Attempted coup d' etat underway in Venezuela.

Salvadoran Civil War - Wikipedia

"On December 2, 1980, members of the Salvadoran National Guard were suspected to have raped and murdered four American, Catholic church women (three religious women, or nuns, and a laywoman).

"Maryknoll missionary sisters Maura Clarke and Ita Ford, Ursuline sister Dorothy Kazel, and laywoman Jean Donovan were on a Catholic relief mission providing food, shelter, transport, medical care, and burial to death squad victims.

"U.S. military aid was briefly cut off in response to the murders but would be renewed within six weeks.

"The outgoing Carter administration increased military aid to the Salvadoran armed forces to $10 million which included $5 million in rifles, ammunition, grenades and helicopters.[73]

"In justifying these arms shipments, the administration claimed that the regime had taken 'positive steps' to investigate the murder of four American nuns, but this was disputed by US Ambassador, Robert E. White, who said that he could find no evidence the junta was 'conducting a serious investigation.' [73]

"White was dismissed from the foreign service by the Reagan Administration after he had refused to participate in a coverup of the Salvadoran military's responsibility for the murders at the behest of Secretary of State Alexander Haig."

Asylum seekers fled US-supported death squad violence like this and the assassination of Archbishop Oscar Romero which occurred while he was delivering Mass.
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When the migrants arrived in Los Angeles they were preyed upon by local gangs. MS-13 began as collective defense against US gangs. As usual the Greatest Purveyor of Violence in the World blames its victims.
Carter. Typical Democrat warmonger.

Good to see you support MS13, though. Maybe they'll skin you alive for your support.
Carter. Typical Democrat warmonger.

Good to see you support MS13, though. Maybe they'll skin you alive for your support
Maybe you live long enough to comprehend the difference between hired killers and their victims
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Israel's shadowy role in Guatemala's dirty war

"Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced in the 1980s,” said Elizabeth Oglesby, an associate professor of Latin American studies at the University of Arizona.

"'People were fleeing violence and massacres and political persecution that the United States was either funding directly or at the very minimum, covering up and excusing.'

"Violence today in those countries, she said, is a directly legacy of US involvement."

The Violence Central American Migrants Are Fleeing Was Stoked by the US
Displaced = fled. They formed MS13. May they flay you alive one day.
Displaced = fled. They formed MS13. May they flay you alive one day.
May you sleep with the (red) octopus
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"In the 1950s, Guatemala attempted to end exploitative labor practices and give land to Mayan Indians in the highlands.

"The move, according to now-unclassified CIA documents, threatened US interests like the United Fruit Company, which controlled a good portion of land in Guatemala.

"But instead of citing economic factors, many in the US cried 'communism,' saying the labor reforms were a threat to democracy.

"Wisconsin Senator Alexander Wiley, chair of the Foreign Relations Committee at the time, said he believed that a 'Communist octopus' had used its tentacles to control events in Guatemala.

"In 1954, the CIA helped organize a military coup to overthrow Guatemala’s democratically elected government, and continued to train the Guatemalan military well into the 70s."
Poor dodge. They still aren't fleeing to Cuba or Venezuela.

Or Nicaragua, for that matter.
Poor dodge. They still aren't fleeing to Cuba or Venezuela.

Or Nicaragua, for that matter.
Obviously, asylum seekers wouldn't accomplish much if they left one country being destroyed by illegal US meddling for another, would they?

The Violence Central American Migrants Are Fleeing Was Stoked by the US

"'The war in Guatemala was really a genocide,' Oglesby said, adding that an estimated 200,000 were killed in the subsequent 36-year-long civil war, which stretched from 1960 to 1996. 'The history is important because it went so far beyond anti-communism—the purpose was to destroy people’s vision of the future. It had a terrible impact on the country, hundreds of thousands of people were displaced.'"
 
Carter. Typical Democrat warmonger.

Good to see you support MS13, though. Maybe they'll skin you alive for your support.
Carter. Typical Democrat warmonger.

