Apartheid Israel

[P F Tinmore]

Those with functioning brains will understand. Those raised by animals, like you, won't

Another unanswered question by Mr. Scholar.

Why are you on a discussion forum when you contribute nothing?

 

[Marc39]

Another unanswered question by Mr. Scholar.

Why are you on a discussion forum when you contribute nothing?

Mirror mirror.

 

[georgephillip]

"For example, after opening the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) archives, a cable was discovered dated October 31, 1948, signed by Major General Carmel and addressed to all the division and district commanders under his command.

"In that cable he stated, 'Do all you can to immediately and quickly purge the conquered territories of all hostile elements in accordance with the orders issued. The residents should be helped to leave the areas that have been conquered.'

"A detailed analysis of such declassified material is provided by Nur Masalha in his book Expulsion of the Palestinians: The Concept of ‘Transfer’ in Zionist Political Thought, 1882-1948."

Palestinian Refugees..

 

[Marc39]

Palestinian Refugees..[/URL]

These Palestinians, Georgie? You also believe in the Easter Bunny?

Former PLO Leader Zuheir Mohsen...

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arab American Publisher Joe Farah...

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Myths of the Middle East

Arab Commentator Azmi Bishara...

“Well, I dont think there is a Palestinian nation at all. I think there is an Arab nation. I always thought so and I did not change my mind. I do not think there is a Palestinian nation, I think its a colonialist invention - Palestinian nation. When were there any Palestinians? Where did it come from? I think there is an Arab nation. I never turned to be a Palestinian nationalist, despite of my decisive struggle against the occupation. I think that until the end of the 19th century, Palestine was the south of Greater Syria.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3n5-yG-6dU[/ame]

 

[georgephillip]

"Yitzhak Rabin, the future Prime Minister and Noble Prize winner, wrote in his diary soon after Lydda’s and Ramla’s occupation:

After attacking Lydda and then Ramla...What would they do with the 50,000 civilians living in the two cities...

"Not even Ben-Gurion could offer a solution...and during the discussion at operation headquarters, he [Ben-Gurion] remained silent, as was his habit in such situations.

"Clearly, we could not leave hostile and armed populace in our rear, where it could endanger the supply route [to the troops who were] advancing eastward...Ben-Gurion would repeat the question: “What is to be done with the population?," waving his hand in a gesture which said: 'Drive them out!.'

"Driving out" is a term with a harsh ring... Psychologically, this was one of the most difficult actions we undertook."

Palestinian Refugees...

 

[Marc39]

Palestinian Refugees...

These "Palestinian refugees," Clueless Georgie? You also believe in Mother Goose?

Former PLO Leader Zuheir Mohsen...

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arab American Journalist Joe Farah...

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Arab Commentator Azmi Bishara...

“Well, I dont think there is a Palestinian nation at all. I think there is an Arab nation. I always thought so and I did not change my mind. I do not think there is a Palestinian nation, I think its a colonialist invention - Palestinian nation. When were there any Palestinians? Where did it come from? I think there is an Arab nation. I never turned to be a Palestinian nationalist, despite of my decisive struggle against the occupation. I think that until the end of the 19th century, Palestine was the south of Greater Syria.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3n5-yG-6dU[/ame]

 

[Marc39]

Driving out" is a term with a harsh ring... Psychologically, this was one of the most difficult actions we undertook

Historian Benny Morris...

The Palestinian Arabs were not responsible in some bizarre way for what befell them in 1948. Their responsibility was very direct and simple.

In defiance of the will of the international community, as embodied in the UN General Assembly Resolution of November 29th, 1947 (No. 181), they launched hostilities against the Jewish community in Palestine in the hope of aborting the emergence of the Jewish state and perhaps destroying that community. But they lost; and one of the results was the displacement of 700,000 of them from their homes.

on the local level, in dozens of localities around Palestine, Arab leaders advised or ordered the evacuation of women and children or whole communities, as occurred in Haifa in late April, 1948. And Haifa's Jewish mayor, Shabtai Levy, did, on April 22nd, plead with them to stay, to no avail.

Most of Palestine's 700,000 "refugees" fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders).

