Bernie, AOC: Please STFU

[Mac1958]

The nutters and psychos are in control of the parties.

So, the wild swings back and forth will continue. Wave elections, back and forth.

Big waves destroy things over time.
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I disagree. Pelosi and McConnell are not nutters or psychos. Speaker Pelosi is a pragmatist; McConnell is a master of machination, all legal, and all partisan and self serving.

A couple of freshman speaking out, which may marry with Speaker Pelosi' thinking, but as leader she knows changes require a bi-partisan vote.

These freshman lack the seasoning to mellow their rhetoric and work step by step to bring progressives ideas into the mainstream - going too fast isn't going to bring change, it will slow it down, possibly to a stop.

I'm not talking about party leadership. I'm talking about the fact that the energy in both parties is with their nutters.

The loudest part of the base, in both cases.

Naturally, those nutters won't recognize that fact from their nutter perspective.
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Going off what you wrote the reality is many know the fringe elements now control both sides of the political spectrum.

At one time those elements ran on the Green, Libertatian or one of the third political parties or just independent while never consider a serious threat but now they have infiltrated both major political parties from those like Trump to those like Cortez and Sanders.

On the right you have the MAGA crowd that believe America was no longer great and you ended up with some charlatan like Trump becoming President and on the left you have those that want free stuff paid by the taxpayers of this society and that is how we have Cortez and Sanders.

George H.W. Bush was the last decent President and Bill Clinton was the last one that was willing to work with those that wanted him gone.

If Trump loses to someone like Sanders or those like him then America will keep on down the road of Destruction.

America need a moderate in 2020 and the op'er and many like them will proclaim the Democrat candidate will be moderate even if they scream for more governments control and less freedom...

Agree completely.

The GOP has been polluted by a powerful, simplistic, libertarian, incredibly binary, all-government-is-evil influence that is simply in some weird Olde West universe of its own.

I'm not quite sure what has happened to the Democrats. You may be right, it may just be Green Party types, but I don't know where these Regressive Left, illiberal authoritarian types came from. They are not liberal. So either they oozed out of some hole, or they've been hiding who they really are and now feel emboldened.

Which is a real bitch for those of us who believe in real American liberalism and would prefer to vote Democrat.
.

 

[francoHFW]

Fascist? Most of the time "fascist" a word left wing pot heads shout when they are busted for drugs. Since "fascism" is government control of the manufacture and distribution of goods and services it seems that Bernie Sanders comes closest to being a neo-fascist. Do lefties love him or hate him? It's hard to tell because you can't get the truth out of the mainstream media these days.

Fascism is always descending on the United States, and landing firmly in the ranks of the Democrats.

Wow, what a post, filled with probative evidence which are presented clearly and in so few words. Remarkable.





SARCASM ALERT

I see that you are stung by a bit of truth.

Good. Perhaps there is hope for you yet, but I'll not wager on it.

If you believe that fascism is Democratic, you are a brainwashed functional moron.fascism has always been right wing and it always will be, no matter what your high school grad x Coke head bought off pundits say, idiot.

Wrong again, swampy.

I believe that many of the Democrats have given up on any pretenses of Democracy and Classical liberalism. Socialist-Communist-Fascist Authoritarianism increasingly dominate their values, policies, strategies and tactics. Calling them Democrats is quite Orwellian at this point.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Communism and authoritarianism my ass, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Fascism is always descending on the United States, and landing firmly in the ranks of the Democrats.

Wow, what a post, filled with probative evidence which are presented clearly and in so few words. Remarkable.





SARCASM ALERT

I see that you are stung by a bit of truth.

Good. Perhaps there is hope for you yet, but I'll not wager on it.

If you believe that fascism is Democratic, you are a brainwashed functional moron.fascism has always been right wing and it always will be, no matter what your high school grad x Coke head bought off pundits say, idiot.

Wrong again, swampy.

I believe that many of the Democrats have given up on any pretenses of Democracy and Classical liberalism. Socialist-Communist-Fascist Authoritarianism increasingly dominate their values, policies, strategies and tactics. Calling them Democrats is quite Orwellian at this point.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Communism and authoritarianism my ass, brainwashed functional moron.

