Adding to the debate about whether we are in a constitutional crisis.

[Nostra]

The most curious aspect of this whole incident Is that the president actually does have the authority to deport criminal aliens in the country illegally. But in order to do it legally the case that these immigrants actually engaged in criminal behavior has to first be adjudicated.

It was adjudicated. They got adjudicated right out of the USA.

 

[berg80]

Rebuked? Wow!
Sounds serious.
DURR

calling for the judge's impeachment, essentially judge shopping, is extra constitutional and completely inappropriate.

Only the left is allowed to judge shop, eh comrade?

It needs to be recognized that the trump administration lied about the people who were sent to Quantanamo. They made claims that those people were the "worst of the worst." It didn't take long before the administration walked back that assertion. So in reality they cannot be relied on to tell the truth about the people who were deported to El Salvador. Nobody wants criminal gang members walking the streets. But the processes in place to remove those people from the country need to be followed or we are no longer the country we used to be.

 

[Delldude]

The most curious aspect of this whole incident Is that the president actually does have the authority to deport criminal aliens in the country illegally. But in order to do it legally the case that these immigrants actually engaged in criminal behavior has to first be adjudicated.

And you can support this claim, that they haven't been engaged/ or charged in criminal behavior?

Quite curious.

 

[Delldude]

It needs to be recognized that the trump administration lied about the people who were sent to Quantanamo.

You have specific examples or leftist BS?

They made claims that those people were the "worst of the worst." It didn't take long before the administration walked back that assertion.

Please explain that.............I am aware, as it was admitted, there were housing compliance issues. No chance you could elaborate?

So in reality they cannot be relied on to tell the truth about the people who were deported to El Salvador.

No examples or just more left wing BS?

But the processes in place to remove those people from the country need to be followed or we are no longer the country we used to be.

I'm pretty sure they were, unless you have different info.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It needs to be recognized that the trump administration lied about the people who were sent to Quantanamo. They made claims that those people were the "worst of the worst." It didn't take long before the administration walked back that assertion. So in reality they cannot be relied on to tell the truth about the people who were deported to El Salvador. Nobody wants criminal gang members walking the streets. But the processes in place to remove those people from the country need to be followed or we are no longer the country we used to be.

They can appeal when they get back home.

We'll give it all the attention it deserves.

or we are no longer the country we used to be.

I agree, we're no longer Biden's failed America.

 

[Delldude]

The most curious aspect of this whole incident Is that the president actually does have the authority to deport criminal aliens in the country illegally. But in order to do it legally the case that these immigrants actually engaged in criminal behavior has to first be adjudicated.

Which should bring one to the next revelation........the people advising illegals 'they have to have a warrant signed by a judge' should fit your definition.

 

[berg80]

They can appeal when they get back home.

Not surprisingly you missed the point. First things first. Whether you, or I, or Tom Homan likes it in this country the men who were deported are afforded due process before they can legally be removed. For that reason trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act, because it allows for deportation without adjudication of cases against those being removed. But the AEA is a wartime authority given to the prez requiring the US to be engaged in a declared war before it can be used. So it's application in this matter is illegal.

In 1798, with the U.S. preparing for what it believed would be a war with France, Congress passed a series of laws that increased the federal government’s reach. Worried that immigrants could sympathize with the French, the Alien Enemies Act was created to give the president wide powers to imprison and deport non-citizens in time of war.

Since then, the act has been used just three times: during the War of 1812, World War I and World War II.
Critics say Trump is wrongly using the act to target non-state actors, not foreign governments.

“Invoking it in peacetime to bypass conventional immigration law would be a staggering abuse,” the Brennan Center for Justice wrote, calling it “at odds with centuries of legislative, presidential, and judicial practice.”

“Summary detentions and deportations under the law conflict with contemporary understandings of equal protection and due process,” the Brennan Center said.

The Alien Enemies Act: What to know about a 1798 law that Trump has invoked for deportations

The act is a sweeping wartime authority that allows noncitizens to be deported without being given the opportunity to go before a judge.

www.nbcnews.com

This goes above and beyond whether the trump admin should be held in contempt for defying the judge's order, which it clearly did.