Good to see you support MS13, though. Maybe they'll skin you alive for your support
Maybe you live long enough to comprehend the difference between hired killers and their victims
rtrlfive090884.jpg

Israel's shadowy role in Guatemala's dirty war

"Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced in the 1980s,” said Elizabeth Oglesby, an associate professor of Latin American studies at the University of Arizona.

"'People were fleeing violence and massacres and political persecution that the United States was either funding directly or at the very minimum, covering up and excusing.'

"Violence today in those countries, she said, is a directly legacy of US involvement."

The Violence Central American Migrants Are Fleeing Was Stoked by the US
Displaced = fled. They formed MS13. May they flay you alive one day.
Displaced = fled. They formed MS13. May they flay you alive one day.
May you sleep with the (red) octopus
Joseph-Stalin-cartoon-600x400.jpg

"In the 1950s, Guatemala attempted to end exploitative labor practices and give land to Mayan Indians in the highlands.

"The move, according to now-unclassified CIA documents, threatened US interests like the United Fruit Company, which controlled a good portion of land in Guatemala.

"But instead of citing economic factors, many in the US cried 'communism,' saying the labor reforms were a threat to democracy.

"Wisconsin Senator Alexander Wiley, chair of the Foreign Relations Committee at the time, said he believed that a 'Communist octopus' had used its tentacles to control events in Guatemala.

"In 1954, the CIA helped organize a military coup to overthrow Guatemala’s democratically elected government, and continued to train the Guatemalan military well into the 70s."
Poor dodge. They still aren't fleeing to Cuba or Venezuela.

Or Nicaragua, for that matter.
Poor dodge. They still aren't fleeing to Cuba or Venezuela.

Or Nicaragua, for that matter.
Obviously, asylum seekers wouldn't accomplish much if they left one country being destroyed by illegal US meddling for another, would they?

The Violence Central American Migrants Are Fleeing Was Stoked by the US

"'The war in Guatemala was really a genocide,' Oglesby said, adding that an estimated 200,000 were killed in the subsequent 36-year-long civil war, which stretched from 1960 to 1996. 'The history is important because it went so far beyond anti-communism—the purpose was to destroy people’s vision of the future. It had a terrible impact on the country, hundreds of thousands of people were displaced.'"

The war in Guatemala was really a genocide,' Oglesby said, adding that an estimated 200,000 were killed in the subsequent 36-year-long civil war, which stretched from 1960 to 1996.

Less than 6000 a year...genocide? Starting from a population of 4.1 million, ending at over 10 million?

Somebody needs a new dictionary.

'The history is important because it went so far beyond anti-communism—the purpose was to destroy people’s vision of the future.

Did it kill the vision of future communism?
 
You're confused about how sanctions that target one sector responsible for more than 90% of Venezuela's revenues will kill citizens of that country?

Economist Jeffrey Sachs: U.S. Sanctions Have Devastated Venezuela & Killed Over 40,000 Since 2017 | Democracy Now!

"More than 40,000 people have died in Venezuela since 2017 as a result of U.S. sanctions, according to a new report by the Center for Economic and Policy Research co-authored by economists Jeffrey Sachs and Mark Weisbrot.

"The report examines how U.S. sanctions have reduced the availability of food and medicine in Venezuela and increased disease and mortality.

"We speak with Jeffrey Sachs in our New York studio. In the report, he writes, 'American sanctions are deliberately aiming to wreck Venezuela’s economy and thereby lead to regime change. It’s a fruitless, heartless, illegal, and failed policy, causing grave harm to the Venezuelan people.'"
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500,000 Dead Children Haunt Madeleine Albright – Jacob G. Hornberger –
No one is confused.

They caused no deaths.
Those governments caused the deaths.
No one is confused.

They caused no deaths.
Those governments caused the deaths.
US sanctions caused those deaths, just like they did in Iraq twenty years ago:

Economist Jeffrey Sachs: U.S. Sanctions Have Devastated Venezuela & Killed Over 40,000 Since 2017 | Democracy Now!

