Are queer weddings a sin?

[BlindBoo]

You are welcome to your opinion.

Yes, I am. Queers calling themselves "married" makes a mockery of this GOD-ORDAINED institution.

They can say what they want, but they are not MARRIED. That institution is reserved for one man and one woman. All else is sin.

You can say what you want- but you are not married if you live your life like you do.

In America- legal marriage is not a 'god-ordained' insittution but a civil institution. You want a religious marriage- that is between you and your religion.

When the State tells us the sky is green, they will be wrong. Marriage is a religious institution. The State inserted itself because it WAS in any nation's best interest to promote and encourage the RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION called marriage. They cannot change the definition. The west will not survive much longer encouraging sin.

Civil marriage and religious marriage are two different things. Civil marriage does not involve religion. Two people who do not believe in a religion can still marry under civil law.

The concept of "sin" is a religious concept. Whether one considers same-sex marriage to be a "sin" depends on whether one is a member of a religious group that both believes in the "sin" concept and believes that same-sex marriage falls within the definition of it. Some same-sex couples have marriages celebrated in their own faith traditions.

Queer marriage will NEVER be respected like real marriage. Queers should have invented some new kind of legal union instead of just hijacking the name from real marriage and not living up to the moral standards.

I know call it a "Homo-Matrimony-Ceremony"

“What's in a name? that which we call a rose. By any other name would smell as sweet.”

 

[EvMetro]

Good for you. Keep your religion out of politics. They have the right to marry and divorce like everyone else.

I am familiar with laws and rights. I am aware of laws that allow queers to legally experience the legal aspects of a real wedding, even though it is not a real wedding. But I have not seen anything in the bill of rights that says queers have the right to get married.

I see you avoided the topic of the opening post, so I will ask again. Do you think it is a sin for queers to marry?

Sin is a subjective religious intangible.

Understanding sin and how it is connected to real marriage is an essential part of the relationship. This is why queers will never actually experience real marriage. All they will ever experience are some of the financial benefits that real married couples experience.

Understand that sin is a religious concept and marriage is a social contract. Is a polygamist marriage a sin?

Queers are perverts. Queer marriage will NEVER be respected and recognized like real marriage is. Deep down, everybody KNOWS queers are just perverts and that queer marriage isn't really legit.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Say leftists, I don't expect a legitimate answer, never got one yet. I like to put your gay-marriage business into proper perspective.

Name one argument for gay marriage that wouldn't apply to marriage between close relatives...................Go!

Stupid question. First of all it is a logical fallacy known as a

False Equivalence

False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two incompatible arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.

If you scratch your head real hard, you might be able to understand that the social implications for marriage between relatives as opposed to unrelated people are far different. An often cited reason for marriage is to form new families and alliances with can only happen when people from different families are united.

But this is my favorite fallacy: You are implying that we are hypocrites for not supporting relative marriage while supporting same sex marriage. That is an appeal to hypocrisy fallacy

Also known as a

tu quoque (To kwok we )(Latin for "you, too" or "you, also") or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency and not the position presented whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit the position. Thus, it is a form of the ad hominem argument. To clarify, although the person being attacked might indeed be acting inconsistently or hypocritically, this does not invalidate their argument."

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I believe queer weddings are a sin. What are your thoughts?

As far as the state is concerned all a marriage is is a property contract and property contracts are not a sin

Property contracts? Who is the property?

 

[BlindBoo]

Good for you. Keep your religion out of politics. They have the right to marry and divorce like everyone else.

I am familiar with laws and rights. I am aware of laws that allow queers to legally experience the legal aspects of a real wedding, even though it is not a real wedding. But I have not seen anything in the bill of rights that says queers have the right to get married.

I see you avoided the topic of the opening post, so I will ask again. Do you think it is a sin for queers to marry?

Sin is a subjective religious intangible.

Understanding sin and how it is connected to real marriage is an essential part of the relationship. This is why queers will never actually experience real marriage. All they will ever experience are some of the financial benefits that real married couples experience.

Understand that sin is a religious concept and marriage is a social contract. Is a polygamist marriage a sin?

Queers are perverts. Queer marriage will NEVER be respected and recognized like real marriage is. Deep down, everybody KNOWS queers are just perverts and that queer marriage isn't really legit.

Why don't you leave judgement up to your God and leave your brothers and sisters alone?

 

[mdk]

I lap up the bitter tears from the folks still whining about homos getting hitched. Keep them coming crybabies! Your tears sustain me.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Good for you. Keep your religion out of politics. They have the right to marry and divorce like everyone else.

I am familiar with laws and rights. I am aware of laws that allow queers to legally experience the legal aspects of a real wedding, even though it is not a real wedding. But I have not seen anything in the bill of rights that says queers have the right to get married.

I see you avoided the topic of the opening post, so I will ask again. Do you think it is a sin for queers to marry?

Sin is a subjective religious intangible.

