Adding to the debate about whether we are in a constitutional crisis.

[Lesh]

Whether you, or I, or Tom Homan likes it in this country the men who were deported are afforded due process before they can legally be removed.

Weren't they afforded due process? That is so sad. I may actually shed a tear.

They were not.

And in case you hadn’t heard… the Founding Fathers thought even the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre deserved due process and in fact future President John Adams defended them

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

They were not.

And in case you hadn’t heard… the Founding Fathers thought even the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre deserved due process and in fact future President John Adams defended them

Stop it! I'm gonna cry.

Nope, I'm over it.

 

[Lesh]

Stop it! I'm gonna cry.

Nope, I'm over it.

Interesting that you feel that way about Constitutional rights

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Interesting that you feel that way about Constitutional rights

I'm not very concerned about the Constitutional rights of illegal alien gang members.

 

[berg80]

I'm not very concerned about the Constitutional rights of illegal alien gang members.

The debate is over as to whether the nation has reached a tipping point. The right question is not if there is a constitutional crisis, but rather how much damage it will cause. With a petulant, serial law breaker like Dotard surrounded by toadies at the helm it was only a matter of when.

The point isn't who is at the heart of the matter. The point is whether the Felon-in-Chief will obey the law.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The debate is over as to whether the nation has reached a tipping point. The right question is not if there is a constitutional crisis, but rather how much damage it will cause. With a petulant, serial law breaker like Dotard surrounded by toadies at the helm it was only a matter of when.

The point isn't who is at the heart of the matter. The point is whether the Felon-in-Chief will obey the law.

The debate is over as to whether the nation has reached a tipping point.

15 million illegal aliens under Biden, that's pretty close to a tipping point.

Let's see how many left-wing judges try to throw themselves under the bus for illegal alien gang-members, for dudes in girls locker rooms and for wasteful, unaccountable, corrupt spending that we can no longer afford.

 

[Nostra]

If you mean in regards to student loans

Yes it mattered and no he didn’t

Fail

Sure he did. Get educated, Simp

 

[berg80]

The debate is over as to whether the nation has reached a tipping point.

15 million illegal aliens under Biden, that's pretty close to a tipping point.

Let's see how many left-wing judges try to throw themselves under the bus for illegal alien gang-members, for dudes in girls locker rooms and for wasteful, unaccountable, corrupt spending that we can no longer afford.

If Boasberg was the partisan hack Team trump has made him out to be he would already have held the admin in contempt.

The Trump administration will get a one-day reprieve from having to reveal details of the timeline relating to when it removed detainees under Trump’s Alien Enemies Act proclamation — but there’s a catch.

D.C. Chief Judge James Boasberg issued the order hours after receiving an insult-laden demand from the Trump administration to retract the deadline.

In his subtly snarky Wednesday response, Boasberg told the DOJ that it could take another day to provide critical information about when two planes carrying people deported under Trump’s Alien Enemies Act left the U.S., how many people deported under the proclamation were onboard, and when they were transferred to foreign custody.

The information is key to determining whether the administration violated a Saturday order from Boasberg directing the government to return the planes and stop further removals under the proclamation.

But Boasberg made clear in his order that he’s not buying the Trump administration’s arguments for why it does not have to supply the information. He ordered DOJ lawyers to provide the information by noon on Thursday, or to invoke the state secrets doctrine, citing an accompanying justification.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...-on-producing-evidence-on-flouted-court-order

 

[Dragonlady]

So, the purpose of the Judiciary is to keep the Legislative and Executive branch in check when the go BEYOND the Constitutional limits. In other words, someone has to have standing in a court and make a claim that some government agency is breaking the Constitution.

The Executive, exercising long standing and Constituional power, does not fall under the Judiciary.

Those who brought the lawsuit against the Executive have not made any attempt, as far as I can see, to state that they are outside the Constitution.

Therefore, we have no crisis because the Federal Judge stepped outside his authority.

Although you try to portray this as a "natural conclusion", your logic is deeply flawed.

First off, NO ONE can be deported without "due process". If the government has proof of their claims, then bring them to court and get a deportation order.

Trump is simply picking people up off the streets and loading them into planes and shipping them off to a prison in El Salvador without even filing charges.

Who's next to be "disappeared". Your American born neighbour who hates Trump????