So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?

 

[francoHFW]

The nutters and psychos are in control of the parties.

So, the wild swings back and forth will continue. Wave elections, back and forth.

Big waves destroy things over time.
.

I disagree. Pelosi and McConnell are not nutters or psychos. Speaker Pelosi is a pragmatist; McConnell is a master of machination, all legal, and all partisan and self serving.

A couple of freshman speaking out, which may marry with Speaker Pelosi' thinking, but as leader she knows changes require a bi-partisan vote.

These freshman lack the seasoning to mellow their rhetoric and work step by step to bring progressives ideas into the mainstream - going too fast isn't going to bring change, it will slow it down, possibly to a stop.

I'm not talking about party leadership. I'm talking about the fact that the energy in both parties is with their nutters.

The loudest part of the base, in both cases.

Naturally, those nutters won't recognize that fact from their nutter perspective.
.

Going off what you wrote the reality is many know the fringe elements now control both sides of the political spectrum.

At one time those elements ran on the Green, Libertatian or one of the third political parties or just independent while never consider a serious threat but now they have infiltrated both major political parties from those like Trump to those like Cortez and Sanders.

On the right you have the MAGA crowd that believe America was no longer great and you ended up with some charlatan like Trump becoming President and on the left you have those that want free stuff paid by the taxpayers of this society and that is how we have Cortez and Sanders.

George H.W. Bush was the last decent President and Bill Clinton was the last one that was willing to work with those that wanted him gone.

If Trump loses to someone like Sanders or those like him then America will keep on down the road of Destruction.

America need a moderate in 2020 and the op'er and many like them will proclaim the Democrat candidate will be moderate even if they scream for more governments control and less freedom...

Agree completely.

The GOP has been polluted by a powerful, simplistic, libertarian, incredibly binary, all-government-is-evil influence that is simply in some weird Olde West universe of its own.

I'm not quite sure what has happened to the Democrats. You may be right, it may just be Green Party types, but I don't know where these Regressive Left, illiberal authoritarian types came from. They are not liberal. So either they oozed out of some hole, or they've been hiding who they really are and now feel emboldened.

Which is a real bitch for those of us who believe in real American liberalism and would prefer to vote Democrat.
.

You are misinformed about Democrats. let's just say the b******* character assassination and misinformation GOP propaganda machine is the very good at what it does. Foreigners don't understand that half of our people are brainwashed fools at this point to one extent or another.... Our law enforcement and journalists are still great. On the other hand.

 

[francoHFW]

Wow, what a post, filled with probative evidence which are presented clearly and in so few words. Remarkable.





SARCASM ALERT

I see that you are stung by a bit of truth.

Good. Perhaps there is hope for you yet, but I'll not wager on it.

If you believe that fascism is Democratic, you are a brainwashed functional moron.fascism has always been right wing and it always will be, no matter what your high school grad x Coke head bought off pundits say, idiot.

Wrong again, swampy.

I believe that many of the Democrats have given up on any pretenses of Democracy and Classical liberalism. Socialist-Communist-Fascist Authoritarianism increasingly dominate their values, policies, strategies and tactics. Calling them Democrats is quite Orwellian at this point.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Communism and authoritarianism my ass, brainwashed functional moron.

So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?

None of these things are mandatory, super dupe.... Some of those things are happening as we speak. Perhaps electric propeller planes are more of the future....you are a brainwashed functional moron at this point and you have plenty of company LOL aaarrrggghhh. Did you see that China is already starting to make 10 million electric cars a year and are giving huge subsidies?and in the whole world only Republicans deny global warming man-made global warming... And only Republicans believe in not taxing the rich more percentage wise than the rest. Perfect recipe to wreck the middle class and the country's infrastructure....

 

[Ambivalent1]

I see that you are stung by a bit of truth.

Good. Perhaps there is hope for you yet, but I'll not wager on it.

If you believe that fascism is Democratic, you are a brainwashed functional moron.fascism has always been right wing and it always will be, no matter what your high school grad x Coke head bought off pundits say, idiot.