"t started with sanctions in 2017 that prevented, essentially, the country from accessing international capital markets and the oil company from restructuring its loans.

"That put Venezuela into a hyperinflation.

"That was the utter collapse.

"Oil earnings plummeted.

"The earnings that are used to buy food and medicine collapsed.

"That’s when the social, humanitarian crisis went spiraling out of control.

"And then, in this year, with this idea, very naive, very stupid, in my view, that there would be this self-proclaimed president, which was all choreographed with the United States very, very closely, another round of even tighter sanctions, essentially confiscating the earnings and the assets of the Venezuelan government, took place."
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No it was not sanctions

It was the evil government of those nations in both cases which caused those deaths.
No it was not sanctions

It was the evil government of those nations in both cases which caused those deaths.
Illegal US sanctions are the biggest problem confronting Venezuela:
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"Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017"
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
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How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017
 
No one is confused.

They caused no deaths.
Those governments caused the deaths.
No one is confused.

They caused no deaths.
Those governments caused the deaths.
US sanctions caused those deaths, just like they did in Iraq twenty years ago:

Economist Jeffrey Sachs: U.S. Sanctions Have Devastated Venezuela & Killed Over 40,000 Since 2017 | Democracy Now!

"t started with sanctions in 2017 that prevented, essentially, the country from accessing international capital markets and the oil company from restructuring its loans.

"That put Venezuela into a hyperinflation.

"That was the utter collapse.

"Oil earnings plummeted.

"The earnings that are used to buy food and medicine collapsed.

"That’s when the social, humanitarian crisis went spiraling out of control.

"And then, in this year, with this idea, very naive, very stupid, in my view, that there would be this self-proclaimed president, which was all choreographed with the United States very, very closely, another round of even tighter sanctions, essentially confiscating the earnings and the assets of the Venezuelan government, took place."
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No it was not sanctions

It was the evil government of those nations in both cases which caused those deaths.
No it was not sanctions

It was the evil government of those nations in both cases which caused those deaths.
Illegal US sanctions are the biggest problem confronting Venezuela:
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"Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017"
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
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How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?

Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
 
Carter. Typical Democrat warmonger.

Good to see you support MS13, though. Maybe they'll skin you alive for your support.
Carter. Typical Democrat warmonger.

Good to see you support MS13, though. Maybe they'll skin you alive for your support
Maybe you live long enough to comprehend the difference between hired killers and their victims
rtrlfive090884.jpg

Israel's shadowy role in Guatemala's dirty war

"Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced in the 1980s,” said Elizabeth Oglesby, an associate professor of Latin American studies at the University of Arizona.

"'People were fleeing violence and massacres and political persecution that the United States was either funding directly or at the very minimum, covering up and excusing.'

"Violence today in those countries, she said, is a directly legacy of US involvement."

The Violence Central American Migrants Are Fleeing Was Stoked by the US
Displaced = fled. They formed MS13. May they flay you alive one day.
Displaced = fled. They formed MS13. May they flay you alive one day.
May you sleep with the (red) octopus
Joseph-Stalin-cartoon-600x400.jpg

"In the 1950s, Guatemala attempted to end exploitative labor practices and give land to Mayan Indians in the highlands.

"The move, according to now-unclassified CIA documents, threatened US interests like the United Fruit Company, which controlled a good portion of land in Guatemala.

"But instead of citing economic factors, many in the US cried 'communism,' saying the labor reforms were a threat to democracy.

"Wisconsin Senator Alexander Wiley, chair of the Foreign Relations Committee at the time, said he believed that a 'Communist octopus' had used its tentacles to control events in Guatemala.

"In 1954, the CIA helped organize a military coup to overthrow Guatemala’s democratically elected government, and continued to train the Guatemalan military well into the 70s."
Poor dodge. They still aren't fleeing to Cuba or Venezuela.