 

[SeaMajor7]

The debate is over as to whether the nation has reached a tipping point. The right question is not if there is a constitutional crisis, but rather how much damage it will cause. With a petulant, serial law breaker like Dotard surrounded by toadies at the helm it was only a matter of when.

The point isn't who is at the heart of the matter. The point is whether the Felon-in-Chief will obey the law.

Keep pushing, Stalinberg..........you may get what you wish for with that rhetoric.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Although you try to portray this as a "natural conclusion", your logic is deeply flawed.

First off, NO ONE can be deported without "due process". If the government has proof of their claims, then bring them to court and get a deportation order.

Trump is simply picking people up off the streets and loading them into planes and shipping them off to a prison in El Salvador without even filing charges.

Who's next to be "disappeared". Your American born neighbour who hates Trump????

Trump is simply picking people up off the streets and loading them into planes and shipping them off to a prison in El Salvador without even filing charges.

Wow, how sad!

Yawn.

 

[Dragonlady]

Sure he did. Get educated, Simp

You're the one who needs an education, FuckBoi. Desperately. One line responses calling people "liars", or "stupid" tell us that every time you post. Whoever is paying you to post here certainly isn't getting much for their money.

The subject is Trump's Constitutional crisis, not an EO being overturned. Trump keeps trying to do things that he has no authority to do - like cancelling spending previously approved by Congress. Or deporting people without due process.

Trump is a convicted felon who has no regard for the law or the Constitution. He keeps trying to eliminate all limits on his power as President. Congress isn't stopping him. The Courts are the only thing keeping Trump from becoming "dictator for life:", since there is no one to even slow him down in Congress. You can google it FuckBoi!

Shouldn't you be at work right now???? 1000 messages a month for the past 6 years says that making brainless posts here, is the only work you do. Whatever they're paying you, is too much.

 

[berg80]

15 million illegal aliens under Biden, that's pretty close to a tipping point.

DEFLECTION ALERT!

 

[berg80]

If Boasberg was the partisan hack Team trump has made him out to be he would already have held the admin in contempt.

The Trump administration will get a one-day reprieve from having to reveal details of the timeline relating to when it removed detainees under Trump’s Alien Enemies Act proclamation — but there’s a catch.

D.C. Chief Judge James Boasberg issued the order hours after receiving an insult-laden demand from the Trump administration to retract the deadline.

In his subtly snarky Wednesday response, Boasberg told the DOJ that it could take another day to provide critical information about when two planes carrying people deported under Trump’s Alien Enemies Act left the U.S., how many people deported under the proclamation were onboard, and when they were transferred to foreign custody.

The information is key to determining whether the administration violated a Saturday order from Boasberg directing the government to return the planes and stop further removals under the proclamation.

But Boasberg made clear in his order that he’s not buying the Trump administration’s arguments for why it does not have to supply the information. He ordered DOJ lawyers to provide the information by noon on Thursday, or to invoke the state secrets doctrine, citing an accompanying justification.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/...-on-producing-evidence-on-flouted-court-order

“It thus appears to be an uncommon occurrence for the disclosure of unclassified information to threaten state secrets,” Boasberg wrote.

The guy has some game.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

DEFLECTION ALERT!

What's the tipping point? 16 million? 18 million? 20 million?

 

[Dragonlady]

Trump is simply picking people up off the streets and loading them into planes and shipping them off to a prison in El Salvador without even filing charges.

Wow, how sad!

Yawn.

I look forward to the day when YOUR rights have no meaning.

There has never been a dictatorship in world history that worked out well for the citizens under their rule. Not economically and certainly not in terms of citizens' rights either.

After Pinochet overthrew the government of Chile, with the help of the CIA, he rounded up all of the leftist leaders and murdered them. No one dared oppose him. Those who did were "disappeared". Chile is one of the top 20 "best countries in the world to do business in". No laws or regulations to slow you down at all.

Trump has instructed "his DOJ" to prosecute those who opposed him, and prosecuted him. He has attempted to sanction law firms who took him to court and WON. Even though everyone he appointed to the FBI and the DOJ assured the Senate that "retribution" wouldn't happen under their watch, Trump is getting ready to jail his opponents, in essence, for proving that Trump is a criminal.

