Another man shot in Britain....why doesn't that whole gun control thing work?

[2aguy]

And here you have another shooting in a country that banned and confiscated guns...an island even.......and yet gun crime is going up, not down....

If he doesn't die from being shot in the torso....does that mean gun control worked?

25-year-old man fighting for life after shooting in North Woolwich

A man is fighting for his life in hospital after a being shot in east London.

Police and paramedics were scrambled to the scene after gunshots were heard in Woodman Street, North Woolwich, on Monday night.

A 25-year-old man was rushed to hospital after suffering facial injuries and a gunshot wound to the torso in the attack at about 10.20pm.

Police believe the victim was shot by a suspect in a vehicle which then sped off, Scotland Yard has said.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It does work. You're just saying gun control only works if it's 100% successful all the time.

Murders are still 1/4 the US murder rate. I'd say that's successful. The UK's murder rate is around the normal mark for first world countries. The US's isn't.

 

[cnm]

Please. These threads are no place for reasoned argument.

After all the US' gun homicide rate is 45 times that of England and Wales. Gun nuts cannot conceive of a reason that should be so. Especially not the OP with his ludicrous desire to spam USMB with ridiculous deceptions in an attempt to remove the beam from his neighbour's eye before he removes the mote from his own.

 

[polarbear]

It does work. You're just saying gun control only works if it's 100% successful all the time.

Murders are still 1/4 the US murder rate. I'd say that's successful. The UK's murder rate is around the normal mark for first world countries. The US's isn't.

Make up your mind ! Every time the high rate of murders in US black communities is addressed the PC claim that is a result of economic discrimination and now you say it's lower in Britain because of gun control and not because they are more PC how they hire and not fire no matter how many fuck up royally on the job.
In Switzerland every able bodied male who served in the military gets to keep his service rifle + ammo in order to be ready when called. They have a much lower murder rate by gun than Britain but they also don't have "black lives matter" or mayors like the one in London or Chicago !!!!

 

[cnm]

I bet you had to clean your monitor after slobbering over that many straw men.

 

[2aguy]

It does work. You're just saying gun control only works if it's 100% successful all the time.

Murders are still 1/4 the US murder rate. I'd say that's successful. The UK's murder rate is around the normal mark for first world countries. The US's isn't.

And you are wrong....for you to be right you would have to show that the implementation of gun control lowered the gun crime rate.......and this didn't happen...so you are wrong. In fact...the gun murder rate spiked in the years following their gun ban....and never fell below the level it was at before the ban. Also, gun crime rates would have to stay at least the same.........their gun crime rates are going up, not down......

So..gun murder rates stayed the same...after spiking....so gun control did nothing.

Gun crime rates are going up, not down.


There is nothing about this issue that you are right about.

And worse.....this is an island nation....you can't just drive across an open border...

 

[2aguy]

Please. These threads are no place for reasoned argument.

After all the US' gun homicide rate is 45 times that of England and Wales. Gun nuts cannot conceive of a reason that should be so. Especially not the OP with his ludicrous desire to spam USMB with ridiculous deceptions in an attempt to remove the beam from his neighbour's eye before he removes the mote from his own.

Our criminals commit more murder.....all murder. Our non gun murder rate is higher than Britains total murder rate so your point is just dumb. Our gun murder rate has gone down 49% as we went from 200 million guns to close to 600 million guns...and from 4.7 million people carrying guns to close to 16.9 million people......so law abiding people owning and carrying guns does not increase the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate, or even the violent crime rate.

The violent crime rate in Britain is higher than the United States and is now out of control.....in some areas it is up 70-90% while our violent crime rate...with more guns in law abiding hands....is down 72%.


Gun control does't lower the gun crime rate....that rate is created by the criminals...and the gun murder rate depends on the criminal's desire to commit murder with their illegal guns.....

Don't worry...the police policies of Britain..and their welfare state, are going to send their gun murder rate through the roof...

 

[miketx]

Come get them.

 

[OnePercenter]

Where did the gun come from?

 

[Carter Malone]

And here you have another shooting in a country that banned and confiscated guns...an island even.......and yet gun crime is going up, not down....

If he doesn't die from being shot in the torso....does that mean gun control worked?

25-year-old man fighting for life after shooting in North Woolwich

A man is fighting for his life in hospital after a being shot in east London.

Police and paramedics were scrambled to the scene after gunshots were heard in Woodman Street, North Woolwich, on Monday night.

A 25-year-old man was rushed to hospital after suffering facial injuries and a gunshot wound to the torso in the attack at about 10.20pm.

Police believe the victim was shot by a suspect in a vehicle which then sped off, Scotland Yard has said.

Why isn't it Working?

How many Americans were shot in the same period of time?

IOW, it does work. It's the US giving a gun to anybody with a pulse that doesn't work. (duh)

I've noticed you post the very same thing everyday. That's not only spam but, in this case, it's just plain lame.


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[polarbear]

And here you have another shooting in a country that banned and confiscated guns...an island even.......and yet gun crime is going up, not down....

