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An Arab Palestinian tells the truth about Israel and "Apartheid"
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RoccoR
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et al,
I have a tendency here to agree.
Apartheid is a claim. It is an allegation made that most people don't understand. And in not understanding it, it is easy to manipulate.
It has actually turned-out to be a fairly good Arab Palestinian propaganda device; a moderately successful campaign.
Most Respectfully,
R
I have a tendency here to agree.
(COMMENT)Lets hear the truth from an Arab who's lived among Israelis. This is the truth:
Apartheid is a claim. It is an allegation made that most people don't understand. And in not understanding it, it is easy to manipulate.
It has actually turned-out to be a fairly good Arab Palestinian propaganda device; a moderately successful campaign.
Most Respectfully,
R
P F Tinmore
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4lir-1kR-s]Dr Ghada Karmi @ Israeli Apartheid Week, Middlesex University - UK - YouTube[/ame]
RoccoR
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P F Tinmore, et al,
I ask the question again: What are the two races that are in conflict?
Dr Ghada Karmi was born in West Jerusalem and claims she was forced to leave her home with her family as a result of Israels creation in 1948.
Most of Dr Karmi's address was relative to the "right of return;" and why it is America's fault. It was interesting, but not to terribly informative. I think I've seen this one before.
Interestingly enough, in 1948, the Arab Legion arrived in Jerusalem to find the Zion Gate to the Old City Jewish quarter undefended. There were no Jewish Forces there. The Jordan Legion took up positions inside the Zion Gate cutting off access to Jewish quarter.
Most Respectfully,
R
I ask the question again: What are the two races that are in conflict?
Dr Ghada Karmi @ Israeli Apartheid Week,
Dr Ghada Karmi was born in West Jerusalem and claims she was forced to leave her home with her family as a result of Israels creation in 1948.
Most of Dr Karmi's address was relative to the "right of return;" and why it is America's fault. It was interesting, but not to terribly informative. I think I've seen this one before.
Interestingly enough, in 1948, the Arab Legion arrived in Jerusalem to find the Zion Gate to the Old City Jewish quarter undefended. There were no Jewish Forces there. The Jordan Legion took up positions inside the Zion Gate cutting off access to Jewish quarter.
May 28 said:Jewish quarter of the old city of Jerusalem falls to the Jordan Legion. The inhabitants were protected from the wrath of a lynch mob by the Legion under Abdullah Tell but were ethnically cleaned - noncombatants were expelled to West Jerusalem. About 300 Haganah defenders were taken prisoner and sent to Jordan. The entire quarter including all but one of the synagogues, was demolished by the Arab mob despite efforts of the Legion.
SOURCE: Timeline (Chronology) of Israel War of Independence - 1948 Arab-Israeli War
Most Respectfully,
R
Roudy
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Most of the stuff they are accusing Israel of, Muslims are guilty themselves.P F Tinmore, et al,
I ask the question again: What are the two races that are in conflict?
Dr Ghada Karmi @ Israeli Apartheid Week,
Dr Ghada Karmi was born in West Jerusalem and claims she was forced to leave her home with her family as a result of Israels creation in 1948.
Most of Dr Karmi's address was relative to the "right of return;" and why it is America's fault. It was interesting, but not to terribly informative. I think I've seen this one before.
Interestingly enough, in 1948, the Arab Legion arrived in Jerusalem to find the Zion Gate to the Old City Jewish quarter undefended. There were no Jewish Forces there. The Jordan Legion took up positions inside the Zion Gate cutting off access to Jewish quarter.
May 28 said:Jewish quarter of the old city of Jerusalem falls to the Jordan Legion. The inhabitants were protected from the wrath of a lynch mob by the Legion under Abdullah Tell but were ethnically cleaned - noncombatants were expelled to West Jerusalem. About 300 Haganah defenders were taken prisoner and sent to Jordan. The entire quarter including all but one of the synagogues, was demolished by the Arab mob despite efforts of the Legion.
SOURCE: Timeline (Chronology) of Israel War of Independence - 1948 Arab-Israeli War
Most Respectfully,
R
P F Tinmore
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Israel is a horrible apartheid state, which abuses the rights of its Arab citizens every day!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWGyRd7Q92s]People and Politics | A Woman in the Palestinian Cabinet - YouTube[/ame]
Israel is a horrible apartheid state, which abuses the rights of its Arab citizens every day!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWGyRd7Q92s]People and Politics | A Woman in the Palestinian Cabinet - YouTube[/ame]
Well it's nice to know that the Palestinians don't oppress woman like in some Muslim states. Hopefully, the other Muslim countries that don't allow women in the government/army will take notice of this.
Sweet_Caroline
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Meet the Bedouin Soldier Who Enlisted in the IDF Against His Fathers Wishes
Published on: July 20, 2013
"My father kicked me out when he discovered I enlisted," said Ibrahim. But this Bedouin soldiers dedication to the IDF eventually changed his fathers mind.
