and warning them they would bear the consequences if banned versions were found in their homes,” he said.

“As a result, most of them brought their Qurans to us. We gathered all [the books] at the village office and [earlier this month] we took them to the office of United Front Work Department,” he added, referring to a Communist Party agency responsible for handling relations with China’s non-party elite.

Only materials signed off on by official religious organizations endorsed by the ruling Chinese Communist Party are considered legal to own and use for worship in China, and Imin did not explain how a state-sanctioned version of the Quran might have been deemed “extremist” by authorities.

Imam Rishit, the party secretary of Barin’s No. 2 village, said that while the recall was only issued for Qurans published prior to 2012, residents of his village turned in every version of the Quran they owned, “most likely to [do whatever they can to] stay out of trouble.”

“We collected 382 of them and they will be taken to the township government,” he said.

“The type of work we are doing right now is meant to discourage residents from reading older versions of the Quran by warning them that they will be contaminated by extremist ideas. Therefore, the Uyghurs have been bringing their Qurans to us—even the ones they inherited from their grandparents.”

Rishit said authorities in his village had also confiscated “plates and decorative items with the inscriptions ‘Muhammed’ and ‘Allah’ on them” during the sweep of homes since January.

Anti-Islamic policies

Overseas Uyghurs slammed the Quran ban as merely another bid by Chinese authorities to exert more control over the Xinjiang region by linking their ethnic group’s cultural traditions to terrorism and promoting more government-friendly versions.

“The real objective of the Chinese government is to alienate Uyghur people from the true belief of Islam,” said Turghunjan Alawudin, Religious Commission chairman of the Munich-based World Uyghur Congress (WUC) exile group.

“China is attempting to justify its wholesale repression of the Uyghur people by distorting the teachings of the Holy Quran, Hadith [the sayings of the Prophet Muhammed] and Islamic theology passed down to us by our forefathers.”

Alawudin said that Beijing is working to ensure that the “accepted” version of the Quran legitimizes its “repressive policies” in Xinjiang and teaches the Uyghur people to “submit.”

“In Islam, we must follow Allah and the teachings of Muhammed, but the Chinese government is distorting the Quran by adding passages about submission to authorities so that Uyghurs will acquiesce to its illegitimate and dictatorial rule over our homeland,” he said.

“China’s goal is to use the new translated Quran to confuse the minds of believers and to serve its own political purposes.”

Alawudin denounced any version of the Quran that had been translated from the original Arabic into the Uyghur language by “atheists or communists,” saying only “learned Islamic scholars and true believers” are worthy of translating the holy book.

WUC spokesperson Dilxat Raxit echoed Alawudin’s concerns over what constitutes a legitimate version of the Quran.

“Only independent Islamic researchers and highly-trained religious scholars—not the atheistic Chinese government—should have the authority to pronounce which version of the Quran is correct,” he said.

“Instead of changing the Quran—the Holy Book of all Muslims—China should change its anti-Islamic policies against the Uyghur people disguised as anti-extremism.”

China regularly conducts “strike hard” campaigns in Xinjiang, including police raids on Uyghur households, restrictions on Islamic practices, and curbs on the culture and language of the Uyghur people, including videos and other material.


Reported by Shohret Hoshur for RFA’s Uyghur Service. Translated by Mamatjan Juma and Alim Seytoff. Written in English by Joshua Lipes.

If Muslims believe their Quran to be a Holy Book then why aren't any of you speaking out about China publishing their own Qurans and confiscating and destroying all the Qurans your Muslim brethren have which were published later than 2012? Why aren't any Muslims speaking out against this? Why has CAIR, ISNA, Muslim Brotherhood, MSA, the UN, the Islamic nations remained silent about China destroying Qurans and publishing State Qurans which are rewritten / revised and demand the Muslims to submit to their Communist regime? @AncientLion would you consider this to be an act of anti-Muslim hatred? How about a greater act of anti-Muslim hatred when compared to the policies of the US Government, the EU, etc.? If it is greater in your estimation than why is it ignored? Not a single protest, Iran isn't burning any Chinese flags, where is the outrage over this? Do you see a double standard here? How about hypocrisy, @AncientLion?

