Attempted coup d' etat underway in Venezuela.

[MisterBeale]

I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them. They are not your usual “I want to shower after meeting them” crowd, as I would describe for instance the Honduran military. Instead, they are reasonably professional, reasonably aware of Venezuela’s historical commitment to democracy, and reasonably competent at their day jobs. They are proud of the fact that they are not Panama, i.e., a country into which the U.S. can send paratroopers overnight, kill several thousands, grab a narco-trafficker, and leave. . . . "

The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.

He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

Kim Jung Il, Castro and Saddam used to get huge margins too.

I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

What about a democratically and illegitimately elected government?

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion?

That would depend on whether Trump was starving our population and how many millions had fled to Mexico and Canada.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

Kim Jung Il, Castro and Saddam used to get huge margins too.

Generally, they were the only candidates on the ballot, or voting against them was hazardous to your health.

I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

What about a democratically and illegitimately elected government?

Read ALL my posts. The UN observers have written letters to both the US and EU proven the legitimacy of the Venezuelan government. In fact, there were more registered voters that showed up for that vote, as such, their government is more legitimate than Canada's, the U.S., France, Britain, and Germany. . . and many more.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion?

That would depend on whether Trump was starving our population and how many millions had fled to Mexico and Canada.

We have gone over this before in many posts. And I posted a video on this you clearly did not want to watch. You REFUSE to accept that the crashing of the economy there is due to PRIMARILY to illegal sanctions and the U.S. manipulation of oil prices. Has cronyism and corruption crept in? You bet. You can't have socialism without it. Especially when a government is under economic siege. The refuge problem is artificially created by the economic warfare though.

Cuba 2.0 started when Chavez was elected.


Venezuela crisis: Former UN rapporteur says US sanctions are killing citizens
‘Modern-day economic sanctions and blockades are comparable with medieval sieges of towns’
US sanctions are killing Venezuelans, says former UN rapporteur


". . . Despite being the first UN official to visit and report from Venezuela in 21 years, Mr de Zayas said his research into the causes of the country’s economic crisis has so far largely been ignored by the UN and the media, and caused little debate within the Human Rights Council.

He believes his report has been ignored because it goes against the popular narrative that Venezuela needs regime change.. . . . "

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Facts are stubborn ass things.

 

[MisterBeale]

I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them. They are not your usual “I want to shower after meeting them” crowd, as I would describe for instance the Honduran military. Instead, they are reasonably professional, reasonably aware of Venezuela’s historical commitment to democracy, and reasonably competent at their day jobs. They are proud of the fact that they are not Panama, i.e., a country into which the U.S. can send paratroopers overnight, kill several thousands, grab a narco-trafficker, and leave. . . . "

The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.

He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?

Agree. They chose their government, they can unchoose it.

Thank you. THAT is the point. It is none of our business.

Nor should we be putting sanctions on them just because we don't care for the type of government they choose to have. They are the idiots that want to live with an unproductive type of economy, that is on THEM. They should have the freedom to have that, it is their right. It is THEIR natural resources, not ours.

Eventually, socialism will turn to complete corruption and backwardness. . .. IT will doom them, if they can't see from Cuba's example, rather than learn from Russia, that is on them.

It is a war crime what the west is doing to them. Blockades and siege-warfare always have been.

Any country has the right to sanction any other. No one can be forced to trade. But the Venezuelans voted in Socialism, had their guns confiscated, and now they must accept the consequences of their own stupidity.

I think that is a loathsome way to conduct business.

Starving children because you do not want their parents to have political emancipation?


Well, the refugee problems from S. America are on us then. . . . .

 

[MisterBeale]

OH, and btw, before the 20th century, sanctions, naval blockades, etc., were usually considered an act of war.

Just b/c no nation is crazy enough to retaliate upon a nation powerful enough to make sanctions work? Does NOT mean that sanctions are no longer an act of war.

Look it up... . . Sanctions ARE an act of war.

 

[Aba Incieni]

The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.

He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?