When Ibrahim graduated high school with honors, his father thought it would be a waste of time to send the boy to the IDF, convincing him to give up on the army draft and direct his potential towards academic studies. When he enlisted regardless, his father banished him from the house. Now, upon completion of his officers course, Ibrahim describes the pride he holds for his country, the obligation he felt to enlist in the IDF, and the friends he met on his way to completing his dream of serving in the IDF.
In Ibrahim's home village of Bu'eine Nujeidat in northern Israel, military enlistment is routine. Most of the youth are recruited for full army service at age 18, with IDF officers often coming to speak with high school students in the village about contributing to the army in a significant way. Military uniforms hanging to dry on clothes lines outside apartment patios is not an unusual sight for the villages residents. Israeli law, however, does not require them to enlist.
Ibrahim was impacted by the presence of IDF soldiers coming to his school every year, and their discussions about the purpose of the army and the importance of enlisting.
So, he decided to join. When I graduated from high school in 2006, I was all set to join the army, Ibrahim said, indicating that his recruitment date was set for the summer of 2006 - the same summer during which northern Israel was under heavy rocket attack. Those attacks eventually lead to the Second Lebanon War.
His father, however, constantly delayed his enlistment. "My father did not want me to join the army," Ibrahim said. "I had excellent grades. He wanted me to go learn and find a profession. He said having an education was preferable to being in the military. He had no idea what people do in the army, thinking the army is only about war and thats all.
Ibrahim, who grew up in an environment where respect for your father is a supreme value, gave up on his impending draft into an IDF combat unit and instead joined his father, working with him for two years as an usher in his familys business. "My father is a bit of a hardhead, Ibrahim explained. "No one could convince him. I talked with my uncle to convince him. He also didnt succeed. I was only 18 at the time and, as my father said, I had to do what he says.
Dont return home
Although Ibrahim had no choice but to continue living a life without a military uniform, he never let go of the idea of ​​recruitment. "I began to study civil engineering at the Technion university in Haifa. After two years, some of my friends who enlisted in the army were released, and that is when it hit me, he recalled. "I started to think again about enlisting. I decided that Im not waiting anymore and I immediately went to the recruiting office. I completed the necessary tests and medical exams, and I enlisted without anyone knowing," he said.
Ibrahim finally enlisted into the IDF on March 27th, 2011. He was drafted into the Bedouin Desert Reconnaissance Battalion. While he enlisted secretly, Israel is too small a country, and secrets are easily revealed. Shortly after his draft, news of Ibrahim's enlistment reached his family.
Ibrahim painfully recalls his fathers reaction: "My dad called me and said, 'Do not come home. I do not want you at home. The following weeks, he divided his time between the base and in the field, with weekends spent at his aunts house.
After about six weeks, Ibrahim was surprised to receive a phone call from his father. "I was on vacation for a few days, and I got a phone call from my father saying, 'Come home and lets talk. I could not believe it. I called my mother and asked her what was the matter. She also told me, come home, he wants to talk to you.
Following weeks of no contact with his family, Ibrahim returned to the place where he grew up and sat down with his father. Ibrahim discussed the long and difficult conversation he had with his father: "He asked, 'Why did you do that to me? What was missing in your life? Why did you leave school six months before graduating?'" Ibrahim recalled. I told him I was an adult and that I stand by my decision. I am an independent person and I want to determine my own future. Eventually, he accepted it."
After talking with his father and reconciling with his family, Ibrahim returned to base with renewed determination. "After three months I joined the commanders course. He [my father] was happy about that, Ibrahim said with pride. He came to my ceremony.
Eight months later, Ibrahim successfully completed his officers course. Ibrahim's family attended the graduation ceremony, which was held last month.
An integral part of the country
As for his future plans, Ibrahim insists that, for now, his life is in the army. "Id like to stay until I become company commander. I want to contribute to this country. I am a part of this country. Everyone serves in the IDF, and there is no reason that I would not do the same.
Meet the Bedouin Soldier Who Enlisted in the IDF Against His Father?s Wishes ? IDF Blog | The Official Blog of the Israel Defense Forces
Published on: July 20, 2013
"My father kicked me out when he discovered I enlisted," said Ibrahim. But this Bedouin soldiers dedication to the IDF eventually changed his fathers mind.
When Ibrahim graduated high school with honors, his father thought it would be a waste of time to send the boy to the IDF, convincing him to give up on the army draft and direct his potential towards academic studies. When he enlisted regardless, his father banished him from the house. Now, upon completion of his officers course, Ibrahim describes the pride he holds for his country, the obligation he felt to enlist in the IDF, and the friends he met on his way to completing his dream of serving in the IDF.