Or Nicaragua, for that matter.
Poor dodge. They still aren't fleeing to Cuba or Venezuela.

Or Nicaragua, for that matter.
Obviously, asylum seekers wouldn't accomplish much if they left one country being destroyed by illegal US meddling for another, would they?

The Violence Central American Migrants Are Fleeing Was Stoked by the US

"'The war in Guatemala was really a genocide,' Oglesby said, adding that an estimated 200,000 were killed in the subsequent 36-year-long civil war, which stretched from 1960 to 1996. 'The history is important because it went so far beyond anti-communism—the purpose was to destroy people’s vision of the future. It had a terrible impact on the country, hundreds of thousands of people were displaced.'"
Socialist worker's paradises are out. You make a good argument for Capitalism.
 
US sanctions caused those deaths, just like they did in Iraq twenty years ago:

Economist Jeffrey Sachs: U.S. Sanctions Have Devastated Venezuela & Killed Over 40,000 Since 2017 | Democracy Now!

"t started with sanctions in 2017 that prevented, essentially, the country from accessing international capital markets and the oil company from restructuring its loans.

"That put Venezuela into a hyperinflation.

"That was the utter collapse.

"Oil earnings plummeted.

"The earnings that are used to buy food and medicine collapsed.

"That’s when the social, humanitarian crisis went spiraling out of control.

"And then, in this year, with this idea, very naive, very stupid, in my view, that there would be this self-proclaimed president, which was all choreographed with the United States very, very closely, another round of even tighter sanctions, essentially confiscating the earnings and the assets of the Venezuelan government, took place."
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No it was not sanctions

It was the evil government of those nations in both cases which caused those deaths.
No it was not sanctions

It was the evil government of those nations in both cases which caused those deaths.
Illegal US sanctions are the biggest problem confronting Venezuela:
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"Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017"
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
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How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?

Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
Why would you stop paying your workers?
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Are you a crony capitalist?
 
No it was not sanctions

It was the evil government of those nations in both cases which caused those deaths.
No it was not sanctions

It was the evil government of those nations in both cases which caused those deaths.
Illegal US sanctions are the biggest problem confronting Venezuela:
fr-chart-1-768x436.jpg

"Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017"
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
graph.png

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?

Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
Why would you stop paying your workers?
082vvtkjnu909a4u.jpg

Are you a crony capitalist?
I thinks its amusing that you think the US is the bad guy and Venezuala is the good guy. Your moral compass is broken and you seem to lack logic in all your nutty posts.
 
No it was not sanctions

It was the evil government of those nations in both cases which caused those deaths.
No it was not sanctions

It was the evil government of those nations in both cases which caused those deaths.
Illegal US sanctions are the biggest problem confronting Venezuela:
fr-chart-1-768x436.jpg

"Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017"
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
graph.png

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?

Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
Why would you stop paying your workers?
082vvtkjnu909a4u.jpg

Are you a crony capitalist?

Yeah, not paying the oil workers you need every day to fund your budget is exactly like that. DURR.
 
Illegal US sanctions are the biggest problem confronting Venezuela:
fr-chart-1-768x436.jpg

"Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017"
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
graph.png

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?

Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
Why would you stop paying your workers?
082vvtkjnu909a4u.jpg

Are you a crony capitalist?
I thinks its amusing that you think the US is the bad guy and Venezuala is the good guy. Your moral compass is broken and you seem to lack logic in all your nutty posts.

He thinks Marx is a groovy dude...….
 
Illegal US sanctions are the biggest problem confronting Venezuela:
fr-chart-1-768x436.jpg

"Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017"
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?
graph.png

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?

Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?
Why would you stop paying your workers?
082vvtkjnu909a4u.jpg

Are you a crony capitalist?
I thinks its amusing that you think the US is the bad guy and Venezuala is the good guy. Your moral compass is broken and you seem to lack logic in all your nutty posts.
I thinks its amusing that you think the US is the bad guy and Venezuala is the good guy. Your moral compass is broken and you seem to lack logic in all your nutty posts.
If the US invades Venezuela like it did Iraq, does that make it a good guy or a bad guy?
 