The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became refugees - and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee) - was not a racist crime but the result of a national conflict and a war, with religious overtones, from the Muslim perspective, launched by the Arabs themselves.

1948 - Morris, Benny - Yale University Press

 

[georgephillip]

"The 1948 Palestinian exodus from Lydda and Ramla began around 12 July 1948, when 50,000–70,000 Palestinian residents fled or were expelled as Israeli troops moved into the towns.

"Israel's military action occurred within the context of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War.

"Both towns, which had been Arab areas in Palestine, became predominantly Jewish areas in the new state of Israel, with Lydda becoming known as Lod."

"Between 290–450 Palestinians and around 10 Israeli soldiers were killed during the conquest of Lydda.

"The death toll in Ramla is unknown, but presumed lower because it surrendered immediately.[2]

"Once the Israelis were in control, expulsion orders were issued by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). Ramla's residents were bussed out.

"The people of Lydda were forced to walk 17 kilometers (10 miles) to Barfiliya in temperatures of 30–35 °C (86–95 °F), from where the Arab Legion—Jordan's British-led army—helped them reach a refugee camp in Ramallah.[3]

"The harsh conditions of the exodus, known as the Lydda death march, caused deaths among the refugees, with figures ranging from a few to 355, mostly from exhaustion and dehydration.

"Eyewitnesses said people were killed by Israeli soldiers for refusing to part with their valuables."

1948 - Wiki

 

[Marc39]

"The 1948 Palestinian exodus from Lydda and Ramla began around 12 July 1948, when 50,000–70,000 Palestinian residents fled or were expelled as Israeli troops moved into the towns.

This one is for you, Psycho Georgie...
Historian Benny Morris---

The demonisation of Israel is largely based on lies - much as the demonisation of the Jews during the past 2,000 years has been based on lies. And there is a connection between the two.

Benny Morris...

The Palestinian Arabs were not responsible in some bizarre way for what befell them in 1948. Their responsibility was very direct and simple.

In defiance of the will of the international community, as embodied in the UN General Assembly Resolution of November 29th, 1947 (No. 181), they launched hostilities against the Jewish community in Palestine in the hope of aborting the emergence of the Jewish state and perhaps destroying that community. But they lost; and one of the results was the displacement of 700,000 of them from their homes.

on the local level, in dozens of localities around Palestine, Arab leaders advised or ordered the evacuation of women and children or whole communities, as occurred in Haifa in late April, 1948. And Haifa's Jewish mayor, Shabtai Levy, did, on April 22nd, plead with them to stay, to no avail.

Most of Palestine's 700,000 "refugees" fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders).

The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became "refugees" - and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee) - was not a racist crime but the result of a national conflict and a war, with religious overtones, from the Muslim perspective, launched by the Arabs themselves.

There was no Zionist "plan" or blanket policy of evicting the Arab population, or of "ethnic cleansing".

1948 - Morris, Benny - Yale University Press


I own you, Georgie.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"The 1948 Palestinian exodus from Lydda and Ramla began around 12 July 1948, when 50,000–70,000 Palestinian residents fled or were expelled as Israeli troops moved into the towns.

This one is for you, Psycho Georgie...
Historian Benny Morris---

The demonisation of Israel is largely based on lies - much as the demonisation of the Jews during the past 2,000 years has been based on lies. And there is a connection between the two.

Benny Morris...

The Palestinian Arabs were not responsible in some bizarre way for what befell them in 1948. Their responsibility was very direct and simple.

In defiance of the will of the international community, as embodied in the UN General Assembly Resolution of November 29th, 1947 (No. 181), they launched hostilities against the Jewish community in Palestine in the hope of aborting the emergence of the Jewish state and perhaps destroying that community. But they lost; and one of the results was the displacement of 700,000 of them from their homes.

on the local level, in dozens of localities around Palestine, Arab leaders advised or ordered the evacuation of women and children or whole communities, as occurred in Haifa in late April, 1948. And Haifa's Jewish mayor, Shabtai Levy, did, on April 22nd, plead with them to stay, to no avail.

Most of Palestine's 700,000 "refugees" fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders).