In Ibrahim's home village of Bu'eine Nujeidat in northern Israel, military enlistment is routine. Most of the youth are recruited for full army service at age 18, with IDF officers often coming to speak with high school students in the village about contributing to the army in a significant way. Military uniforms hanging to dry on clothes lines outside apartment patios is not an unusual sight for the villages residents. Israeli law, however, does not require them to enlist.
Ibrahim was impacted by the presence of IDF soldiers coming to his school every year, and their discussions about the purpose of the army and the importance of enlisting.
So, he decided to join. When I graduated from high school in 2006, I was all set to join the army, Ibrahim said, indicating that his recruitment date was set for the summer of 2006 - the same summer during which northern Israel was under heavy rocket attack. Those attacks eventually lead to the Second Lebanon War.
His father, however, constantly delayed his enlistment. "My father did not want me to join the army," Ibrahim said. "I had excellent grades. He wanted me to go learn and find a profession. He said having an education was preferable to being in the military. He had no idea what people do in the army, thinking the army is only about war and thats all.
Ibrahim, who grew up in an environment where respect for your father is a supreme value, gave up on his impending draft into an IDF combat unit and instead joined his father, working with him for two years as an usher in his familys business. "My father is a bit of a hardhead, Ibrahim explained. "No one could convince him. I talked with my uncle to convince him. He also didnt succeed. I was only 18 at the time and, as my father said, I had to do what he says.
Dont return home
Although Ibrahim had no choice but to continue living a life without a military uniform, he never let go of the idea of ​​recruitment. "I began to study civil engineering at the Technion university in Haifa. After two years, some of my friends who enlisted in the army were released, and that is when it hit me, he recalled. "I started to think again about enlisting. I decided that Im not waiting anymore and I immediately went to the recruiting office. I completed the necessary tests and medical exams, and I enlisted without anyone knowing," he said.
Ibrahim finally enlisted into the IDF on March 27th, 2011. He was drafted into the Bedouin Desert Reconnaissance Battalion. While he enlisted secretly, Israel is too small a country, and secrets are easily revealed. Shortly after his draft, news of Ibrahim's enlistment reached his family.
Ibrahim painfully recalls his fathers reaction: "My dad called me and said, 'Do not come home. I do not want you at home. The following weeks, he divided his time between the base and in the field, with weekends spent at his aunts house.
After about six weeks, Ibrahim was surprised to receive a phone call from his father. "I was on vacation for a few days, and I got a phone call from my father saying, 'Come home and lets talk. I could not believe it. I called my mother and asked her what was the matter. She also told me, come home, he wants to talk to you.
Following weeks of no contact with his family, Ibrahim returned to the place where he grew up and sat down with his father. Ibrahim discussed the long and difficult conversation he had with his father: "He asked, 'Why did you do that to me? What was missing in your life? Why did you leave school six months before graduating?'" Ibrahim recalled. I told him I was an adult and that I stand by my decision. I am an independent person and I want to determine my own future. Eventually, he accepted it."
After talking with his father and reconciling with his family, Ibrahim returned to base with renewed determination. "After three months I joined the commanders course. He [my father] was happy about that, Ibrahim said with pride. He came to my ceremony.
Eight months later, Ibrahim successfully completed his officers course. Ibrahim's family attended the graduation ceremony, which was held last month.
An integral part of the country
As for his future plans, Ibrahim insists that, for now, his life is in the army. "Id like to stay until I become company commander. I want to contribute to this country. I am a part of this country. Everyone serves in the IDF, and there is no reason that I would not do the same.
Meet the Bedouin Soldier Who Enlisted in the IDF Against His Father?s Wishes ? IDF Blog | The Official Blog of the Israel Defense Forces
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If Tinnie has an emergency when visiting that part of the world again, I hope he requests the Arab Muslim doctor who is head of the Emergency Room at Hadassah Hospital. This way he will be comfortable with the person ministering to him. Of course there are other Arab doctors who have jobs in Israeli hospitals.Israel is a horrible apartheid state, which abuses the rights of its Arab citizens every day!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWGyRd7Q92s]People and Politics | A Woman in the Palestinian Cabinet - YouTube[/ame]
Rambam Hospital Haifa ? three inspiring stories « Ray Cook
Sweet_Caroline
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If Tinnie has an emergency when visiting that part of the world again, I hope he requests the Arab Muslim doctor who is head of the Emergency Room at Hadassah Hospital. This way he will be comfortable with the person ministering to him. Of course there are other Arab doctors who have jobs in Israeli hospitals.Israel is a horrible apartheid state, which abuses the rights of its Arab citizens every day!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWGyRd7Q92s]People and Politics | A Woman in the Palestinian Cabinet - YouTube[/ame]
Rambam Hospital Haifa ? three inspiring stories « Ray Cook
And if Tinnie has a problem with being in the same ward as Jewish and Christian patients then he can self-discharge from care, because there are no Muslim-only or Jewish-only wards - no 'apartheid' in hospital care.
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