 

[Dragonlady]

“It thus appears to be an uncommon occurrence for the disclosure of unclassified information to threaten state secrets,” Boasberg wrote.

The guy has some game.

What demonstrates that the Administration has balls, if nothing else, is their attempt to portray the domestic "deportation" of foreign nationals as some sort of "foreign policy" on the part of the Administration.

Now they're trying to make the argument that King Donald cannot have his policies overturned by some law school hack. That's not going to fly either.

Having a tame Congress which will not oppose him, Trump is now sending his lying minions out to undermine the Courts.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I look forward to the day when YOUR rights have no meaning.

There has never been a dictatorship in world history that worked out well for the citizens under their rule. Not economically and certainly not in terms of citizens' rights either.

After Pinochet overthrew the government of Chile, with the help of the CIA, he rounded up all of the leftist leaders and murdered them. No one dared oppose him. Those who did were "disappeared". Chile is one of the top 20 "best countries in the world to do business in". No laws or regulations to slow you down at all.

Trump has instructed "his DOJ" to prosecute those who opposed him, and prosecuted him. He has attempted to sanction law firms who took him to court and WON. Even though everyone he appointed to the FBI and the DOJ assured the Senate that "retribution" wouldn't happen under their watch, Trump is getting ready to jail his opponents, in essence, for proving that Trump is a criminal.

There has never been a dictatorship in world history that worked out well for the citizens under their rule. Not economically and certainly not in terms of citizens' rights either.

No kidding, Justin really fucked up your country.

After Pinochet overthrew the government of Chile, with the help of the CIA, he rounded up all of the leftist leaders and murdered them.

Good times!

Trump has instructed "his DOJ" to prosecute those who opposed him, and prosecuted him.

What's good for the goose, eh comrade?

for proving that Trump is a criminal.

What could be worse than bookkeeping misdemeanors beyond the statute of limitations?

 

[berg80]

There has never been a dictatorship in world history that worked out well for the citizens under their rule. Not economically and certainly not in terms of citizens' rights either.

No kidding, Justin really fucked up your country.

After Pinochet overthrew the government of Chile, with the help of the CIA, he rounded up all of the leftist leaders and murdered them.

Good times!

Trump has instructed "his DOJ" to prosecute those who opposed him, and prosecuted him.

What's good for the goose, eh comrade?

for proving that Trump is a criminal.

What could be worse than bookkeeping misdemeanors beyond the statute of limitations?

A federal judge in Washington edged closer on Thursday to holding the Trump administration in contempt for possibly having violated an order he issued last weekend pausing the deportation of scores of Venezuelan immigrants under a rarely invoked wartime statute.

In an angrily written order, the judge, James E. Boasberg, told the administration to explain to him by Tuesday why officials had not violated his instructions when they allowed two flights of immigrants to continue on to El Salvador even after he directed the planes to return to the United States.

Judge Boasberg also called out efforts by the Justice Department to repeatedly stonewall his attempts to get information about the timing of the flights.

“The government again evaded its obligations,” he wrote, adding that the Justice Department’s most recent filing about the flights was “woefully insufficient.”

Administration’s Details on Deportation Flights ‘Woefully Insufficient,’ Judge Says​

In an angry order, the judge, James E. Boasberg, told the Trump administration to explain why he should not find that officials had violated his instructions for the flights to return to the United States.

Boasberg should already have found the admin in contempt.

 

[Nostra]

You're the one who needs an education, FuckBoi. Desperately. One line responses calling people "liars", or "stupid" tell us that every time you post. Whoever is paying you to post here certainly isn't getting much for their money.

The subject is Trump's Constitutional crisis, not an EO being overturned. Trump keeps trying to do things that he has no authority to do - like cancelling spending previously approved by Congress. Or deporting people without due process.

Trump is a convicted felon who has no regard for the law or the Constitution. He keeps trying to eliminate all limits on his power as President. Congress isn't stopping him. The Courts are the only thing keeping Trump from becoming "dictator for life:", since there is no one to even slow him down in Congress. You can google it FuckBoi!

Shouldn't you be at work right now???? 1000 messages a month for the past 6 years says that making brainless posts here, is the only work you do. Whatever they're paying you, is too much.

Biden was slapped by the Supreme Court TWICE for his fake student loan forgiveness schemes, Stupid.

You know less than zero.