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Are there any liberal still worried about global warming?

Scientists Now 99.999% Sure Humans Are Causing Climate Change


Iol, a little to late for that bullshit.


Only too late if you can explain what happens the energy that rising CO2 traps. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. :eusa_whistle:

Ever hear of a thing called photosynthesis?


Photosynthesis drops off rapidly as wavelengths approach the infrared range. NEXT!

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The spectrum


What's your point? Are you trying to say plants only absorb sunlight and don't actually use up CO2 to create sugar/carbs stored in the plants?

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Scientists Now 99.999% Sure Humans Are Causing Climate Change


Iol, a little to late for that bullshit.


Only too late if you can explain what happens the energy that rising CO2 traps. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. :eusa_whistle:



Lol. It is incumbent on the person who makes claims to back them up. Since "science" is wrong about global warming, as shown by the evidence, it might also mean that there is no energy being trapped as suggested since if it were, it would indeed cause warming.


It's a well known fact and easily shown with a basic lab spectrophotometer that CO2 absorbs in the IR range, ergo you just admitted that CO2 does cause warming. :clap2:


Ok.... the atmosphere is made up of many parts of which CO2 is a very very small part. .04% or 397 ppm to be more specific. By contrast H2O is 2.5% of the atmosphere or 25,000 ppm. H20 is also a so called greenhouse gas because it can absorb IR. Ergo water causes warming.

So here we are with two supposedly evil components of our atmosphere. CO2 that stuff we exhale, yeah the stuff plants use as food to get energy to grow, and H20 that stuff you see all over the place that makes us call this the water planet.

Hmm... should we really be afraid of common components of our atmosphere? Do you really believe the end is nigh because of a small increase in composition for one very small non-toxic portion of our atmosphere? Granted if we kill all the plants and no longer have a natural system for converting CO2 to sugars... well then we might need to stop burping.
 
Scientists Now 99.999% Sure Humans Are Causing Climate Change


Iol, a little to late for that bullshit.


Only too late if you can explain what happens the energy that rising CO2 traps. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. :eusa_whistle:

Ever hear of a thing called photosynthesis?


Photosynthesis drops off rapidly as wavelengths approach the infrared range. NEXT!

specmove.gif


The spectrum


What's your point? Are you trying to say plants only absorb sunlight and don't actually use up CO2 to create sugar/carbs stored in the plants?

640px-Simple_photosynthesis_overview.svg.png


I was talking about sunlight, if you're changing the subject, you should say so. If you want to talk CO2 and are offering photosynthesis as the means of evening it out, why isn't the atmospheric concentration going down? I'm afraid either way you're comment doesn't cut it. You're welcome to try again, however.
 
Ok.... the atmosphere is made up of many parts of which CO2 is a very very small part. .04% or 397 ppm to be more specific. By contrast H2O is 2.5% of the atmosphere or 25,000 ppm. H20 is also a so called greenhouse gas because it can absorb IR. Ergo water causes warming.

So here we are with two supposedly evil components of our atmosphere. CO2 that stuff we exhale, yeah the stuff plants use as food to get energy to grow, and H20 that stuff you see all over the place that makes us call this the water planet.

Hmm... should we really be afraid of common components of our atmosphere? Do you really believe the end is nigh because of a small increase in composition for one very small non-toxic portion of our atmosphere? Granted if we kill all the plants and no longer have a natural system for converting CO2 to sugars... well then we might need to stop burping.

It's not the absolute value of CO2 that matters, but the percentage increase, i.e.30-40% depending on whose numbers you use. Any increase heat because of that would also increase the amount of H2O in the atmosphere, furthering increasing the warming trend. That's called a "positive feedback" in the trade. Look it up before posting again, so you won't look so foolish,.
 
Oh I will, Mr. C Little, I will.

Good, good, while you're doing that, ruminate about what's happening to the energy rising CO2 is trapping and tell us how it's cooling the earth. :cool-45:

No prob, I'm all over it !

All over it? If I were you, I'd try and get on the right side of it. Parroting whatever you hear from your favorite source doesn't compare to actually understanding the underlying science.
 
Scientists Now 99.999% Sure Humans Are Causing Climate Change


Iol, a little to late for that bullshit.


Only too late if you can explain what happens the energy that rising CO2 traps. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. :eusa_whistle:

Ever hear of a thing called photosynthesis?


Photosynthesis drops off rapidly as wavelengths approach the infrared range. NEXT!

specmove.gif


The spectrum


What's your point? Are you trying to say plants only absorb sunlight and don't actually use up CO2 to create sugar/carbs stored in the plants?

