Debate Now Are you pro-life, or pro-choice?

[Blackrook]

Pro choice is the right answer. A girl told me that most pro lifers are 40+ year old perverts and all pro lifers should knot their dicks. How do you knot a dick?

Sounds like both you and that girl are really stupid people.

 

[Holos]

"1) Are you pro-choice, or pro-life? Why?
2) If after watching the second video you changed from pro-choice to pro-life, what changed your mind?
3) If you are pro-choice even after watching the video, why?"


1) Pro-life. Plenty of choices to be made, plenty of ways to kill, but plenty of choices still remain if those choices that kill are restrained from doing so, including new choices, and also improved choices. All life requires maintenance, not all choices require maintenance (but all of them have consequences and repercussions), therefore life requires promotion and choices do not upon an educated perspective. With adequate instruction, life continues requiring promotion to sustain itself (at the personal, individual sphere, we name it reason, instinct, thought, impulse), but choices become invariably set as right or wrong examples (at the personal, individual sphere, these we name circumstances, situations, possibilities, conditions). Pro-choice, in its rudimentary, opposition form, without life already as established primary agent, conductor of choice, is a blank unknowing stasis. Only life makes choices, only life can make choices.

 

[Devaje007]

Hjj

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

The title may seem a bit cliche, but still, a legitimate question nonetheless. And just for those who will read only the first sentence of this post:

The only time I will advocate for an abortion is when the mother's life is in immediate danger, or if she is raped, and/or a victim of incest. That's it. At no other time should a child be aborted prior to 21 weeks gestation.

Now, random men and women in the video below were asked whether they were pro choice or pro life. As you can see, many of them said they were pro choice. After being shown a video of what happens during an actual abortion procedure however, they soon changed their minds, or were at least planning to reconsider their stances on the subject.



Being "pro-choice" isn't just some arbitrary title one can simply slap across their chest so they aren't seen as misogynists, it's a sign of someone ill educated about the process detailing how an actual unborn child is torn apart piece by piece inside the womb. As seen in the proceeding video:



The question(s):

1) Are you pro-choice, or pro-life? Why?
2) If after watching the second video you changed from pro-choice to pro-life, what changed your mind?
3) If you are pro-choice even after watching the video, why?

The rules:

No name calling and/or religious slurs.
No talking points. I want sound arguments to be made on both ends.
No citing the Bible. On any side.

GO!

I am Pro-Choice just like I am Pro Second Amendment.

We as a society have choices in life and I am not going to deny a woman the right to abort her unwanted child.

People can argue it is murder and so on but in the end the woman has to make the choice and live with her choice and not me.

Also most females will seek out someone to help them abort the unwanted child like they did before it was legal, so there is no point going backward on this issue.

 

[Chuz Life]

The question(s):

1) Are you pro-choice, or pro-life? Why?

I don't label myself as either of those two. I prefer to call myself "anti-abortion" which is short for "anti-legalized elective abortion."

Pro-choicers(sic) are actually not pro-choice at all - when they DENY the rights and ability for a child to ever make a choice of their own by killing them with an abortion. "Pro-lifers" tend to have the minset that all human lives are somehow "sacred" and that leads them to oppose capital punishment (usually for religious reasons) and I don't.

2) If after watching the second video you changed from pro-choice to pro-life, what changed your mind?

N/A

3) If you are pro-choice even after watching the video, why?

N/A

The rules:

No name calling and/or religious slurs.
No talking points. I want sound arguments to be made on both ends.
No citing the Bible. On any side.

GO!

Any questions?

 

[Sherry]

My choice is life, but I wouldn't want abortions to be illegal. I don't support late term abortions if the child would otherwise be viable and healthy, or if it's a health issue for the mother. I think many women agonize over the decision before they make either choice, and some women don't give it much consideration. The latter may live with guilt or regret, but they also may believe it was the right option for them. I do not respect women who have multiple abortions as a form of birth control, and believe they lack a real conscience.

 

[Chuz Life]

My choice is life, but I wouldn't want abortions to be illegal. I don't support late term abortions if the child would otherwise be viable and healthy, or if it's a health issue for the mother. I think many women agonize over the decision before they make either choice, and some women don't give it much consideration. The latter may live with guilt or regret, but they also may believe it was the right option for them. I do not respect women who have multiple abortions as a form of birth control, and believe they lack a real conscience.

You are "pro-life" but you don't think a child's right to the equal protections of our laws should begin when their life does?

That seems like a contradiction to me.

 

[Sherry]

My choice is life, but I wouldn't want abortions to be illegal. I don't support late term abortions if the child would otherwise be viable and healthy, or if it's a health issue for the mother. I think many women agonize over the decision before they make either choice, and some women don't give it much consideration. The latter may live with guilt or regret, but they also may believe it was the right option for them. I do not respect women who have multiple abortions as a form of birth control, and believe they lack a real conscience.

You are "pro-life" but you don't think a child's right to the equal protections of our laws should begin when their life does?

That seems like a contradiction to me.

I'm responsible for my choices, and whatever I might wish for in a perfect world, is not the reality. That genie is not going back in the bottle.

 

[Chuz Life]

My choice is life, but I wouldn't want abortions to be illegal. I don't support late term abortions if the child would otherwise be viable and healthy, or if it's a health issue for the mother. I think many women agonize over the decision before they make either choice, and some women don't give it much consideration. The latter may live with guilt or regret, but they also may believe it was the right option for them. I do not respect women who have multiple abortions as a form of birth control, and believe they lack a real conscience.