Agree. They chose their government, they can unchoose it.

Thank you. THAT is the point. It is none of our business.

Nor should we be putting sanctions on them just because we don't care for the type of government they choose to have. They are the idiots that want to live with an unproductive type of economy, that is on THEM. They should have the freedom to have that, it is their right. It is THEIR natural resources, not ours.

Eventually, socialism will turn to complete corruption and backwardness. . .. IT will doom them, if they can't see from Cuba's example, rather than learn from Russia, that is on them.

It is a war crime what the west is doing to them. Blockades and siege-warfare always have been.

Any country has the right to sanction any other. No one can be forced to trade. But the Venezuelans voted in Socialism, had their guns confiscated, and now they must accept the consequences of their own stupidity.

I think that is a loathsome way to conduct business.

Starving children because you do not want their parents to have political emancipation?


Well, the refugee problems from S. America are on us then. . . . .

They can always choose to move to a Socialist paradise.

You make an excellent case for Capitalism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I know the Venezuelan military; I’ve trained some of them. They are not your usual “I want to shower after meeting them” crowd, as I would describe for instance the Honduran military. Instead, they are reasonably professional, reasonably aware of Venezuela’s historical commitment to democracy, and reasonably competent at their day jobs. They are proud of the fact that they are not Panama, i.e., a country into which the U.S. can send paratroopers overnight, kill several thousands, grab a narco-trafficker, and leave. . . . "

The Venezuelan military is so committed to democracy and professional they are keeping a butcher and dictator in office as they beat, shoot and simply drive over citizens of Venezuela that want their nightmare to end as their nation has become a dystopic dysfunctional authoritarian hell hole.

He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

Kim Jung Il, Castro and Saddam used to get huge margins too.

I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

What about a democratically and illegitimately elected government?

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion?

That would depend on whether Trump was starving our population and how many millions had fled to Mexico and Canada.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

Kim Jung Il, Castro and Saddam used to get huge margins too.

Generally, they were the only candidates on the ballot, or voting against them was hazardous to your health.

I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

What about a democratically and illegitimately elected government?

Read ALL my posts. The UN observers have written letters to both the US and EU proven the legitimacy of the Venezuelan government. In fact, there were more registered voters that showed up for that vote, as such, their government is more legitimate than Canada's, the U.S., France, Britain, and Germany. . . and many more.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion?

That would depend on whether Trump was starving our population and how many millions had fled to Mexico and Canada.

We have gone over this before in many posts. And I posted a video on this you clearly did not want to watch. You REFUSE to accept that the crashing of the economy there is due to PRIMARILY to illegal sanctions and the U.S. manipulation of oil prices. Has cronyism and corruption crept in? You bet. You can't have socialism without it. Especially when a government is under economic siege. The refuge problem is artificially created by the economic warfare though.

Cuba 2.0 started when Chavez was elected.


Venezuela crisis: Former UN rapporteur says US sanctions are killing citizens
‘Modern-day economic sanctions and blockades are comparable with medieval sieges of towns’
US sanctions are killing Venezuelans, says former UN rapporteur


". . . Despite being the first UN official to visit and report from Venezuela in 21 years, Mr de Zayas said his research into the causes of the country’s economic crisis has so far largely been ignored by the UN and the media, and caused little debate within the Human Rights Council.

He believes his report has been ignored because it goes against the popular narrative that Venezuela needs regime change.. . . . "

ODS HOME PAGE

Facts are stubborn ass things.

We have gone over this before in many posts. And I posted a video on this you clearly did not want to watch. You REFUSE to accept that the crashing of the economy there is due to PRIMARILY to illegal sanctions and the U.S. manipulation of oil prices.

U.S. manipulation? Tell me more!
When the government in Venezuela imposes price controls on food and then forces the grocery store to continue selling at the unprofitable price, with jail terms for "hoarding", instead of losing money with a forced sale, is that because of our sanctions?

When Venezuela seizes GM plants and Cargill rice mills, did the newly unemployed workers lose their jobs because of our sanctions?