I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them. They are not your usual “I want to shower after meeting them” crowd, as I would describe for instance the Honduran military. Instead, they are reasonably professional, reasonably aware of Venezuela’s historical commitment to democracy, and reasonably competent at their day jobs. They are proud of the fact that they are not Panama, i.e., a country into which the U.S. can send paratroopers overnight, kill several thousands, grab a narco-trafficker, and leave. . . . "
The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.
He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?
 
I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them. They are not your usual “I want to shower after meeting them” crowd, as I would describe for instance the Honduran military. Instead, they are reasonably professional, reasonably aware of Venezuela’s historical commitment to democracy, and reasonably competent at their day jobs. They are proud of the fact that they are not Panama, i.e., a country into which the U.S. can send paratroopers overnight, kill several thousands, grab a narco-trafficker, and leave. . . . "
The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.
He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?
Agree. They chose their government, they can unchoose it.
 
This is why we often hear from folks here on USMB, "I am from Venezuela, or I heard from someone down there. . . etc." Notice they are always fluent in English? Notice they always have enough privilege to be able to talk with someone in the states?

No one every even questions the narrative that the richest and most privileged Venezuelans OF COURSE do not like the government down there taking away their privilege and destroying a system that only favors the top five percent or so. . .
How do like your mass starvation and hyperinflation as Venezuela free falls into chaos?
Chalk up another socialist nation that uses authoritarian despotic rule to justify it's criminal actions. Your racist appeals
to prejudice only makes your case all the more cowardly and disgusting.

It is their nation. I can't imagine why we would interfere with free and fair elections. Only the brain washed would tolerate such a thing.
Perhaps you could imagine why people would want to interfere with elections that were rigged and crooked from the start if you looked around just a bit and weren't so dishonest and playing your "Gee, why would people do that?" game.
You are transparently playing games with the truth.

Venezuela's Maduro Wins Boycotted Elections Amid Charges Of Fraud

Are you serious with that shit?

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If NPR published any bullshit critical of Trump, you would not take them seriously for an instant, you know where their globalist bread is buttered. Don't push that shit on us. The only sourcing to "factual" reporting in the entire piece was to spooks that have an agenda.


Relationship with the U.S. Government
In 2006, the Financial Times reported that Freedom House received funding by the State Department for 'clandestine activities' inside Iran.[69] According to the Financial Times, "Some academics, activists and those involved in the growing US business of spreading freedom and democracy are alarmed that such semi-covert activities risk damaging the public and transparent work of other organisations, and will backfire inside Iran."[69]

On December 7, 2004, former U.S. House Representative and Libertarian politician Ron Paul criticized Freedom House for allegedly administering a U.S.-funded program in Ukraine where "much of that money was targeted to assist one particular candidate." Paul said that


one part that we do know thus far is that the U.S. government, through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), granted millions of dollars to the Poland-America-Ukraine Cooperation Initiative (PAUCI), which is administered by the U.S.-based Freedom House. PAUCI then sent U.S. Government funds to numerous Ukrainian non-governmental organizations (NGOs). This would be bad enough and would in itself constitute meddling in the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. But, what is worse is that many of these grantee organizations in Ukraine are blatantly in favor of presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko.[70]


Noam Chomsky and Edward S. Herman have criticized the organization for excessively criticizing states opposed to US interests while being unduly sympathetic to regimes supportive of US interests.[71] For example, Freedom House described the Rhodesian general election of 1979 as "fair", but described the Southern Rhodesian 1980 elections as "dubious",[71] and it found El Salvador's 1982 election to be "admirable".[71] It also supported Ronald Reagan's labeling of the 1984 Nicaraguan general election as fraudulent, despite international observers concluding that they were free and fair.


IOW, take that propaganda with a grain of salt. They don't know their head from a hole in the ground.
 