You are "pro-life" but you don't think a child's right to the equal protections of our laws should begin when their life does?

That seems like a contradiction to me.

I'm responsible for my choices, and whatever I might wish for in a perfect world, is not the reality. That genie is not going back in the bottle.

I can understand and even appreciate that on some level. That said, if I think my neighbor is doing anything to harm or violate a child. . . I am going to make it "my business" to interrupt that violation to the extent that I able to do so.

 

[sealybobo]

The only time I will advocate for an abortion is when the mother's life is in immediate danger, or if she is raped, and/or a victim of incest.

Why? Do you think God wants them to be aborted? Even though he created them?

Then let him take care of them in heaven. Or give them to parents trying to have them.

Your argument opens up a whole other list of question. Is there a God? Does he get involved?

What about all the poor women raising kids alone in poor neighborhoods? A woman wrote a book about how she aborted, went off to college and got herself out of poverty. Then she went back and saw all the women who didn't. And their poor kids will one day make the same mistake.

Our society would be so much better off if these poor women stopped having babies they can't afford or raise. Abortion is both a necessary evil and greater good

 

[sealybobo]

1) Are you pro-choice, or pro-life? Why?


Neither, because I dont get "pregnant"....

Do you think a middle class 20 year old woman should be able to get an abortion because the rubber broke or do you want the law to say " sorry you have to have it"

 

[Dogmaphobe]

One aspect of liberal ideology that comes into play here is the long-held liberal belief in social justice and defending the person without power from abuses arising from those with power. In cases of pregnancy, the liberal response would be to protect a women's right to determine whether or not she wanted to have children, and so rape, incest and other abuses should not result in her being required to carry the child.

By the same token, if a women chose her sex partner willingly and became pregnant, the very same consideration should be applied to the developing fetus, because in this case, the women has all the power in the relationship rather than the fetus. By taking away the baby's right to choose, it is the mother who is acting against social justice.

 

[sealybobo]

One aspect of liberal ideology that comes into play here is the long-held liberal belief in social justice and defending the person without power from abuses arising from those with power. In cases of pregnancy, the liberal response would be to protect a women's right to determine whether or not she wanted to have children, and so rape, incest and other abuses should not result in her being required to carry the child.

By the same token, if a women chose her sex partner willingly and became pregnant, the very same consideration should be applied to the developing fetus, because in this case, the women has all the power in the relationship rather than the fetus. By taking away the baby's right to choose, it is the mother who is acting against social justice.

In a Republicans mind the child shouldn't be punished for what the rapist/father did.

If a man with children raped a woman would it be OK to find his kids and kill them.

Never mind that she has to carry and birth them. It's either that or murder an innocent child.

And even an innocent incest baby has the right to live. God made it happen.

 

[Kat]

1) Are you pro-choice, or pro-life? Why?
I'm pro-choice, that does not mean I would choose abortion for myself, but I have no right to make that choice for any other woman.

2) If after watching the second video you changed from pro-choice to pro-life, what changed your mind?
I didn't change.

3) If you are pro-choice even after watching the video, why?
Because, for me - the video is manipulating emotions. I understand the biology and the science. But I am an absolute advocate for the right of each woman to determine it for herself.

If it were just a woman's life we were talking about, I might agree. But, as it stands someone needs to think about the other life involved.

 

[Jully Rowe Davis]

It's funny how adoption is never an option for these people. Always some reason it won't work. Never their fault. Rape is horrible yes and a women carrying the reminder for months would hurt but I'm sure a women somewhere would want the child. I wonder with all the statistics people rattle off have they really researched how many women getting abortions checked into adoption first?


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[Coyote]

It's funny how adoption is never an option for these people. Always some reason it won't work. Never their fault. Rape is horrible yes and a women carrying the reminder for months would hurt but I'm sure a women somewhere would want the child. I wonder with all the statistics people rattle off have they really researched how many women getting abortions checked into adoption first?


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Why do you think it's "never an option"?

Pregnancy is the most life changing moment for a woman. It can mean dropping out of school, it can mean losing a job, it also carries significant health risks. I don't know why you would think women don't consider all possibilities - adoption, keeping the child, abortion. It is not a decision taken lightly.

And to compound that with rape is horrific.

 

[Jully Rowe Davis]

I don't think in today's society school is a problem. And why would a women become unemployed? Of course rape is horrific. take it from someone who knows. I did become pregnant and had to make some really hard choices. I lost the child so the decision was made. I just don't hear people talk about adoption as an option much.


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[Likkmee]

I'm pro-freedom. If I want to inject heroin into my eyeball it's MY business. not some socialist Nazi with a badge. I'm pro life but until that baby is born and gets to breathe our shitty air and get bombarded with Nazi vacunas, its the womans choice to finalize the pregnancy or not. Thats HER choice. Freedom....yas fuckin morons.You have no clue as to what freedom is when living in that Satanic Hellhole waving your Bangladeshian made flags and following lines and paying for everyone elses American created enemies..AKA war. De FUNDING FreeDUMB.
April 15. Make sure your taxes are done ! Better not lie on the form ! ( politicos call it mis-spoke----YOU can't say that). What about those used underwear you sold on ebay ? You could face serious fines and / or jail time !
Idiots,

 

[playtime]

PRO CHOICE.

 

[abrere]

I"m all for abortions, but more for sterilization. There's already 10x too many people in the world. But I'll trade having abortions be illegal in order to stop the other leftist bs.