dilloduck
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I even question mandatory school from time to time---I realize we need to educate kids but is this the best way to go about it ?
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dilloduck said:I even question mandatory school from time to time---I realize we need to educate kids but is this the best way to go about it ?
homeschool them. keep them away from the "others". that would be the best way to ensure they get a quality education away from crap like that. that way you can teach the bible til your blue inthe face and no one cares.dilloduck said:I even question mandatory school from time to time---I realize we need to educate kids but is this the best way to go about it ?
Johnney said:homeschool them. keep them away from the "others". that would be the best way to ensure they get a quality education away from crap like that. that way you can teach the bible til your blue inthe face and no one cares.
thats true. do they really think that minimal pay and work doesnt apply to education also? stricter rules and higher pay are whats needed now days in public schools. if not, how do they think teachers are going to it seriously? "i dont get paid enough for this shit" comes to mind. educators, at least in this area, are one of the lowest paid people around. and its shameful. these are the ones who are trying to educate our children. something else comes to mind... "you get what you pay for"dilloduck said:You have to homeschool them even tho they attend school--public ecucation is never enough. Mandatory and publicly funded education appears to be failing miserably. The ones that take education seriously are being stifled by the obstructist, undisciplined assholes. Teachers get pitiful pay and governmental influence turns the process into mush.
Johnney said:thats true. do they really think that minimal pay and work doesnt apply to education also? stricter rules and higher pay are whats needed now days in public schools. if not, how do they think teachers are going to it seriously? "i dont get paid enough for this shit" comes to mind. educators, at least in this area, are one of the lowest paid people around. and its shameful. these are the ones who are trying to educate our children. something else comes to mind... "you get what you pay for"
thats nice, but its not everyone.no1tovote4 said:Often the payment for teaching comes at the end, not at the beginning. At the beginning they are often payed low wages but as time passes they become well compensated. It is especially relavant that in addition to pay in many places teachers do not have to pay into the Social Security debacle and have accounts called 401-E's that are payed into and matched like SS.
Anecdotally, I have a coworker here that has a wife that teaches in Jr. High. She makes more than every one of us and we would definitely not be considered poor. She has been teaching for 12 years and has a Masters Degree. When she first started she barely made any money but as time progresses they increase to a level that matches or exceeds counterparts in the Business world.
Some do achieve some financial success yet I bet they aren't teaching in grades k-6 where kids need the most help and the frustation they incur from dealing with ever changing political administations takes the patience of Job---only the truly dedicated to sacrifice are willing to continue.no1tovote4 said:Often the payment for teaching comes at the end, not at the beginning. At the beginning they are often payed low wages but as time passes they become well compensated. It is especially relavant that in addition to pay in many places teachers do not have to pay into the Social Security debacle and have accounts called 401-E's that are payed into and matched like SS.
Anecdotally, I have a coworker here that has a wife that teaches in Jr. High. She makes more than every one of us and we would definitely not be considered poor. She has been teaching for 12 years and has a Masters Degree. When she first started she barely made any money but as time progresses they increase to a level that matches or exceeds counterparts in the Business world.
Johnney said:thats nice, but its not everyone.
dilloduck said:Some do achieve some financial success yet I bet they aren't teaching in grades k-6 where kids need the most help and the frustation they incur from dealing with ever changing political administations takes the patience of Job---only the truly dedicated to sacrifice are willing to continue.
those are they times they need to make school very intersting so kids will want to keep up with their education. if they have bad experiences during this time, they will remember this for the next year and not be so into paying attention. my nephew (Ryen, 6y/o) was a monster at school a couple years ago. they changed something there (new teachers, material or whatever i dont know what), and hes actually been really good now.dilloduck said:Some do achieve some financial success yet I bet they aren't teaching in grades k-6 where kids need the most help and the frustation they incur from dealing with ever changing political administations takes the patience of Job---only the truly dedicated to sacrifice are willing to continue.
RAGE said:Cool now lets revive the entended question.
If Teachers and students are punished for wearing christian charms or marks of identity on clothing, should not the same rule apply to other religions.
Also If the study or mention of christianity is shuned in public schools, should not egytian and greek lore follow suit because of there religious origins?
gop_jeff said:Originally some states had their official state religions. However, the 14th Amendment (equal protection under the laws) has been interpreted to mean that the Bill of Rights applies to state governments as well.
freeandfun1 said:Okay, but then why does it say CONGRESS? Why doesn't it say NOBODY or NO STATE? Instead of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion". From what I can gather from the language used, they just wanted to make sure that the federal government didn't..... but then again, at that time, States' Rights mattered and today they don't.
gop_jeff said:I'm not disagreeing with you... I actually agree with the principles that you are talking about. All I'm saying is that state's rights, like the right to ignore provisions of the Bill of Rights if they wanted to, have been eroded.