640px-Simple_photosynthesis_overview.svg.png


I was talking about sunlight, if you're changing the subject, you should say so. If you want to talk CO2 and are offering photosynthesis as the means of evening it out, why isn't the atmospheric concentration going down? I'm afraid either way you're comment doesn't cut it. You're welcome to try again, however.

The subject was global warming. Not just sunlight. Who says the concentration of CO2 should go down and not just achieve some measure of equilibrium? Why are you being obtuse?
 
Ok.... the atmosphere is made up of many parts of which CO2 is a very very small part. .04% or 397 ppm to be more specific. By contrast H2O is 2.5% of the atmosphere or 25,000 ppm. H20 is also a so called greenhouse gas because it can absorb IR. Ergo water causes warming.

So here we are with two supposedly evil components of our atmosphere. CO2 that stuff we exhale, yeah the stuff plants use as food to get energy to grow, and H20 that stuff you see all over the place that makes us call this the water planet.

Hmm... should we really be afraid of common components of our atmosphere? Do you really believe the end is nigh because of a small increase in composition for one very small non-toxic portion of our atmosphere? Granted if we kill all the plants and no longer have a natural system for converting CO2 to sugars... well then we might need to stop burping.

It's not the absolute value of CO2 that matters, but the percentage increase, i.e.30-40% depending on whose numbers you use. Any increase heat because of that would also increase the amount of H2O in the atmosphere, furthering increasing the warming trend. That's called a "positive feedback" in the trade. Look it up before posting again, so you won't look so foolish,.
Temperatures have been decreasing not increasing. Your so called "positive feedback" is non-existent outside of fake hockey stick charts generated by changing the data. Look it up before posting again, so you won't look so foolish.
 
Scientists Now 99.999% Sure Humans Are Causing Climate Change


Iol, a little to late for that bullshit.


Only too late if you can explain what happens the energy that rising CO2 traps. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. :eusa_whistle:

Ever hear of a thing called photosynthesis?


Photosynthesis drops off rapidly as wavelengths approach the infrared range. NEXT!

specmove.gif


The spectrum


What's your point? Are you trying to say plants only absorb sunlight and don't actually use up CO2 to create sugar/carbs stored in the plants?

640px-Simple_photosynthesis_overview.svg.png


I was talking about sunlight, if you're changing the subject, you should say so. If you want to talk CO2 and are offering photosynthesis as the means of evening it out, why isn't the atmospheric concentration going down? I'm afraid either way you're comment doesn't cut it. You're welcome to try again, however.

The subject was global warming. Not just sunlight. Who says the concentration of CO2 should go down and not just achieve some measure of equilibrium? Why are you being obtuse?



Who said CO2 was in equilibrium? Every study I've seen shows it going up. If you have other data, post it.
 
Ok.... the atmosphere is made up of many parts of which CO2 is a very very small part. .04% or 397 ppm to be more specific. By contrast H2O is 2.5% of the atmosphere or 25,000 ppm. H20 is also a so called greenhouse gas because it can absorb IR. Ergo water causes warming.

So here we are with two supposedly evil components of our atmosphere. CO2 that stuff we exhale, yeah the stuff plants use as food to get energy to grow, and H20 that stuff you see all over the place that makes us call this the water planet.

Hmm... should we really be afraid of common components of our atmosphere? Do you really believe the end is nigh because of a small increase in composition for one very small non-toxic portion of our atmosphere? Granted if we kill all the plants and no longer have a natural system for converting CO2 to sugars... well then we might need to stop burping.

It's not the absolute value of CO2 that matters, but the percentage increase, i.e.30-40% depending on whose numbers you use. Any increase heat because of that would also increase the amount of H2O in the atmosphere, furthering increasing the warming trend. That's called a "positive feedback" in the trade. Look it up before posting again, so you won't look so foolish,.
Temperatures have been decreasing not increasing. Your so called "positive feedback" is non-existent outside of fake hockey stick charts generated by changing the data. Look it up before posting again, so you won't look so foolish.

I don't care about your declaration of what temps are doing. If CO2 is going up, more and more IR radiation will be absorbed and given statistical probabilities 50% will be emitted back towards earth. What do you think the effect of that is?
 
Yes, there is definite climate change.

Oroville River in CA today:


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Oroville River in 2012, already in drought conditions.

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I could go on all night and find this stuff, all next week right up until Christmas.
 
Oh I will, Mr. C Little, I will.

Good, good, while you're doing that, ruminate about what's happening to the energy rising CO2 is trapping and tell us how it's cooling the earth. :cool-45:
You AGW duped partisans love to ruminate like you're so smart by referring to gov subsidized charts, etc. But there are plenty of non-gov-subsidized studies for us honest laymen to know that the more the emphasis is on proving instead of studying a hypothesis (especially when driven by gov grant money) the less likely it is to be accurate.
 