Understanding sin and how it is connected to real marriage is an essential part of the relationship. This is why queers will never actually experience real marriage. All they will ever experience are some of the financial benefits that real married couples experience.

Understand that sin is a religious concept and marriage is a social contract. Is a polygamist marriage a sin?

Queers are perverts. Queer marriage will NEVER be respected and recognized like real marriage is. Deep down, everybody KNOWS queers are just perverts and that queer marriage isn't really legit.

 

[Blues Man]

I believe queer weddings are a sin. What are your thoughts?

As far as the state is concerned all a marriage is is a property contract and property contracts are not a sin

Lefties who think marriage is merely a property contract are the reason why queer marriage will NEVER be legitimate or respected the way real marriage is.

Wow I'm a lefty now ? Some of you people call me a Trumper and some of you call me a lefty. But I guess that's inevitable when you can't think but for simple either or conclusions

And yes as far as the state is concerned marriage is a property contract. There is no moral or religious connotation.

 

[Blues Man]

I believe queer weddings are a sin. What are your thoughts?

As far as the state is concerned all a marriage is is a property contract and property contracts are not a sin

Property contracts? Who is the property?

People aren't property.

If you think real hard you can figure it out.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Say leftists, I don't expect a legitimate answer, never got one yet. I like to put your gay-marriage business into proper perspective.

Name one argument for gay marriage that wouldn't apply to marriage between close relatives...................Go!

Stupid question. First of all it is a logical fallacy known as a

False Equivalence

False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two incompatible arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.

If you scratch your head real hard, you might be able to understand that the social implications for marriage between relatives as opposed to unrelated people are far different. An often cited reason for marriage is to form new families and alliances with can only happen when people from different families are united.

But this is my favorite fallacy: You are implying that we are hypocrites for not supporting relative marriage while supporting same sex marriage. That is an appeal to hypocrisy fallacy

Also known as a

tu quoque (To kwok we )(Latin for "you, too" or "you, also") or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency and not the position presented whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit the position. Thus, it is a form of the ad hominem argument. To clarify, although the person being attacked might indeed be acting inconsistently or hypocritically, this does not invalidate their argument."

When PROGS are backed into a corner they break out the logical fallacy, false equal & strawman cards, as if they're intellectuals and their cards are wild. Course that's assuming they don't have a racism card in their pockets. Shit, this guy even broke out the "hypocrisy fallacy" card, that's a new one.

In this case the PROG declares incest and homosexuality are false equivalents, as if to say homosexuality & heterosexuality are equivalents One is necessary and consistent with all things created, the other is a contradictory.

At the end of the day I'm correct and it's relevant. Every argument for gay marriage can be applied to marriage between relatives. Nothing like honest perspective.

Dollars to donuts this PROG is highly "educated". He just had his ass handed to him by 4th grade formal education. Something to be said for living free of indoctrination.

Just in case you missed it, according to PROG:
Incest and homosexuality are false equivalents.
Heterosexuality and homosexuality are true equivalents.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I believe queer weddings are a sin. What are your thoughts?

No, because there is no such thing as "sin". Iron aged myths are for children.

 

[Syriusly]

You are welcome to your opinion.

Yes, I am. Queers calling themselves "married" makes a mockery of this GOD-ORDAINED institution.

They can say what they want, but they are not MARRIED. That institution is reserved for one man and one woman. All else is sin.

You can say what you want- but you are not married if you live your life like you do.

In America- legal marriage is not a 'god-ordained' insittution but a civil institution. You want a religious marriage- that is between you and your religion.

When the State tells us the sky is green, they will be wrong. Marriage is a religious institution. The State inserted itself because it WAS in any nation's best interest to promote and encourage the RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION called marriage. They cannot change the definition. The west will not survive much longer encouraging sin.

Civil marriage and religious marriage are two different things. Civil marriage does not involve religion. Two people who do not believe in a religion can still marry under civil law.

The concept of "sin" is a religious concept. Whether one considers same-sex marriage to be a "sin" depends on whether one is a member of a religious group that both believes in the "sin" concept and believes that same-sex marriage falls within the definition of it. Some same-sex couples have marriages celebrated in their own faith traditions.

Queer marriage will NEVER be respected like real marriage. Queers should have invented some new kind of legal union instead of just hijacking the name from real marriage and not living up to the moral standards.

I am quite certain that you will never respect the very real marriages of gay couples and pretty sure you don't respect queer people in general.

"Queers" tried to play by your rules- but then you Christians who are so adamant that Gay couples not get married, also pushed movements to forbid states from recognizing any type of similar civil union.

So Americans went to the courts to demand their Civil rights- and the Supreme Court- as it has done 3 previously times for other Americans- ruled in favor of marriage equality.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

I believe queer weddings are a sin. What are your thoughts?

"Sin" is whatever an individual or law deems it to be.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Here you go: 45 Communist Goals For The USA In 1963 - How Many Have Come True?