The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became "refugees" - and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee) - was not a racist crime but the result of a national conflict and a war, with religious overtones, from the Muslim perspective, launched by the Arabs themselves.

There was no Zionist "plan" or blanket policy of evicting the Arab population, or of "ethnic cleansing".

1948 - Morris, Benny - Yale University Press


I own you, Georgie.

...two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country... ~ Benny Morris

I thought you said that there was never a country called Palestine.

 

[Jos]

Driving out" is a term with a harsh ring... Psychologically, this was one of the most difficult actions we undertook

Historian Benny Morris...

The Palestinian Arabs were not responsible in some bizarre way for what befell them in 1948. Their responsibility was very direct and simple.

In defiance of the will of the international community, as embodied in the UN General Assembly Resolution of November 29th, 1947 (No. 181), they launched hostilities against the Jewish community in Palestine in the hope of aborting the emergence of the Jewish state and perhaps destroying that community. But they lost; and one of the results was the displacement of 700,000 of them from their homes.

on the local level, in dozens of localities around Palestine, Arab leaders advised or ordered the evacuation of women and children or whole communities, as occurred in Haifa in late April, 1948. And Haifa's Jewish mayor, Shabtai Levy, did, on April 22nd, plead with them to stay, to no avail.

Most of Palestine's 700,000 "refugees" fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders).

The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became refugees - and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee) - was not a racist crime but the result of a national conflict and a war, with religious overtones, from the Muslim perspective, launched by the Arabs themselves.

1948 - Morris, Benny - Yale University Press

That quote does not appear at the link you gave
Part of what does appear is

Morris stresses the jihadi character of the two-stage Arab assault on the Jewish community in Palestine. Throughout, he examines the dialectic between the war's military and political developments and highlights the military impetus in the creation of the refugee problem, which was a by-product of the disintegration of Palestinian Arab society. The book thoroughly investigates the role of the Great Powers—Britain, the United States, and the Soviet Union—in shaping the conflict and its tentative termination in 1949. Morris looks both at high politics and general staff decision-making processes and at the nitty-gritty of combat in the successive battles that resulted in the emergence of the State of Israel and the humiliation of the Arab world, a humiliation that underlies the continued Arab antagonism toward Israel.

 

[Marc39]

Driving out" is a term with a harsh ring... Psychologically, this was one of the most difficult actions we undertook

Historian Benny Morris...

1948 - Morris, Benny - Yale University Press

That quote does not appear at the link you gave
Part of what does appear is

Morris stresses the jihadi character of the two-stage Arab assault on the Jewish community in Palestine. Throughout, he examines the dialectic between the war's military and political developments and highlights the military impetus in the creation of the refugee problem, which was a by-product of the disintegration of Palestinian Arab society. The book thoroughly investigates the role of the Great Powers—Britain, the United States, and the Soviet Union—in shaping the conflict and its tentative termination in 1949. Morris looks both at high politics and general staff decision-making processes and at the nitty-gritty of combat in the successive battles that resulted in the emergence of the State of Israel and the humiliation of the Arab world, a humiliation that underlies the continued Arab antagonism toward Israel.

Ho-Say, remember when I ripped you a new asshole over your inability to substantiate quotes and bitch slapped you like a cheap ho? http://www.usmessageboard.com/2883941-post26.html

Go back to soliciting gay sex on the internet, Ho-Say.

 

[Urbanguerrilla]

Driving out" is a term with a harsh ring... Psychologically, this was one of the most difficult actions we undertook

Historian Benny Morris...

The Palestinian Arabs were not responsible in some bizarre way for what befell them in 1948. Their responsibility was very direct and simple.

Most of Palestine's 700,000 "refugees" fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders).

1948 - Morris, Benny - Yale University Press

As Benny the pretend historian should know the Palestinians had the right to believe they would be able to return to THEIR homes under whatever circumstances, an Arab victory, they should have been allowed to return or a Jewish victory, they should be allowed to return.

Both militants, Jewish and Arab caused the people to be forced from their homes, it is their right to return to their homes...

