Ben Carson promotes the despotic income tax

johnwk

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Well, I see Ben Carson, just like a number of our establishment Republican candidates, is supporting a continuance of the socialist experiment of laying and collecting a federal tax calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes ___ and he even has invoked God in support of his proposed damnation!

In addition to circumventing our Constitution’s command requiring all direct taxes to be apportioned among the States, Carson’s tax reform keeps a patently evil power in our federal government’s hands that has been used over and over by our federal government for nefarious purposes, and has proven to be a major source of misery for hard working citizens and America’s businesses. So, why is Mr. Carson promoting income taxation?

Carson’s tax is a discriminatory tax in that it is laid directly upon the individual and measures the amount of tax the individual is to pay based upon their annual earnings which in effect commands our nation’s most productive citizens and businesses owners to finance the functions of government while the least productive citizen is not required to pay an equal share, or any share at all to support government! And yet, those who do not contribute an equal share to financing the functions of government are allowed to exercise a vote equal to those who do finance the functions of government.

Under our Constitution’s original tax plan, and with regard to direct taxes, the rule of apportionment provided a protection against the above mentioned abuse in that each state was required to pay a share of a direct tax proportionally equal to its representation. Under the rule of apportionment and whenever Congress decided to tax the people directly, as could happen under a capitation tax, it was to be an equal per capita type of tax, and not an unequal tax in which the most productive citizens would be forced to contribute an unequal share.

So, Mr. Carson apparently disagrees with our founder’s rule requiring representation with a proportional financial obligation. Or to put it another way, Carson apparently rejects the wisdom of one man one vote and one vote one dollar, and embraces a cornerstone of every socialist government.

Carson’s tax proposal is also arbitrary and capricious in another way. The definition of what is and what is not taxable “income” cannot be set in stone, and is left to never ending alterations and manipulations which are decided by a political majority in Congress. On the other hand, taxing consumption, which our founders intended to be Congress' primary source to fill our national treasury, is far less subject to abuse, and especially so because taxes paid on consumption are voluntarily paid by the manner in which one spends their money, and allows the market place to determine the limit of tax imposed upon every article chosen for taxation.

Carson’s tax also leaves the door wide open for government to use it as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes, while it is also used to reward the friends of big government. Have we not recently seen how this corruptible tax calculated from “incomes” has been used by political hacks in our federal government to attack freedom loving Americans and interfere with free speech?

If Ben Carson was sincere about real tax reform and took to heart the wisdom of our founding fathers, he would be talking about the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which is designed to bring us back to our Constitution’s original tax plan as our founders intended it to operate. Real tax reform begins with the following 32 words:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


JWK



Are we really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?
 
God and Mr. Carson have more cachet than jwk, so let's move right along.
 
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration. 16th Amendment to the Constitution...
 
God and Mr. Carson have more cachet than jwk, so let's move right along.

I am sure a lot of other socialists would agree with you.


JWK


“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
 
John, you would not a socialist if he came up and whatever, but the Income Tax is not socialism. Go and read the Constitution's power and the Amendment.
 
John, you would not a socialist if he came up and whatever, but the Income Tax is not socialism. Go and read the Constitution's power and the Amendment.



The Socialist Labor Party advocated a graduated income tax as far back as the late 1800s. In 1895 our Supreme Court struck down a tax upon income. The Socialist Labor Party immediately got behind the adoption of the 16th Amendment. You cannot change the truth to what it is not.


JWK


If, by calling a tax indirect when it is essentially direct, the rule of protection could be frittered away, one of the great landmarks defining the boundary between the nation and the states of which it is composed, would have disappeared, and with it one of the bulwarks of private rights and private property. POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 (1895)
 
Well, I see Ben Carson, just like a number of our establishment Republican candidates, is supporting a continuance of the socialist experiment of laying and collecting a federal tax calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes ___ and he even has invoked God in support of his proposed damnation!

In addition to circumventing our Constitution’s command requiring all direct taxes to be apportioned among the States, Carson’s tax reform keeps a patently evil power in our federal government’s hands that has been used over and over by our federal government for nefarious purposes, and has proven to be a major source of misery for hard working citizens and America’s businesses. So, why is Mr. Carson promoting income taxation?

Carson’s tax is a discriminatory tax in that it is laid directly upon the individual and measures the amount of tax the individual is to pay based upon their annual earnings which in effect commands our nation’s most productive citizens and businesses owners to finance the functions of government while the least productive citizen is not required to pay an equal share, or any share at all to support government! And yet, those who do not contribute an equal share to financing the functions of government are allowed to exercise a vote equal to those who do finance the functions of government.

Under our Constitution’s original tax plan, and with regard to direct taxes, the rule of apportionment provided a protection against the above mentioned abuse in that each state was required to pay a share of a direct tax proportionally equal to its representation. Under the rule of apportionment and whenever Congress decided to tax the people directly, as could happen under a capitation tax, it was to be an equal per capita type of tax, and not an unequal tax in which the most productive citizens would be forced to contribute an unequal share.

So, Mr. Carson apparently disagrees with our founder’s rule requiring representation with a proportional financial obligation. Or to put it another way, Carson apparently rejects the wisdom of one man one vote and one vote one dollar, and embraces a cornerstone of every socialist government.

