Blackrook
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I'm not trying to prove the Biblical God, or a God of any religion believed in by any human. All I'm trying to prove is that there is something outside the universe that caused the universe. To believe otherwise is to believe the universe caused itself, which makes no sense.OK, if you want to call the uncaused cause of the universe "Darth Vader" you can do that. But you're not changing anything by calling it that.It doesn't matter what you call the entity that caused the universe, it's still the same thing. Changing the name doesn't change the nature of what it is, the cause of the universe that is itself uncaused.I'm not relying on faith, I'm relying on logic.
Either the universe caused itself or the universe was caused by something else.
What I'm saying is that it's a lot more likely that something else caused the universe.
That something else might as well be called God, because you can't come up with a better name for it.
I'm not asking you to have faith here.
I'm just asking you to use your brain and think.
Might as well be? So you don’t know. It might as well be Darth Vader and the Force. That is the point we don’t know. Even those with faith cannot agree.
Of course it matters. How can you say it does not?
Yes you are. You’re saying you don’t know and there is no proof of Adam and Eve or Mohammed, etc.