 

[irosie91]

good idea... BAD NEWS----ramadingdong is ending this weekend and I do not YET have an invitation to the
IFTAR thing. Even worse-----Donald and Ivanka----besides not inviting me, are not doing an IFTAR "DO"
this year

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Maybe it is human nature to paint an entire group based on the actions of it's fringe members. Taint fair though, or honest to label every muslim person as described above; it's like saying every white person hates and discriminates against black people and would lynch 'em given the chance. Not true, throughout history there have been a militaristic few bent on murder and destruction to further whatever their cause is, and many times it wasn't the most altruistic. So, you can hate 'em all if you want to, but that won't solve anything.

Fringe? Millions follow the radical umbrella, fringe my ass.

 

[Brynmr]

There are predictable ingredients in a Muslim-hatred souffle. You mix the following ingredients:

Remain superficial.
Do not study the Quran deeply. Best to rely on Google or websites that cherry pick verses out of context to make their point, or weave together the most offensive quotations available from Imams or rulings of Islamic jurors over time. How hard can it be to grasp the ins and outs of a 1500-year-old religious tradition whose texts are written mostly in languages you don’t understand, which spans countries and continents and has billions of adherents? Judaism could be well understood after several hours on anti-Semitic websites, right? And Atheist websites would be a great guide to the history of Christianity? Right. So stick to anti-Islam websites for your information. What could go wrong?

Essentialism.

The belief that Muslims (or most Muslims, say) are of a type. The Muslim is backward, misogynistic, violent, primitive, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, fundamentalist. You ignore the cultural diversity of Muslims. You ignore the differences in belief, custom, and degree of religiosity among them. You ignore the great artistic, scientific, and philosophical achievements of Muslims past and present.

Definition by the worst.
You form your picture of Islam according to the worst behavior you can find among Muslims. Your image of a Muslim is based on ISIS, Al-Quaeda, Saudi Wahabis or hatred spewing Imams you’ve seen on Youtube. You ignore the Muslims who live in friendship and harmony with non-Muslims, who volunteer their time as doctors or humanitarian workers or who fight for human rights or denounce, again and again, terrorism and religious violence. If you do acknowledge these Muslims, you see them as aberrations from the true Muslim type as in #1 above, refusing to see the obvious fact that these Muslims are, well, also Muslims and it is just as reasonable to believe their actions are motivated by aspects of Islam as it is to believe ISIS is.

More ingredients : Are You Contributing To Islamophobia? A Recipe For Anti-Muslim Hatred

The result:

Typical brainwashed loon (No one with an online account).

What a pile of crap.

Straw Man Argument

A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar yet weaker proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position

 

[Brynmr]

Fuck you, Islam warrants hating. No, you aren't going to take over the world.

List of Islamist terrorist attacks - Wikipedia

He was referring to hatred of Moslems, not hatred of Islam. No one hates the people other than the bad ones of course. The OP clearly doesn't get it.

 

[Blackrook]

I never had a problem with Islam until 9/11. That's when I learned that all that death and destruction was inspired by a religious book called the Koran. I think it's a rational response to hate a religion that teaches its followers to kill for God.

 

[RWNJ]

Maybe it is human nature to paint an entire group based on the actions of it's fringe members. Taint fair though, or honest to label every muslim person as described above; it's like saying every white person hates and discriminates against black people and would lynch 'em given the chance. Not true, throughout history there have been a militaristic few bent on murder and destruction to further whatever their cause is, and many times it wasn't the most altruistic. So, you can hate 'em all if you want to, but that won't solve anything.

Fringe? Millions follow the radical umbrella, fringe my ass.

There is no such thing as a 'moderate' Muslim.