 

[berg80]

In the days since the federal government sent hundreds of Venezuelan immigrants to a prison in El Salvador, Washington has been debating whether the White House did indeed defy a federal judge who ordered the deportation flights to turn around and head back to the United States.

But beyond the Trump administration’s evident animus for the judge and the court, more basic questions remain unsettled and largely unanswered: Were the men who were expelled to El Salvador in fact all gang members, as the United States asserts, and how did the authorities make that determination about each of the roughly 200 people who were spirited out of the country even as a federal judge was weighing their fate?

The Trump White House has said that most of the immigrants deported were members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, which, like many transnational criminal organizations, has a presence in the United States. Amid the record numbers of migrants arriving at the southern border in recent years, the gang’s presence in some American cities became a rallying cry for Donald J. Trump as he campaigned to return to the White House, claiming immigrants were invading the country.

After Mr. Trump returned to power in January, Tren de Aragua remained a regular talking point for him and his immigration advisers, and the deportation flights last week were the administration’s most significant move yet to make good on its promise to go after the gang. But officials have disclosed little about how the men were identified as gang members and what due process, if any, they were accorded before being placed on flights to El Salvador, where the authoritarian government, allied with Mr. Trump, has agreed to hold the prisoners in exchange for a multimillion-dollar payment.

Trump Officials Say Deportees Were Gang Members. So Far, Few Details.

Families and immigration lawyers argue not all of the deportees sent to a prison in El Salvador over the weekend had ties to gangs.

www.nytimes.com

 

[SeaMajor7]

Not surprisingly you missed the point. First things first. Whether you, or I, or Tom Homan likes it in this country the men who were deported are afforded due process before they can legally be removed. For that reason trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act, because it allows for deportation without adjudication of cases against those being removed. But the AEA is a wartime authority given to the prez requiring the US to be engaged in a declared war before it can be used. So it's application in this matter is illegal.

In 1798, with the U.S. preparing for what it believed would be a war with France, Congress passed a series of laws that increased the federal government’s reach. Worried that immigrants could sympathize with the French, the Alien Enemies Act was created to give the president wide powers to imprison and deport non-citizens in time of war.

Since then, the act has been used just three times: during the War of 1812, World War I and World War II.
Critics say Trump is wrongly using the act to target non-state actors, not foreign governments.

“Invoking it in peacetime to bypass conventional immigration law would be a staggering abuse,” the Brennan Center for Justice wrote, calling it “at odds with centuries of legislative, presidential, and judicial practice.”

“Summary detentions and deportations under the law conflict with contemporary understandings of equal protection and due process,” the Brennan Center said.

The Alien Enemies Act: What to know about a 1798 law that Trump has invoked for deportations

The act is a sweeping wartime authority that allows noncitizens to be deported without being given the opportunity to go before a judge.

www.nbcnews.com

This goes above and beyond whether the trump admin should be held in contempt for defying the judge's order, which it clearly did.

It is AMAZING how the demented LEFT are SO MAD about deporting CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Keep shining the light on yourselves.........

 

[SeaMajor7]

In the days since the federal government sent hundreds of Venezuelan immigrants to a prison in El Salvador, Washington has been debating whether the White House did indeed defy a federal judge who ordered the deportation flights to turn around and head back to the United States.

But beyond the Trump administration’s evident animus for the judge and the court, more basic questions remain unsettled and largely unanswered: Were the men who were expelled to El Salvador in fact all gang members, as the United States asserts, and how did the authorities make that determination about each of the roughly 200 people who were spirited out of the country even as a federal judge was weighing their fate?

The Trump White House has said that most of the immigrants deported were members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua, which, like many transnational criminal organizations, has a presence in the United States. Amid the record numbers of migrants arriving at the southern border in recent years, the gang’s presence in some American cities became a rallying cry for Donald J. Trump as he campaigned to return to the White House, claiming immigrants were invading the country.

After Mr. Trump returned to power in January, Tren de Aragua remained a regular talking point for him and his immigration advisers, and the deportation flights last week were the administration’s most significant move yet to make good on its promise to go after the gang. But officials have disclosed little about how the men were identified as gang members and what due process, if any, they were accorded before being placed on flights to El Salvador, where the authoritarian government, allied with Mr. Trump, has agreed to hold the prisoners in exchange for a multimillion-dollar payment.