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I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them. They are not your usual “I want to shower after meeting them” crowd, as I would describe for instance the Honduran military. Instead, they are reasonably professional, reasonably aware of Venezuela’s historical commitment to democracy, and reasonably competent at their day jobs. They are proud of the fact that they are not Panama, i.e., a country into which the U.S. can send paratroopers overnight, kill several thousands, grab a narco-trafficker, and leave. . . . "
The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.
He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

Kim Jung Il, Castro and Saddam used to get huge margins too.

I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

What about a democratically and illegitimately elected government?

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion?

That would depend on whether Trump was starving our population and how many millions had fled to Mexico and Canada.
 
I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them. They are not your usual “I want to shower after meeting them” crowd, as I would describe for instance the Honduran military. Instead, they are reasonably professional, reasonably aware of Venezuela’s historical commitment to democracy, and reasonably competent at their day jobs. They are proud of the fact that they are not Panama, i.e., a country into which the U.S. can send paratroopers overnight, kill several thousands, grab a narco-trafficker, and leave. . . . "
The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.
He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?
Agree. They chose their government, they can unchoose it.


Thank you. THAT is the point. It is none of our business.

Nor should we be putting sanctions on them just because we don't care for the type of government they choose to have. They are the idiots that want to live with an unproductive type of economy, that is on THEM. They should have the freedom to have that, it is their right. It is THEIR natural resources, not ours.

Eventually, socialism will turn to complete corruption and backwardness. . .. IT will doom them, if they can't see from Cuba's example, rather than learn from Russia, that is on them.

It is a war crime what the west is doing to them. Blockades and siege-warfare always have been.
 
I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them. They are not your usual “I want to shower after meeting them” crowd, as I would describe for instance the Honduran military. Instead, they are reasonably professional, reasonably aware of Venezuela’s historical commitment to democracy, and reasonably competent at their day jobs. They are proud of the fact that they are not Panama, i.e., a country into which the U.S. can send paratroopers overnight, kill several thousands, grab a narco-trafficker, and leave. . . . "
The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.
He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?
Agree. They chose their government, they can unchoose it.


Thank you. THAT is the point. It is none of our business.

Nor should we be putting sanctions on them just because we don't care for the type of government they choose to have. They are the idiots that want to live with an unproductive type of economy, that is on THEM. They should have the freedom to have that, it is their right. It is THEIR natural resources, not ours.

Eventually, socialism will turn to complete corruption and backwardness. . .. IT will doom them, if they can't see from Cuba's example, rather than learn from Russia, that is on them.

It is a war crime what the west is doing to them. Blockades and siege-warfare always have been.
Any country has the right to sanction any other. No one can be forced to trade. But the Venezuelans voted in Socialism, had their guns confiscated, and now they must accept the consequences of their own stupidity.
 
I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them. They are not your usual “I want to shower after meeting them” crowd, as I would describe for instance the Honduran military. Instead, they are reasonably professional, reasonably aware of Venezuela’s historical commitment to democracy, and reasonably competent at their day jobs. They are proud of the fact that they are not Panama, i.e., a country into which the U.S. can send paratroopers overnight, kill several thousands, grab a narco-trafficker, and leave. . . . "
The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.
He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?
Agree. They chose their government, they can unchoose it.

I remember when the Bush limo was splattered with eggs on his inauguration day.
 
I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them. They are not your usual “I want to shower after meeting them” crowd, as I would describe for instance the Honduran military. Instead, they are reasonably professional, reasonably aware of Venezuela’s historical commitment to democracy, and reasonably competent at their day jobs. They are proud of the fact that they are not Panama, i.e., a country into which the U.S. can send paratroopers overnight, kill several thousands, grab a narco-trafficker, and leave. . . . "
The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.
He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?
Agree. They chose their government, they can unchoose it.

I remember when the Bush limo was splattered with eggs on his inauguration day.

I remember when Obama sent pallets full of unmarked bills to Iran and promised we could keep our doctors.
 

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