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

 

[Blues Man]

I believe queer weddings are a sin. What are your thoughts?

"Sin" is whatever an individual or law deems it to be.

If sin is defined by the individual then you have no right to force your idea of what a sin is on other people



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[TheProgressivePatriot]

I believe queer weddings are a sin. What are your thoughts?

As far as the state is concerned all a marriage is is a property contract and property contracts are not a sin

Property contracts? Who is the property?

People aren't property.

If you think real hard you can figure it out.

Then what are you talking about?

 

[Syriusly]

Say leftists, I don't expect a legitimate answer, never got one yet. I like to put your gay-marriage business into proper perspective.

Name one argument for gay marriage that wouldn't apply to marriage between close relatives...................Go!

Stupid question. First of all it is a logical fallacy known as a

False Equivalence

False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which two incompatible arguments appear to be logically equivalent when in fact they are not. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency.

If you scratch your head real hard, you might be able to understand that the social implications for marriage between relatives as opposed to unrelated people are far different. An often cited reason for marriage is to form new families and alliances with can only happen when people from different families are united.

But this is my favorite fallacy: You are implying that we are hypocrites for not supporting relative marriage while supporting same sex marriage. That is an appeal to hypocrisy fallacy

Also known as a

tu quoque (To kwok we )(Latin for "you, too" or "you, also") or the appeal to hypocrisy, is a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This dismisses someone's point of view based on criticism of the person's inconsistency and not the position presented whereas a person's inconsistency should not discredit the position. Thus, it is a form of the ad hominem argument. To clarify, although the person being attacked might indeed be acting inconsistently or hypocritically, this does not invalidate their argument."

When PROGS are backed into a corner they break out the logical fallacy, false equal & strawman cards, as if they're intellectuals and their cards are wild. Course that's assuming they don't have a racism card in their pockets. Shit, this guy even broke out the "hypocrisy fallacy" card, that's a new one.

In this case the PROG declares incest and homosexuality are false equivalents, as if to say homosexuality & heterosexuality are equivalents One is necessary and consistent with all things created, the other is a contradictory.

At the end of the day I'm correct and it's relevant. Every argument for gay marriage can be applied to marriage between relatives. Nothing like honest perspective.

Dollars to donuts this PROG is highly "educated". He just had his ass handed to him by 4th grade formal education. Something to be said for living free of indoctrination.

Just in case you missed it, according to PROG:
Incest and homosexuality are false equivalents.
Heterosexuality and homosexuality are true equivalents.

Incest and homosexuality are false equivalents. I know you Cons think that incest- which is a crime- is the same as homosexuality- which is not a crime.
And I know you Cons don't think that heterosexuality and homosexuality are both legitimate expressions of love- even though both are completely legal.

I have already addressed your claim that "Every argument for gay marriage can be applied to marriage between relatives"- but glad to do so again- since you Cons trot out this dead horse over and over again.

There are 4 arguments against incestuous marriages:
1) Its against 'God's will"- not relevant to legal marriage in America
2) its icky- not relevant to legal marriage in America.
3) Children of such marriages can have defects due to inbreeding
4) There is an inherent potential power imbalance to marriages between parents/children and sibling/sibling that has too much potential for abuse

Clearly gay couples do not have to worry about issues of inbreeding with each other. Nor do gay couples have the inherent potential power imbalance that exists in incestuous marriage.

Every argument for marriage between relatives can be made for marriage between between straight unrelated Americans. But the arguments against incestuous marriage are very different from the arguments against gay or straight marriage.
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[Remodeling Maidiac]

I believe queer weddings are a sin. What are your thoughts?

"Sin" is whatever an individual or law deems it to be.

If sin is defined by the individual then you have no right to force your idea of what a sin is on other people



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When have I ever done that?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”

Sounds like what Trump is trying to do

 

[Syriusly]

Say leftists, I don't expect a legitimate answer, never got one yet. I like to put your gay-marriage business into proper perspective.

Name one argument for gay marriage that wouldn't apply to marriage between close relatives...................Go!

Oh I love this argument! Very predictable.

Not sure why you folks always seem to equate gay marriage to incest.

So before we get started I need you to answer two questions- because they are essential
a) Are you against incestuous marriage?
b) If you are- why are you against incestuous marriage?

ILMAO @ "I love this argument & predictable". No you don't and no it wasn't.

I think incestuous marriage is ridiculous. Gay marriage is as bad or worse. Incest doesn't suit families & reproduction, same with gay marriage.

Horseshit! Gay people have children or come to have them in their care by a variety of means, just like every one else. They are parents and they are a family. What the fuck is wrong with you?!!

Perverts should be kept away from children.

So now you want Big Brother to break up families and take away children from their parents- because they are gay?

Whats next on your agenda? Taking away kids from native American families- oh wait- you used to do that. Taking away kids from anyone you deem too liberal to raise kids?

That is quite slippery slope your Big Brother agenda opens up in the name of your god.