Trump Officials Say Deportees Were Gang Members. So Far, Few Details.

Families and immigration lawyers argue not all of the deportees sent to a prison in El Salvador over the weekend had ties to gangs.

www.nytimes.com

Keep CRYING over your dear CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS, Stalinberg.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[Delldude]

Not surprisingly you missed the point. First things first. Whether you, or I, or Tom Homan likes it in this country the men who were deported are afforded due process before they can legally be removed. For that reason trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act, because it allows for deportation without adjudication of cases against those being removed. But the AEA is a wartime authority given to the prez requiring the US to be engaged in a declared war before it can be used. So it's application in this matter is illegal.

In 1798, with the U.S. preparing for what it believed would be a war with France, Congress passed a series of laws that increased the federal government’s reach. Worried that immigrants could sympathize with the French, the Alien Enemies Act was created to give the president wide powers to imprison and deport non-citizens in time of war.

Since then, the act has been used just three times: during the War of 1812, World War I and World War II.
Critics say Trump is wrongly using the act to target non-state actors, not foreign governments.

“Invoking it in peacetime to bypass conventional immigration law would be a staggering abuse,” the Brennan Center for Justice wrote, calling it “at odds with centuries of legislative, presidential, and judicial practice.”

“Summary detentions and deportations under the law conflict with contemporary understandings of equal protection and due process,” the Brennan Center said.

The Alien Enemies Act: What to know about a 1798 law that Trump has invoked for deportations

The act is a sweeping wartime authority that allows noncitizens to be deported without being given the opportunity to go before a judge.

www.nbcnews.com

This goes above and beyond whether the trump admin should be held in contempt for defying the judge's order, which it clearly did.

But it was okay when Biden defied Scotus

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The most curious aspect of this whole incident Is that the president actually does have the authority to deport criminal aliens in the country illegally. But in order to do it legally the case that these immigrants actually engaged in criminal behavior has to first be adjudicated.

.



Being in this country illegally IS criminal behavior.




.

 

[berg80]

It is AMAZING how the demented LEFT are SO MAD about deporting CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIENS.
Keep shining the light on yourselves.........

Try to focus. The government has not proven in court the men who were deported are criminals as required by law. Secondly, the Alien Enemies Act can only be invoked at a time of war. Keep shinning a light on your ignorance........though it's getting so bright sunglasses are needed to examine it.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Try to focus. The government has not proven in court the men who were deported are criminals as required by law. Secondly, the Alien Enemies Act can only be invoked at a time of war. Keep shinning a light on your ignorance........though it's getting so bright sunglasses are needed to examine it.

Your criminal gang members were designated as TERRORISTS.
They got what they DESERVED.
Your pity for them makes you an accessory.
GFY

 

[22lcidw]

It needs to be recognized that the trump administration lied about the people who were sent to Quantanamo. They made claims that those people were the "worst of the worst." It didn't take long before the administration walked back that assertion. So in reality they cannot be relied on to tell the truth about the people who were deported to El Salvador. Nobody wants criminal gang members walking the streets. But the processes in place to remove those people from the country need to be followed or we are no longer the country we used to be.

You must live in a main line of a city or in Marthas Vinyard or something comparable.

 

[Lesh]

Everyone understands that the Courts have to abide by ONLY the authority they have, right?

The courts authority is not unfettered and uncheckable.

Constitutionally …Court rulings are to be obeyed or challenged on appeal.

The only other option is Congress.

Constitutionally… if that matters

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Try to focus. The government has not proven in court the men who were deported are criminals as required by law. Secondly, the Alien Enemies Act can only be invoked at a time of war. Keep shinning a light on your ignorance........though it's getting so bright sunglasses are needed to examine it.

.



Wrong.

Being in this country without the aegis of the government is criminal.




.

 

[Lesh]

What are you going to do about it?

Call you out on it. Loudly and often and call Trump out as well

 

[sparky]

But the processes in place to remove those people from the country need to be followed or we are no longer the country we used to be.

we can not trot the torch of freedom around this rock, without serving as example to it Berg

~S~

 

[Delldude]

Constitutionally …Court rulings are to be obeyed or challenged on appeal.

The only other option is Congress.

Constitutionally… if that matters

Except for Biden?