 

[Doc1]

There are predictable ingredients in a Muslim-hatred souffle. You mix the following ingredients:

Remain superficial.
Do not study the Quran deeply. Best to rely on Google or websites that cherry pick verses out of context to make their point, or weave together the most offensive quotations available from Imams or rulings of Islamic jurors over time. How hard can it be to grasp the ins and outs of a 1500-year-old religious tradition whose texts are written mostly in languages you don’t understand, which spans countries and continents and has billions of adherents? Judaism could be well understood after several hours on anti-Semitic websites, right? And Atheist websites would be a great guide to the history of Christianity? Right. So stick to anti-Islam websites for your information. What could go wrong?

Essentialism.

The belief that Muslims (or most Muslims, say) are of a type. The Muslim is backward, misogynistic, violent, primitive, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, fundamentalist. You ignore the cultural diversity of Muslims. You ignore the differences in belief, custom, and degree of religiosity among them. You ignore the great artistic, scientific, and philosophical achievements of Muslims past and present.

Definition by the worst.
You form your picture of Islam according to the worst behavior you can find among Muslims. Your image of a Muslim is based on ISIS, Al-Quaeda, Saudi Wahabis or hatred spewing Imams you’ve seen on Youtube. You ignore the Muslims who live in friendship and harmony with non-Muslims, who volunteer their time as doctors or humanitarian workers or who fight for human rights or denounce, again and again, terrorism and religious violence. If you do acknowledge these Muslims, you see them as aberrations from the true Muslim type as in #1 above, refusing to see the obvious fact that these Muslims are, well, also Muslims and it is just as reasonable to believe their actions are motivated by aspects of Islam as it is to believe ISIS is.

More ingredients : Are You Contributing To Islamophobia? A Recipe For Anti-Muslim Hatred

The result:

Typical brainwashed loon (No one with an online account).

Typical ill informed, ill educated apologist. Islam was founded in Sharia violence. The Ottoman Empire was violent and dedicated to world domination. The Islamic Apostates are those that practice "moderation".

 

[RWNJ]

There are predictable ingredients in a Muslim-hatred souffle. You mix the following ingredients:

Remain superficial.
Do not study the Quran deeply. Best to rely on Google or websites that cherry pick verses out of context to make their point, or weave together the most offensive quotations available from Imams or rulings of Islamic jurors over time. How hard can it be to grasp the ins and outs of a 1500-year-old religious tradition whose texts are written mostly in languages you don’t understand, which spans countries and continents and has billions of adherents? Judaism could be well understood after several hours on anti-Semitic websites, right? And Atheist websites would be a great guide to the history of Christianity? Right. So stick to anti-Islam websites for your information. What could go wrong?

Essentialism.

The belief that Muslims (or most Muslims, say) are of a type. The Muslim is backward, misogynistic, violent, primitive, anti-Semitic, anti-Christian, fundamentalist. You ignore the cultural diversity of Muslims. You ignore the differences in belief, custom, and degree of religiosity among them. You ignore the great artistic, scientific, and philosophical achievements of Muslims past and present.

Definition by the worst.
You form your picture of Islam according to the worst behavior you can find among Muslims. Your image of a Muslim is based on ISIS, Al-Quaeda, Saudi Wahabis or hatred spewing Imams you’ve seen on Youtube. You ignore the Muslims who live in friendship and harmony with non-Muslims, who volunteer their time as doctors or humanitarian workers or who fight for human rights or denounce, again and again, terrorism and religious violence. If you do acknowledge these Muslims, you see them as aberrations from the true Muslim type as in #1 above, refusing to see the obvious fact that these Muslims are, well, also Muslims and it is just as reasonable to believe their actions are motivated by aspects of Islam as it is to believe ISIS is.

More ingredients : Are You Contributing To Islamophobia? A Recipe For Anti-Muslim Hatred

The result:

Typical brainwashed loon (No one with an online account).

Typical ill informed, ill educated apologist. Islam was founded in Sharia violence. The Ottoman Empire was violent and dedicated to world domination. The Islamic Apostates are those that practice "moderation".

Guess it's time to post this again. Here is the truth about the religion of 'peace'.

The Story of Mohammed: Introduction