Wrong again, swampy.

I believe that many of the Democrats have given up on any pretenses of Democracy and Classical liberalism. Socialist-Communist-Fascist Authoritarianism increasingly dominate their values, policies, strategies and tactics. Calling them Democrats is quite Orwellian at this point.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Communism and authoritarianism my ass, brainwashed functional moron.

So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?

None of these things are mandatory, super dupe.... Some of those things are happening as we speak. Perhaps electric propeller planes are more of the future....you are a brainwashed functional moron at this point and you have plenty of company LOL aaarrrggghhh. Did you see that China is going to start making 10 million electric cars a year and are giving huge subsidies?and in the whole world only Republicans deny global warming man-made global warming... And only Republicans believe in not taxing the rich more percentage wise than the rest. Perfect recipe to wreck the middle class and the country's infrastructure....

"So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?"

I said you coward. What are YOU prepared to make me do so you can think your family won't die by the rising of the sea? Yes she and YOU would support force.

 

[francoHFW]

If you believe that fascism is Democratic, you are a brainwashed functional moron.fascism has always been right wing and it always will be, no matter what your high school grad x Coke head bought off pundits say, idiot.

Wrong again, swampy.

I believe that many of the Democrats have given up on any pretenses of Democracy and Classical liberalism. Socialist-Communist-Fascist Authoritarianism increasingly dominate their values, policies, strategies and tactics. Calling them Democrats is quite Orwellian at this point.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Communism and authoritarianism my ass, brainwashed functional moron.

So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?

None of these things are mandatory, super dupe.... Some of those things are happening as we speak. Perhaps electric propeller planes are more of the future....you are a brainwashed functional moron at this point and you have plenty of company LOL aaarrrggghhh. Did you see that China is going to start making 10 million electric cars a year and are giving huge subsidies?and in the whole world only Republicans deny global warming man-made global warming... And only Republicans believe in not taxing the rich more percentage wise than the rest. Perfect recipe to wreck the middle class and the country's infrastructure....

"So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?"

I said you coward. What are YOU prepared to make me do so you can think your family won't die by the rising of the sea? Yes she and YOU would support force.

Try and remain calm, hater dupe. LOL. You don't even believe in global warming probably so the whole world thinks you are insane. LOL

as a GOP Dupe, you probably know all the details of hundreds of imaginary scandals but don't know the GOP is robbing you blind and lies nonstop

 

[Ambivalent1]

Wrong again, swampy.

I believe that many of the Democrats have given up on any pretenses of Democracy and Classical liberalism. Socialist-Communist-Fascist Authoritarianism increasingly dominate their values, policies, strategies and tactics. Calling them Democrats is quite Orwellian at this point.

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Communism and authoritarianism my ass, brainwashed functional moron.

So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?

None of these things are mandatory, super dupe.... Some of those things are happening as we speak. Perhaps electric propeller planes are more of the future....you are a brainwashed functional moron at this point and you have plenty of company LOL aaarrrggghhh. Did you see that China is going to start making 10 million electric cars a year and are giving huge subsidies?and in the whole world only Republicans deny global warming man-made global warming... And only Republicans believe in not taxing the rich more percentage wise than the rest. Perfect recipe to wreck the middle class and the country's infrastructure....

"So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?"

I said you coward. What are YOU prepared to make me do so you can think your family won't die by the rising of the sea? Yes she and YOU would support force.

Try and remain calm, hater dupe. LOL. You don't even believe in global warming probably so the whole world thinks you are insane. LOL

as a GOP Dupe, you probably know all the details of hundreds of imaginary scandals but don't know the GOP is robbing you blind and lies nonstop

Run franco, run. YOU would support force to make me do what YOU think I should do. You know it, I know it. Why are you such a coward?

 

[BluesLegend]

AOC and Bernie are out there telling the American people the truth about what Dem's want to do and Dem politicians are like OMG somebody tell those two idiots to before we get blown out in 2020.

 

[BluesLegend]

You don't even believe in global warming

You believe in global warming?