Carson’s tax proposal is also arbitrary and capricious in another way. The definition of what is and what is not taxable “income” cannot be set in stone, and is left to never ending alterations and manipulations which are decided by a political majority in Congress. On the other hand, taxing consumption, which our founders intended to be Congress' primary source to fill our national treasury, is far less subject to abuse, and especially so because taxes paid on consumption are voluntarily paid by the manner in which one spends their money, and allows the market place to determine the limit of tax imposed upon every article chosen for taxation.

Carson’s tax also leaves the door wide open for government to use it as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes, while it is also used to reward the friends of big government. Have we not recently seen how this corruptible tax calculated from “incomes” has been used by political hacks in our federal government to attack freedom loving Americans and interfere with free speech?

If Ben Carson was sincere about real tax reform and took to heart the wisdom of our founding fathers, he would be talking about the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which is designed to bring us back to our Constitution’s original tax plan as our founders intended it to operate. Real tax reform begins with the following 32 words:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


JWK



Are we really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?

Wow.

All that reading for someone who has about 0.00000001% of the GOP vote.

Way to go dude!!
 
Democrats, Republicans, centrists, men, women, 2/3ds of the House and Senate, and 3/4s of the states say that jwk is rather ignorant on the subject.
 
Well, I see Ben Carson, just like a number of our establishment Republican candidates, is supporting a continuance of the socialist experiment of laying and collecting a federal tax calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes ___ and he even has invoked God in support of his proposed damnation!

In addition to circumventing our Constitution’s command requiring all direct taxes to be apportioned among the States, Carson’s tax reform keeps a patently evil power in our federal government’s hands that has been used over and over by our federal government for nefarious purposes, and has proven to be a major source of misery for hard working citizens and America’s businesses. So, why is Mr. Carson promoting income taxation?

Carson’s tax is a discriminatory tax in that it is laid directly upon the individual and measures the amount of tax the individual is to pay based upon their annual earnings which in effect commands our nation’s most productive citizens and businesses owners to finance the functions of government while the least productive citizen is not required to pay an equal share, or any share at all to support government! And yet, those who do not contribute an equal share to financing the functions of government are allowed to exercise a vote equal to those who do finance the functions of government.

Under our Constitution’s original tax plan, and with regard to direct taxes, the rule of apportionment provided a protection against the above mentioned abuse in that each state was required to pay a share of a direct tax proportionally equal to its representation. Under the rule of apportionment and whenever Congress decided to tax the people directly, as could happen under a capitation tax, it was to be an equal per capita type of tax, and not an unequal tax in which the most productive citizens would be forced to contribute an unequal share.

So, Mr. Carson apparently disagrees with our founder’s rule requiring representation with a proportional financial obligation. Or to put it another way, Carson apparently rejects the wisdom of one man one vote and one vote one dollar, and embraces a cornerstone of every socialist government.

Carson’s tax proposal is also arbitrary and capricious in another way. The definition of what is and what is not taxable “income” cannot be set in stone, and is left to never ending alterations and manipulations which are decided by a political majority in Congress. On the other hand, taxing consumption, which our founders intended to be Congress' primary source to fill our national treasury, is far less subject to abuse, and especially so because taxes paid on consumption are voluntarily paid by the manner in which one spends their money, and allows the market place to determine the limit of tax imposed upon every article chosen for taxation.

Carson’s tax also leaves the door wide open for government to use it as a political weapon to silence, threaten and punish political foes, while it is also used to reward the friends of big government. Have we not recently seen how this corruptible tax calculated from “incomes” has been used by political hacks in our federal government to attack freedom loving Americans and interfere with free speech?

If Ben Carson was sincere about real tax reform and took to heart the wisdom of our founding fathers, he would be talking about the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment which is designed to bring us back to our Constitution’s original tax plan as our founders intended it to operate. Real tax reform begins with the following 32 words:

The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


JWK



Are we really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?

Wow.

All that reading for someone who has about 0.00000001% of the GOP vote.

Way to go dude!!

Let us not forget that a number of the other Republican candidates also promote keeping the despotic income tax. What I posted above highlights some of the evils of income taxation and the question must be answered, why do so many of our Republican candidates support this evil system of taxation?


JWK
 
Most of the GOP wants the tax code reformed not eliminated.

We the People chose the Income Tax, which originally was only on the well off.
 
Most of the GOP wants the tax code reformed not eliminated.

We the People chose the Income Tax, which originally was only on the well off.




And what is your opinion with regard to the objections to Carson's tax reform which are listed at the top of this page?


For example, Carson's tax plan is designed to seek out and require hard working people living in our nation's inner cities to pay more in taxes than those who prefer to not work and live off the public dole. This concept is right out of the playbook of socialism, and we have seen what has happened in socialist Greece. Why on earth would a self-described "conservative" promote such an evil tax?


I wonder if Carson agrees with the rule of apportionment as applied to each state's representation in Congress. If he does, then why not apply the same rule to direct taxation as our founders intended? Does he only agree with one man one vote, and reject one vote one dollar?



JWK

Are you really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?



 
The argument is not about reforms but your nonsense about a "despotic income tax", which is no such thing.
 

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