Facts are stubborn ass things.

So is the inability of socialist price controls to replace a free market.

 

[MisterBeale]

He's not a dictator.

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?

Agree. They chose their government, they can unchoose it.

Thank you. THAT is the point. It is none of our business.

Nor should we be putting sanctions on them just because we don't care for the type of government they choose to have. They are the idiots that want to live with an unproductive type of economy, that is on THEM. They should have the freedom to have that, it is their right. It is THEIR natural resources, not ours.

Eventually, socialism will turn to complete corruption and backwardness. . .. IT will doom them, if they can't see from Cuba's example, rather than learn from Russia, that is on them.

It is a war crime what the west is doing to them. Blockades and siege-warfare always have been.

Any country has the right to sanction any other. No one can be forced to trade. But the Venezuelans voted in Socialism, had their guns confiscated, and now they must accept the consequences of their own stupidity.

I think that is a loathsome way to conduct business.

Starving children because you do not want their parents to have political emancipation?


Well, the refugee problems from S. America are on us then. . . . .

They can always choose to move to a Socialist paradise.

You make an excellent case for Capitalism.

If you want to do the bidding of corporate America, feel free. . .

Congratulations. You are as evil as Madelaine Albright.

 

[Aba Incieni]

Agree. They chose their government, they can unchoose it.

Thank you. THAT is the point. It is none of our business.

Nor should we be putting sanctions on them just because we don't care for the type of government they choose to have. They are the idiots that want to live with an unproductive type of economy, that is on THEM. They should have the freedom to have that, it is their right. It is THEIR natural resources, not ours.

Eventually, socialism will turn to complete corruption and backwardness. . .. IT will doom them, if they can't see from Cuba's example, rather than learn from Russia, that is on them.

It is a war crime what the west is doing to them. Blockades and siege-warfare always have been.

Any country has the right to sanction any other. No one can be forced to trade. But the Venezuelans voted in Socialism, had their guns confiscated, and now they must accept the consequences of their own stupidity.

I think that is a loathsome way to conduct business.

Starving children because you do not want their parents to have political emancipation?


Well, the refugee problems from S. America are on us then. . . . .

They can always choose to move to a Socialist paradise.

You make an excellent case for Capitalism.

If you want to do the bidding of corporate America, feel free. . .

Congratulations. You are as evil as Madelaine Albright.

I want people to be free to make their own decisions. Force appears to be your means.

 

[Godboy]

Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?

Where is the line on the chart for "government confiscation of maintenance funds"?
Or the one for "socialist incompetence"?

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?
Trump’s Economic Sanctions Have Cost Venezuela About $6bn Since August 2017

How about the one for "capitalist collusion"?

Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?

Is that what you call it when you stop paying your oil industry workers and they quit?

Why would you stop paying your workers?

Are you a crony capitalist?

I thinks its amusing that you think the US is the bad guy and Venezuala is the good guy. Your moral compass is broken and you seem to lack logic in all your nutty posts.

I thinks its amusing that you think the US is the bad guy and Venezuala is the good guy. Your moral compass is broken and you seem to lack logic in all your nutty posts.

If the US invades Venezuela like it did Iraq, does that make it a good guy or a bad guy?

What the fuck makes you think thats going to happen? Did one of your weirdo conspiracy sources convince you of that?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

He's not a dictator.

He just happens to rule Venezuela like one and was "elected" after all effective opponents were not allowed to receive votes.
Venezuela's Maduro Wins Boycotted Elections Amid Charges Of Fraud

He was democratically elected with more support than in any western nation.

Just like Castro, Hussein, Kim Jong Un always got, right?

As far as how the democratically elected government puts down a coup? I don't really care how violently they shoot, maim, kill, drive over, or otherwise demolish fools that try to overthrow a democratically and legitimately elected government.

Sounds like you used to work for the National Socialist Party in charge of Brown Shirt beat downs. How old are you?
I do take you at your word however that you don't give a damn about all the Venezuelan citizens who have been beaten, shot and crushed under the wheels of the armored vehicles of Meduro's goons. That's the sort of person you freely admit to being.