If he doesn't die from being shot in the torso....does that mean gun control worked?

25-year-old man fighting for life after shooting in North Woolwich

A man is fighting for his life in hospital after a being shot in east London.

Police and paramedics were scrambled to the scene after gunshots were heard in Woodman Street, North Woolwich, on Monday night.

A 25-year-old man was rushed to hospital after suffering facial injuries and a gunshot wound to the torso in the attack at about 10.20pm.

Police believe the victim was shot by a suspect in a vehicle which then sped off, Scotland Yard has said.

Why isn't it Working?

How many Americans were shot in the same period of time?

IOW, it does work. It's the US giving a gun to anybody with a pulse that doesn't work. (duh)

I've noticed you post the very same thing everyday. That's not only spam but, in this case, it's just plain lame.


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"It's the US giving a gun to anybody with a pulse that doesn't work. (duh)"
Really ? I thought Americans have to go to a gun store and buy and can do so only after a background check . Since when is the US giving guns away?
I was under the impression that stopped after the Obama admin was booted out of office and the drug dealers had better guns than the US border patrol...courtesy of Eric Holder and Obama invoking executive privilege.

 

[polarbear]

Please. These threads are no place for reasoned argument.

After all the US' gun homicide rate is 45 times that of England and Wales. Gun nuts cannot conceive of a reason that should be so. Especially not the OP with his ludicrous desire to spam USMB with ridiculous deceptions in an attempt to remove the beam from his neighbour's eye before he removes the mote from his own.

Our criminals commit more murder.....all murder. Our non gun murder rate is higher than Britains total murder rate so your point is just dumb. Our gun murder rate has gone down 49% as we went from 200 million guns to close to 600 million guns...and from 4.7 million people carrying guns to close to 16.9 million people......so law abiding people owning and carrying guns does not increase the gun murder rate, the gun crime rate, or even the violent crime rate.

The violent crime rate in Britain is higher than the United States and is now out of control.....in some areas it is up 70-90% while our violent crime rate...with more guns in law abiding hands....is down 72%.


Gun control does't lower the gun crime rate....that rate is created by the criminals...and the gun murder rate depends on the criminal's desire to commit murder with their illegal guns.....

Don't worry...the police policies of Britain..and their welfare state, are going to send their gun murder rate through the roof...

I suspect these anti 2nd amendment advocates bolster their stats with lawful killings as long as it was done with a gun and lump it into the "murder" category.
But who cares...all they can do now is rant in the social media and most of that like the USMB gives you the option to flush these idiots down the toilet with an ignore algorithm.
More often than not just showing your gun is enough to stop an attack:

 

[frigidweirdo]

It does work. You're just saying gun control only works if it's 100% successful all the time.

Murders are still 1/4 the US murder rate. I'd say that's successful. The UK's murder rate is around the normal mark for first world countries. The US's isn't.

Make up your mind ! Every time the high rate of murders in US black communities is addressed the PC claim that is a result of economic discrimination and now you say it's lower in Britain because of gun control and not because they are more PC how they hire and not fire no matter how many fuck up royally on the job.
In Switzerland every able bodied male who served in the military gets to keep his service rifle + ammo in order to be ready when called. They have a much lower murder rate by gun than Britain but they also don't have "black lives matter" or mayors like the one in London or Chicago !!!!

I don't think it's a matter of me making my mind up.

Crime is higher in poorer communities in the UK, the US, Switzerland and everywhere else.

In the US the problems are exacerbated by having groups of people who have basically lost all hope, living in ghettos and they're causing more problems than other poorer communities.

The expression is "Guns don't kill people, people do", which is a simplification that is too simple to explain anything properly. The reality is the people with guns are more effective killers, and more likely to feel powerful than with other weapons. It's easier to kill a person with a gun, you don't need to get close.

Switzerland is a completely different situation than the US. Switzerland, for example, has a lower murder rate than the UK, but has a higher gun murder rate than the UK. But Switzerland is a rich country. It has low unemployment, it has a high standard of living. The guns are in the hands of people who have been trained and they're locked up. People don't carry them around where they might end up using them. When they do get used it's going to be in situations where people know they're going to get in trouble for using them because they have to account for all their ammo and things like that.

This issue isn't a simple one. People often misrepresent the issue because they can then make it fit their agenda.

 

[Nia88]

No one is pushing for 100% effective gun control policies.

Even though gun violence does occur in England, its is still much lower than the US. That's why shootings in England make the news, but it doesn't happen that much.

You conservatives always act like you know what's going on in other countries, yet you've never stepped foot outside of the US.

How about travel the world first before acting like experts on other nations.

 

[Toro]

And here you have another shooting in a country that banned and confiscated guns...an island even.......and yet gun crime is going up, not down....

If he doesn't die from being shot in the torso....does that mean gun control worked?

25-year-old man fighting for life after shooting in North Woolwich

A man is fighting for his life in hospital after a being shot in east London.

Police and paramedics were scrambled to the scene after gunshots were heard in Woodman Street, North Woolwich, on Monday night.