Oh I will, Mr. C Little, I will.

Good, good, while you're doing that, ruminate about what's happening to the energy rising CO2 is trapping and tell us how it's cooling the earth. :cool-45:
You AGW duped partisans love to ruminate like you're so smart by referring to gov subsidized charts, etc. But there are plenty of non-gov-subsidized studies for us honest laymen to know that the more the emphasis is on proving instead of studying a hypothesis (especially when driven by gov grant money) the less likely it is to be accurate.


Then you have studies that shows what's happening to the energy trapped by the increase in CO2? PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
 
Oh I will, Mr. C Little, I will.

Good, good, while you're doing that, ruminate about what's happening to the energy rising CO2 is trapping and tell us how it's cooling the earth. :cool-45:
You AGW duped partisans love to ruminate like you're so smart by referring to gov subsidized charts, etc. But there are plenty of non-gov-subsidized studies for us honest laymen to know that the more the emphasis is on proving instead of studying a hypothesis (especially when driven by gov grant money) the less likely it is to be accurate.

Do you like breathing in pollution? I don't. That stuff is bad for you.
 
Ok.... the atmosphere is made up of many parts of which CO2 is a very very small part. .04% or 397 ppm to be more specific. By contrast H2O is 2.5% of the atmosphere or 25,000 ppm. H20 is also a so called greenhouse gas because it can absorb IR. Ergo water causes warming.

So here we are with two supposedly evil components of our atmosphere. CO2 that stuff we exhale, yeah the stuff plants use as food to get energy to grow, and H20 that stuff you see all over the place that makes us call this the water planet.

Hmm... should we really be afraid of common components of our atmosphere? Do you really believe the end is nigh because of a small increase in composition for one very small non-toxic portion of our atmosphere? Granted if we kill all the plants and no longer have a natural system for converting CO2 to sugars... well then we might need to stop burping.

It's not the absolute value of CO2 that matters, but the percentage increase, i.e.30-40% depending on whose numbers you use. Any increase heat because of that would also increase the amount of H2O in the atmosphere, furthering increasing the warming trend. That's called a "positive feedback" in the trade. Look it up before posting again, so you won't look so foolish,.
Temperatures have been decreasing not increasing. Your so called "positive feedback" is non-existent outside of fake hockey stick charts generated by changing the data. Look it up before posting again, so you won't look so foolish.

I don't care about your declaration of what temps are doing. If CO2 is going up, more and more IR radiation will be absorbed and given statistical probabilities 50% will be emitted back towards earth. What do you think the effect of that is?
Well since CO2 is a very very negligible percentage of the atmosphere, and since it has been proven time and again that all of the models about global warming were 100% wrong, and since I just happen to know that 50% of 100% is a 50% reduction over what would have happened if the CO2 did not initially absorb said IR.... I'm gonna take an wild guess that the amount of change the increase in C02 has caused probably can't be measured with any certainty.

You should probably note that CO2 is not the only part of the atmosphere that can absorb IR. Thus, from my engineering, statistics, and math background I find it odd that global warming models relied upon increases in CO2 to have such a dramatic effect on the mean temperature. Seems to me it would be more of a no-op given the small percentage of CO2 compared to all other greenhouse gases, like water. But if you have to make me guess what it does.. I'd say CO2 probably does what H20 does in the atmosphere.... it causes global cooling. Everyone knows it's cooler under a cloud than it is under direct sunlight. The question isn't even worth arguing about.
 
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Oh I will, Mr. C Little, I will.

Good, good, while you're doing that, ruminate about what's happening to the energy rising CO2 is trapping and tell us how it's cooling the earth. :cool-45:
You AGW duped partisans love to ruminate like you're so smart by referring to gov subsidized charts, etc. But there are plenty of non-gov-subsidized studies for us honest laymen to know that the more the emphasis is on proving instead of studying a hypothesis (especially when driven by gov grant money) the less likely it is to be accurate.


Then you have studies that shows what's happening to the energy trapped by the increase in CO2? PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
This study showed that not only did heat escaping into space not decrease it in fact increased.

models Questions and Observations
 
Oh I will, Mr. C Little, I will.

Good, good, while you're doing that, ruminate about what's happening to the energy rising CO2 is trapping and tell us how it's cooling the earth. :cool-45:
You AGW duped partisans love to ruminate like you're so smart by referring to gov subsidized charts, etc. But there are plenty of non-gov-subsidized studies for us honest laymen to know that the more the emphasis is on proving instead of studying a hypothesis (especially when driven by gov grant money) the less likely it is to be accurate.

Do you like breathing in pollution? I don't. That stuff is bad for you.
CO2 is not a pollutant.
 

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