If their government is so dystopic, maybe the international cabal of criminals and thieves should allow the people of Venezuela to trade and do business with the world again, as they have not done anything wrong other than choose a government of their own sovereign choice.

Rank bullshit! Meduro lackeys were practically the only people who voted in a rigged election that was being boycotted by the electorate who knew what a fraud and hoax the election really was.

How much sympathy would you have for Antifa if they tried to overthrow Trump and they were treated in a similar fashion? I am willing to bet, not much, eh?

We don't murder people in the streets. Not even scum like Antifa. No one is shooting or crushing under an armored personnel carrier James Comey because of his leadership of a coup.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

OH, and btw, before the 20th century, sanctions, naval blockades, etc., were usually considered an act of war.

Just b/c no nation is crazy enough to retaliate upon a nation powerful enough to make sanctions work? Does NOT mean that sanctions are no longer an act of war.

Look it up... . . Sanctions ARE an act of war.

Sanctions ARE actually an alternative to war though you are far too dishonest and immoral to admit it and when a rogue state, like Maduro's dictatorship in Venezuela, turns their nation into a despotic hell hole then, short of actual war, sanctions are the only effective means of gaining compliance and providing relief for the people trapped with a madman.

The EU and OAS are fully on board with forcing Maduro to step down and Cuba, Vlad Putin (who seems to be the primary reason Meduro is still running things) and a only very few other bad actors like authoritarian dictators.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Thank you. THAT is the point. It is none of our business.

Nor should we be putting sanctions on them just because we don't care for the type of government they choose to have. They are the idiots that want to live with an unproductive type of economy, that is on THEM. They should have the freedom to have that, it is their right. It is THEIR natural resources, not ours.

Eventually, socialism will turn to complete corruption and backwardness. . .. IT will doom them, if they can't see from Cuba's example, rather than learn from Russia, that is on them.

It is a war crime what the west is doing to them. Blockades and siege-warfare always have been.

IF Russia and Vlad Putin were not the only thing keeping the illegal Maduro government from falling apart you would have more of a point, but still none at all from a humanitarian perspective.

Russia is a destabilizing force and as such the Organization of American States, the European Union and the rest of the civilized world (minus Iran, S.Africa, Cuba, China, etc.) all call for, at the very least, new and supervised elections that are fair and supervised by outside sources.

 

[the other mike]

They can always choose to move to a Socialist paradise.

.

Like Florida.

 

[Aba Incieni]

They can always choose to move to a Socialist paradise.

.

Like Florida.

Dat's Capitalism, Hank.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Reporter INSIDE Venezuelan Embassy Under Siege! w/Anya Parampil

 

[P F Tinmore]

What our government isn't telling us about Venezuela

 

[the other mike]

They can always choose to move to a Socialist paradise.

.

Like Florida.

Dat's Capitalism, Hank.

And without Social Security, Medicare, public schools and roads it would look
like Bangladesh.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

It's amazing how many people will stand up to support a brutal authoritarian dictator. I'll bet they attack Nazis for their views on Hitler when they are no better themselves. Ironic.

 

[the other mike]

It's amazing how many people will stand up to support a brutal authoritarian dictator. I'll bet they attack Nazis for their views on Hitler when they are no better themselves. Ironic.

 

[Aba Incieni]

They can always choose to move to a Socialist paradise.

.

Like Florida.

Dat's Capitalism, Hank.

And without Social Security, Medicare, public schools and roads it would look
like Bangladesh.

Without Capitalism it would look like Venezuela.

 

[the other mike]

They can always choose to move to a Socialist paradise.

.

Like Florida.

Dat's Capitalism, Hank.

And without Social Security, Medicare, public schools and roads it would look
like Bangladesh.

Without Capitalism it would look like Venezuela.

The capitalists are the ones hurting Venezuela.
Stop your silly fucking lying .