ATF overstep

[Blues Man]

It seems that the ATF is going to learn that it cannot pass regulations and enforce them as law at their whim.

The ATF has stated in the past that a pistol brace does not turn a pistol into a short barreled rifle but now they made up a new regulation that says it does and wanted to enforce that regulation as if it were a law.

Here's the deal though. Only Congress can pass laws.

Federal court deals blow to ATF pistol brace rule ahead of gun accessory registration deadline

Gun rights groups argue the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives lacks the authority to force millions of gun owners to register their weapons equipped with stabilizing braces.

www.fox7austin.com

 

[pknopp]

The Supreme Court upheld the bump stock ban even though no law was passed.

(noted, your link is from weeks ago and has been discussed)

 

[1srelluc]

LOL....The compliance rate for the ATF's arm brace amnesty period was between .6 and 8%.

Now I figure better than half of those just wanted a free SBR stamp (no engraving required) so you are left with millions of gun owners telling the ATF to FOAD in no uncertain terms.

Bogus agency rulings undermines all law.

 

[jotathought]

LOL....The compliance rate for the ATF's arm brace amnesty period was between .6 and 8%.

Now I figure better than half of those just wanted a free SBR stamp (no engraving required) so you are left with millions of gun owners telling the ATF to FOAD in no uncertain terms.

Bogus agency rulings undermines all law.

Biden created 29+ million felons overnight...

 

[Blues Man]

The Supreme Court upheld the bump stock ban even though no law was passed.

(noted, your link is from weeks ago and has been discussed)

This ain't bump stocks

This is the ATF capriciously changing definitions and thereby making laws ambiguous.

And If you don't want to discuss this in this thread then don't fucking reply to it.

Who are you the New thread cop?

 

[M14 Shooter]

The ATF has stated in the past that a pistol brace does not turn a pistol into a short barreled rifle but now they made up a new regulation that says it does and wanted to enforce that regulation as if it were a law.

250,000 AR-pistols-npw-SBRs were registered under the new rule - a small fraction of the guns out there -- more than enough to qualify SBRs as as "in common use".
This opens the NFA up to judicial scrutiny.
Heh.
Thank you. Brandon.

ATF Says a Quarter Million Guns Registered Under Pistol-Brace Ban

Only a fraction of the guns affected by the ATF’s new rule were registered with the agency during the four-month grace period that ended this week.

thereload.com

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Supreme Court upheld the bump stock ban even though no law was passed.

False. The USSC did no such thing.
The USSC did not grant cert - it declined to accept the appeal, and did not consider the merits of the cases.
That's -entirely- different than upholding the prior ruling.

Get your facts straight.
You can start by assuming the information in your talking points is, in some way, if not entirely, false.

 

[Pete7469]

If regressive euroweenie pukes never embraced things like "Gun Control", extermination of surplus people, racism, eugenics, and keynesian economics they might have been more tolerable.

Fortunately enough people have resisted them well enough as incremental infringements manifested themselves. Things like the ATF should not exist. You don't have to pay a tax to own a gun. When the founders wrote the 2A, there were things like hand grenades, semi-auto air-rifles, cannons, explosives, chemical agents, poisons, biological weapons...

Remember pissing and moaning about the small pox blankets given to the injuns?

So don't act like the founders wanted your totalitarian bullshit or they would have infringed on the 2A when they wrote it. The language is elementarily simple so that everyone except modern "liberal intellectuals" can understand it. The concept was for the citizens to wield all of the capacity to use force. Not have a government with a monopoly on force.

 

[pknopp]

False. The USSC did no such thing.
The USSC did not grant cert - it declined to accept the appeal, and did not consider the merits of the cases.
That's -entirely- different than upholding the prior ruling.

Get your facts straight.
You can start by assuming the information in your talking points is, in some way, if not entirely, false.

Refusing to hear the case is upholding the previous ruling. It becomes the law.

 

[whitehall]

In reality the ATF is basically a tax collector bureau. It evolved from the old revenue cops who busted stills. Maybe the ATF is still responsible for tobacco smuggling and illegal alcohol but you would never know it. Renegade agents tried to entrap a Green Beret Veteran into becoming a registered federal informant and when he refused it led to the infamous "Ruby Ridge Siege". The same agents went on to the infamous Waco debacle and still later some ATF geniuses decided to ship thousands of illegal firearms to Mexican drug cartels in a mission dubbed "Operation Fast/Furious". If it wasn't for the mainstream media that justified every crazy scheme, the ATF would have been laughed out of Washington decades ago.

 

[2aguy]

250,000 AR-pistols-npw-SBRs were registered under the new rule - a small fraction of the guns out there -- more than enough to qualify SBRs as as "in common use".
This opens the NFA up to judicial scrutiny.
Heh.
Thank you. Brandon.

ATF Says a Quarter Million Guns Registered Under Pistol-Brace Ban

Only a fraction of the guns affected by the ATF’s new rule were registered with the agency during the four-month grace period that ended this week.

thereload.com

I dont agree with the in common use justification...the court was wrong......that allows future leftwing asshats to ban a future gun that might have a new technology simply by saying it isnt yet in "common use."

It is a dangerous precedent......and the democrats and other types of fascists will exploit it

 

[2aguy]

In reality the ATF is basically a tax collector bureau. It evolved from the old revenue cops who busted stills. Maybe the ATF is still responsible for tobacco smuggling and illegal alcohol but you would never know it. Renegade agents tried to entrap a Green Beret Veteran into becoming a registered federal informant and when he refused it led to the infamous "Ruby Ridge Siege". The same agents went on to the infamous Waco debacle and still later some ATF geniuses decided to ship thousands of illegal firearms to Mexican drug cartels in a mission dubbed "Operation Fast/Furious". If it wasn't for the mainstream media that justified every crazy scheme, the ATF would have been laughed out of Washington decades ago.

Yep...add them to the list of federal agencies that need to be disbanded and its leadership released from government employment

 

[M14 Shooter]

I dont agree with the in common use justification...the court was wrong......that allows future leftwing asshats to ban a future gun that might have a new technology simply by saying it isnt yet in "common use."

They would have to ban it before it reaches the market.
I suppose that;s possible, but as they are reactionaries, that's unlikely.

 

[martybegan]

It seems that the ATF is going to learn that it cannot pass regulations and enforce them as law at their whim.

The ATF has stated in the past that a pistol brace does not turn a pistol into a short barreled rifle but now they made up a new regulation that says it does and wanted to enforce that regulation as if it were a law.

Here's the deal though. Only Congress can pass laws.

Federal court deals blow to ATF pistol brace rule ahead of gun accessory registration deadline

Gun rights groups argue the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives lacks the authority to force millions of gun owners to register their weapons equipped with stabilizing braces.

www.fox7austin.com

The lower courts see the writing on the wall that Chevron deference afforced to executive branch agencies on rule making is close to being overturned, or at least lessened.

 

[2aguy]

They would have to ban it before it reaches the market.
I suppose that;s possible, but as they are reactionaries, that's unlikely.

It was unlikely at one point for the democrats to indict their political rivals too............they are getting more and more likely to do just about anything....