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No. My response was to this or maybe I quoted the wrong person?Are you saying it's just gays they should be able to refuse to do business with? I would not agree with that. Either we are free to chose our own customers or we are not. I don't get the logic of singling out gays but forcing us to do business with everyone else.
I agree with much of that, a business can always claim they are busy, bump up the price or any number of things. I don't they need to advertise anything special, the whole problem is based on either assumptions or agendas. Most gays are not doing "gay" things, a business wouldn't know or care. It's only when something like wedding invitations or ceremonies take place. All it takes is a phone call. Surely there are people that would be happy for the business.It won't matter whether it is signed or not. Businesspeople of conscience will find ways of avoiding the consequence of being forced to perform personal services for causes they object to. The end result will be exactly the same. Gays will be forced into doing business only with those who advertise as being open to such business arrangements. They just won't have a choice.
I do occasionally work for gay folks, although not gay specific things. I really don't care and don't know why they feel the need to announce it.
Your freedom of religion, Kondor, in the public market place cannot trump the 14th protections against discrimination. You can do it in private association but not in public commerce.
Christians don't lie.
YOU do, shall I show you again liar?
A REAL Christian would never have made the statement Jake just did, because he would know it for the mortal sin it is.
You don't speak for Christ, the Bible, or the Christian community. End of story.
No. My response was to this or maybe I quoted the wrong person?Are you saying it's just gays they should be able to refuse to do business with? I would not agree with that. Either we are free to chose our own customers or we are not. I don't get the logic of singling out gays but forcing us to do business with everyone else.
"One thing I would support though would be that they be required to disclose their policy so their other customers, employees and vendors can decide if they want to do business with them."
I don't think that's necessary and sort of makes them guilty unless a disclaimer is publicized.
Nobody's forcing their lifestyle on anyone. Just because gays get married doesn't force heteros to marry gays. Fuck are you a noob. If you're against gay marriage, don't marry a gay person, otherwise, it's really none of your business what other people get up to. Pretty simple.
And there are plenty of examples in nature of homosexual behavior, some species are even bi on purpose to reproduce.
Damn, you're stupid. You can really look at what's going on on the political landscape today, the homosexual couples using the whole "It's legal for us to get married, therefore I'm going to sue you out of existence for hurting my feelings" thing that has SPARKED this law, and REALLY tell us that homosexual "marriage" has no effect on anyone outside of the two people pretending to be a married couple?
Are you brain-damaged?
Ok, it does have an effect, it drives homophobes like you CRAZY!
They can decide when the shopkeeper says "no". It makes more sense to recognize that not everyone on Earth is onboard with the homosexual alternative lifestyle and may object. Most Muslims are very much against it, same with any number of religions or individuals. These kinds of problems crop up when one assumes too much.Absolutely business owners should have the right to do or not do business with anyone they chose. One thing I would support though would be that they be required to disclose their policy so their other customers, employees and vendors can decide if they want to do business with them.
It makes much more sense to call the store and ask. Old fashioned? Maybe. But apparently so is respecting someone else's opinion.
Thank you for openly admitting that you are attempting to legislate your own morality based upon religious beliefs.
You are going to have a hard time explaining why blow jobs and anal sex between a man and a woman are not equally perverted and evil to the Supreme Court.
Gay Sex ...
Let's Start with the Health Issues
Gay Bowel Syndrome The Journal of the American Medical Association - Many of the bacterial and protozoa pathogens that cause gbs are found in feces and transmitted to the digestive system. This disease is rarely found in normal people ,extremely rarely , but it is epidemic in the Gay community it's caused by ingesting SHIT. Yes - it's a fact Gays are Shit-eaters
HIV/AIDS Among Homosexuals. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is responsible for causing AIDS, for which there exists no cure. Some like to cite that this also occurs among normal people but Although Fags represent about 7% of the male population in the United States, in 2010 Gay Sodomy accounted for 78% of the new HIV infections among males.
Anal Cancer: Homosexuals are at increased risk for this rare type of cancer, which is potentially fatal if the anal-rectal tumors metastasize to other bodily organs.
Reduced Life Span. Now the devil on my left shoulder is saying that getting rid of these queers earllier in life is a good thing , but the angel on my tight shoulder say show some compassion even if they are just perverts. A study published in the International Journal of Epidemiology on the mortality rates of homosexuals concluded that they have a significantly reduced life expectancy:
In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age twentyfor gay and bisexual men is eight to twenty years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged twenty years will not reach their sixty-fifth birthday.
Chlamydia - Caused primarily by anal sex and rates are extremely high in the Fruit cake community
Anal Papilloma - rates are extremely high in the Fruit cake community
Human Papillomavirus (HPV) -rates are extremely high in the Fruit cake community
Hepatitis: A potentially fatal liver disease that increases the risk of liver cancer.rates are extremely high in the Fruit cake community
Gonorrhea: An inflammatory disease of the genital tract. rates are extremely high in the Fruit cake community
Syphilis -rates are extremely high in the Fruit cake community
Explain that rates are extremely high in the Fruit cake community to SCOTUS
May I be the first to ask what in the holy FUCK this has to do with the topic?
"You are going to have a hard time explaining why blow jobs and anal sex between a man and a woman are not equally perverted and evil to the Supreme Court."