 

[Marc39]

As Benny the pretend historian should know the Palestinians had the right to believe they would be able to return to THEIR homes under whatever circumstances, an Arab victory, they should have been allowed to return or a Jewish victory, they should be allowed to return.

These "Palestinians," shit-for-brains? You're clueless, moron.

Zuheir Mohsen, former PLO Leader...

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

Zuheir Mohsen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Arab American Journalist Joe Farah...

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc.

Myths of the Middle East

Arab Commentator Azmi Bishara..

Well, I dont think there is a Palestinian nation at all. I think there is an Arab nation. I always thought so and I did not change my mind. I do not think there is a Palestinian nation, I think its a colonialist invention - Palestinian nation. When were there any Palestinians? Where did it come from? I think there is an Arab nation. I never turned to be a Palestinian nationalist, despite of my decisive struggle against the occupation. I think that until the end of the 19th century, Palestine was the south of Greater Syria.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3n5-yG-6dU[/ame]

 

[georgephillip]

"Q:What do you think at bottom is the cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict?

"A: I would say that there is a territorial dispute between two peoples who claim the same patch of land. It is a very small patch of land, and so the idea of dividing it between the two is extremely problematic in the technical sense. But it is also a cultural-religious conflict between the Islamic East and the West.

"The Islamic Arab world sees Israel—as it sees itself—as an offshoot and outpost of the West in—in their view—a Muslim area and as an infidel, invasive presence.

"Israel and Zionism are seen by the Islamic Arab world, and the wider Islamic world, as illegitimate.

"This, at root, is the cause of the ongoing conflict.

"Were they to accord it legitimacy, the problem in Palestine/Israel would be soluble.

"At present, given this mindset, it isn’t.

Interview with Benny Morris

 

[Marc39]

"Q:What do you think at bottom is the cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict?

Cause of Arab-Israel conflict...

Quran 9:111...

Verily, Allâh has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allâh's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed.

Now, even you know, jackass.

 

[Marc39]

"Q:What do you think at bottom is the cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict?

Cause of Arab-Israeli conflict...

Sahih Bukhari, 4:52:177...

The Day of Judgment will not have come until you fight with the Jews, and the stones and the trees behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: 'O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!

Now, even you know, dunce.

 

[Marc39]

"The Islamic Arab world sees Israel—as it sees itself—as an offshoot and outpost of the West in—in their view—a Muslim area and as an infidel, invasive presence.

Wrong.

The Islamc world sees all non-Muslim countries as infidel states that must be converted to Islam, submit to Islam or be destroyed, in an effort to establish an Islamic caliphate.

Read, learn...

Islamic scholar Sheikh Maulana Maududi...

Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and program of Islam regardless of the country or the nation which rules it. The purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and program … the objective of Islamic jihad is to eliminate the rule of an un-Islamic system and establish instead an Islamic system of state rule. Islam does not intend to confine this revolution to a single state or a few countries; the aim of Islam is to bring about a universal revolution.

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[u2scram]

""The Islamc world sees all non-Muslim countries as infidel states that must be converted to Islam, submit to Islam or be destroyed, in an effort to establish an Islamic caliphate.""

thats the kind of paranoid, racist rubbish that the average double digit iq, teabagger lives by.

 

[Marc39]

""The Islamc world sees all non-Muslim countries as infidel states that must be converted to Islam, submit to Islam or be destroyed, in an effort to establish an Islamic caliphate.""

thats the kind of paranoid, racist rubbish that the average double digit iq, teabagger lives by.

You know less than zero about the subject matter, fool.

Eminent Islamic scholar Bernard Lewis...

For most of the fourteen centuries of recorded Muslim history, jihad was most commonly interpreted to mean armed struggle for the defense or advancement of Muslim power. In Muslim tradition, the world is divided into two houses: the House of Islam (Dar al-Islam), in which Muslim governments rule and Muslim law prevails, and the House of War (Dar al-Harb), the rest of the world, still inhabited and, more important, ruled by infidels. The presumption is that the duty of jihad will continue, interrupted only by truces, until all the world either adopts the Muslim faith or submits to Muslim rule.

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Now, you know, dumbass.