A 25-year-old man was rushed to hospital after suffering facial injuries and a gunshot wound to the torso in the attack at about 10.20pm.

Police believe the victim was shot by a suspect in a vehicle which then sped off, Scotland Yard has said.

You win The Biggest Logical Fallacy in History award with all these threads you create.

 

[August West]

In a country that averages one shooting a week by a toddler it`s incredible that we have idiots who think they should be lecturing another country about gun control. It takes a good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun. You think so 2aguy?
Toddlers have shot at least 50 people this year

 

[2aguy]

And here you have another shooting in a country that banned and confiscated guns...an island even.......and yet gun crime is going up, not down....

If he doesn't die from being shot in the torso....does that mean gun control worked?

25-year-old man fighting for life after shooting in North Woolwich

A man is fighting for his life in hospital after a being shot in east London.

Police and paramedics were scrambled to the scene after gunshots were heard in Woodman Street, North Woolwich, on Monday night.

A 25-year-old man was rushed to hospital after suffering facial injuries and a gunshot wound to the torso in the attack at about 10.20pm.

Police believe the victim was shot by a suspect in a vehicle which then sped off, Scotland Yard has said.

Why isn't it Working?

How many Americans were shot in the same period of time?

IOW, it does work. It's the US giving a gun to anybody with a pulse that doesn't work. (duh)

I've noticed you post the very same thing everyday. That's not only spam but, in this case, it's just plain lame.


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No...it doesn't work.....

Britain...

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23%

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

The U.S....




We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware




Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Concealed carry permit number....
New Study: Over 16.3 million concealed handgun permits, last year saw the largest increase ever in number of permits - Crime Prevention Research Center

actual study...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2017 by John R. Lott :: SSRN

You mistake Britain's previous low gun crime rate before they banned guns and their low gun murder rate as an effect of their gun control policies. That just isn't true. The reason they have had a low gun crime rate and a low gun murder rate in the past is that their criminals were different...they didn't use guns to murder each other the same way American criminals use their guns to murder each other......and after their gun ban in the 90s...their gun murder rate spiked, and never went below where it was before the ban, which shows their gun control law didn't do anything.....and now you have their gun crime rate going up...after they banned guns......showing their gun control doesn't work.

What you anti gunners never realize is that law abiding people who own and carry guns do not drive the gun crime rate. Criminals drive the gun crime rate and they are legally barred from buying, owning and carrying guns....and it is their need for those guns and their attitude about murder that drives the gun crime rate.

70-80% of gun murder victims in the U.S. are criminals....and of the remaining victims, many of them are relatives or friends of those criminals....

And here in the U.S.....Americans use guns, legal guns, to stop violent criminal attack 1,500,000 times a year.....

The only effective gun control? Locking up violent criminals who use guns to commit crime. The fact that in too many places prosecutors and judges don't do this, is the exact reason why our criminals keep shooting people....

 

[2aguy]

In a country that averages one shooting a week by a toddler it`s incredible that we have idiots who think they should be lecturing another country about gun control. It takes a good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun. You think so 2aguy?
Toddlers have shot at least 50 people this year

Considering our gun crime rates are going down, and theirs are going up.....as a lot more Americans are carrying guns....yeah, we can tell them where they are going wrong...and those toddlers.....the majority will be in the homes of criminals who can't legally own those guns in the first place, if that stat is even accurate.

 

[2aguy]

No one is pushing for 100% effective gun control policies.

Even though gun violence does occur in England, its is still much lower than the US. That's why shootings in England make the news, but it doesn't happen that much.

You conservatives always act like you know what's going on in other countries, yet you've never stepped foot outside of the US.

How about travel the world first before acting like experts on other nations.

The statistics from those other nations tell the story. Gun crime in Britain is up 23%...on top of the yearly increases...and it is up 42% in London, the city with the most police cameras anywhere in the world.....and yet in the U.S., as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%, our gun murder rate went down 49% and our violent crime rate went down 72%......

Britain is about to see and expansion of crime and violence that is going to be on a massive scale. They are cutting their police, they are crippling the police they have with political correctness, and their social institutions can no longer civilize the young males raised in homes headed by single teenage girls.......

 

[Nia88]

No one is pushing for 100% effective gun control policies.

Even though gun violence does occur in England, its is still much lower than the US. That's why shootings in England make the news, but it doesn't happen that much.

You conservatives always act like you know what's going on in other countries, yet you've never stepped foot outside of the US.

How about travel the world first before acting like experts on other nations.

The statistics from those other nations tell the story. Gun crime in Britain is up 23%...on top of the yearly increases...and it is up 42% in London, the city with the most police cameras anywhere in the world.....and yet in the U.S., as more Americans own and carry guns...our gun crime rate went down 75%, our gun murder rate went down 49% and our violent crime rate went down 72%......

Britain is about to see and expansion of crime and violence that is going to be on a massive scale. They are cutting their police, they are crippling the police they have with political correctness, and their social institutions can no longer civilize the young males raised in homes headed by single teenage girls.......

Seems like you're an expert on British life. Have you been there before?