Explain that rates are extremely high in the Fruit cake community to SCOTUS
They can decide when the shopkeeper says "no". It makes more sense to recognize that not everyone on Earth is onboard with the homosexual alternative lifestyle and may object. Most Muslims are very much against it, same with any number of religions or individuals. These kinds of problems crop up when one assumes too much.Absolutely business owners should have the right to do or not do business with anyone they chose. One thing I would support though would be that they be required to disclose their policy so their other customers, employees and vendors can decide if they want to do business with them.
It makes much more sense to call the store and ask. Old fashioned? Maybe. But apparently so is respecting someone else's opinion.
That's exactly it. NO respect for other people at all.
No decent person who respected others would force someone to do business with them just because the current law allows it.
Who even wants to spend money with someone who openly does not want their business?
Damn, you're stupid. You can really look at what's going on on the political landscape today, the homosexual couples using the whole "It's legal for us to get married, therefore I'm going to sue you out of existence for hurting my feelings" thing that has SPARKED this law, and REALLY tell us that homosexual "marriage" has no effect on anyone outside of the two people pretending to be a married couple?
Are you brain-damaged?
Ok, it does have an effect, it drives homophobes like you CRAZY!
In other words, you don't know what's going on in the world, and you don't give a shit, because you'd rather live in the comforting little fantasy land between your ears, where you're a moral giant who controls the world.
Got it. FLUSH!
Your later point isn't the issue, your first one is. No, it should not be the law of the land for reasons I mentioned earlier. I gave the example of me not working for Planned Parenthood on moral grounds. Your kind of thinking would put the burden on the business of provide page after page of legalese when all one has to do is ask. Your viewpoint is about forcing everyone to abide by YOUR morals, that's wrong. It's UnAmerican and against common decency. So no, that shouldn't be the law of the land and hopefully people will rise up and fight back.It is actually ALL based on advertising. Read the decision in the Elaine Photography case. That's the correct interpretation of the law and should be the law of the land. IF Elaine had not advertised as a wedding photographer, she would not have to perform wedding photography because she did not hold herself out as willing to perform that service.
If you are looking for a bakery to make your wedding cake and you see an ad for a bakery that does not advertise wedding cakes at all. They don't have to make one unless they want to. It's not a service that they hold out as being available to the general public.
Damn, you're stupid. You can really look at what's going on on the political landscape today, the homosexual couples using the whole "It's legal for us to get married, therefore I'm going to sue you out of existence for hurting my feelings" thing that has SPARKED this law, and REALLY tell us that homosexual "marriage" has no effect on anyone outside of the two people pretending to be a married couple?
Are you brain-damaged?
Just to point out, the two cases that really got national attention were Elaine Photography (New Mexico) and Sweetcake by Melissa (Oregon).
Neither one of those cases is predicated on Civil Marriage being legal in those States for same-sex couples - because neither State has legal Civil Marriage for Same-sex couples.
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Conservatives in this thread have finally found some Democrats they can agree with - the racist Southern Democrats of the segregated South.
They can decide when the shopkeeper says "no". It makes more sense to recognize that not everyone on Earth is onboard with the homosexual alternative lifestyle and may object. Most Muslims are very much against it, same with any number of religions or individuals. These kinds of problems crop up when one assumes too much.
It makes much more sense to call the store and ask. Old fashioned? Maybe. But apparently so is respecting someone else's opinion.
That's exactly it. NO respect for other people at all.
No decent person who respected others would force someone to do business with them just because the current law allows it.
Who even wants to spend money with someone who openly does not want their business?
lol, so now we're to where the victims of discrimination are the villains.
Ok, it does have an effect, it drives homophobes like you CRAZY!
In other words, you don't know what's going on in the world, and you don't give a shit, because you'd rather live in the comforting little fantasy land between your ears, where you're a moral giant who controls the world.
Got it. FLUSH!
Cecille - If you think that was a lame post, you should see some of the crap he's posted on other threads, personally I think it's just some kid playing on the computer.
In other words, you don't know what's going on in the world, and you don't give a shit, because you'd rather live in the comforting little fantasy land between your ears, where you're a moral giant who controls the world.
Got it. FLUSH!
Cecille - If you think that was a lame post, you should see some of the crap he's posted on other threads, personally I think it's just some kid playing on the computer.
Why are you people so freaked out over gay marriage? Jesus was never homophobic. Why are you?
Cecille - If you think that was a lame post, you should see some of the crap he's posted on other threads, personally I think it's just some kid playing on the computer.
Why are you people so freaked out over gay marriage? Jesus was never homophobic. Why are you?
1.} Actually - Jesus Never was PERIOD
2.} Define Homophobic
That's exactly it. NO respect for other people at all.
No decent person who respected others would force someone to do business with them just because the current law allows it.
Who even wants to spend money with someone who openly does not want their business?
lol, so now we're to where the victims of discrimination are the villains.
words have meanings. Someone who is told "I'd rather not bake a cake for your gay wedding" is NOT a victim. If they try to force those people to bake them a cake, they are however a piece of shit.
I think another state passed something similar to this last week so this must be a trend that is catching on. I agree with this bill that if you are a business owner and believe in and live by your faith that you should be able to refuse service to whoever you want.
Arizona Senate: Business owners can cite religion to refuse service to gays
Arizona Senate: Business owners can cite religion to refuse service to gays
Absolutely business owners should have the right to do or not do business with anyone they chose. One thing I would support though would be that they be required to disclose their policy so their other customers, employees and vendors can decide if they want to do business with them.