 

[Mac1958]

You are misinformed about Democrats. let's just say the b******* character assassination and misinformation GOP propaganda machine is the very good at what it does.

Wrong. That's just like the right wingers claiming that my opinion of Trump and his behaviors exists only because of what the media says.

They say the same damn thing. Peas in a pod, you folks are.

My opinions are based on my own personal observations, not from talking points fed to me by one of the silly tribes.

What has happened to the Democratic party is terribly clear, and it's a damn shame.
.

 

[BluesLegend]

My opinions are based on my own personal observations, not from talking points fed to me by one of the silly tribes.

Pick a side already, stop fence sitting in the middle.

 

[Mac1958]

My opinions are based on my own personal observations, not from talking points fed to me by one of the silly tribes.

Pick a side already, stop fence sitting in the middle.

I have. It's described in the first line of my sig.

I happily take incoming from both ends every day. Unlike you, I don't have an ideological Safe Space in which I can hide.

Nor do I need one.
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[Tehon]

What has happened to the Democratic party is terribly clear.

I'm not quite sure what has happened to the Democrats.

 

[Mac1958]

What has happened to the Democratic party is terribly clear.

I'm not quite sure what has happened to the Democrats.

It has gone south, and insane.

I'm not quite sure why.

I hope that helps.
.

 

[Markle]

Classic hater dupe∆∆∆Democrats are communist traders now? You poor things are out of your minds poor America also

Traitors sploogy, you're TRAITORS, not "traders."

Fucking retard.

Like all the other scandals about Democrats, you have absolutely no evidence and actually it's ridiculous.

It's a SmartPhone get used to it, grammar Queen super dupe...

GOP dupes will do anything to avoid talking about the actual issues....

You were the one whining. No one else.

 

[francoHFW]

Communism and authoritarianism my ass, brainwashed functional moron.

So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?

None of these things are mandatory, super dupe.... Some of those things are happening as we speak. Perhaps electric propeller planes are more of the future....you are a brainwashed functional moron at this point and you have plenty of company LOL aaarrrggghhh. Did you see that China is going to start making 10 million electric cars a year and are giving huge subsidies?and in the whole world only Republicans deny global warming man-made global warming... And only Republicans believe in not taxing the rich more percentage wise than the rest. Perfect recipe to wreck the middle class and the country's infrastructure....

"So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?"

I said you coward. What are YOU prepared to make me do so you can think your family won't die by the rising of the sea? Yes she and YOU would support force.

Try and remain calm, hater dupe. LOL. You don't even believe in global warming probably so the whole world thinks you are insane. LOL

as a GOP Dupe, you probably know all the details of hundreds of imaginary scandals but don't know the GOP is robbing you blind and lies nonstop

Run franco, run. YOU would support force to make me do what YOU think I should do. You know it, I know it. Why are you such a coward?

Nobody gives a s*** what you do and we're not going to make you do anything. Brainwashed into hate much? I kind of like the idea of electric propeller planes. Maybe even a nice electric ocean liner....

By the way, hater Dupe, thanks for the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history and for blocking intelligent Health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good vacations and infrastructure, taxing the rich their fair share and an ID card to end illegal immigration, like every other modern rich country has. Great job scumbag GOP

 

[Ambivalent1]

So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?

None of these things are mandatory, super dupe.... Some of those things are happening as we speak. Perhaps electric propeller planes are more of the future....you are a brainwashed functional moron at this point and you have plenty of company LOL aaarrrggghhh. Did you see that China is going to start making 10 million electric cars a year and are giving huge subsidies?and in the whole world only Republicans deny global warming man-made global warming... And only Republicans believe in not taxing the rich more percentage wise than the rest. Perfect recipe to wreck the middle class and the country's infrastructure....

"So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?"

I said you coward. What are YOU prepared to make me do so you can think your family won't die by the rising of the sea? Yes she and YOU would support force.

Try and remain calm, hater dupe. LOL. You don't even believe in global warming probably so the whole world thinks you are insane. LOL

as a GOP Dupe, you probably know all the details of hundreds of imaginary scandals but don't know the GOP is robbing you blind and lies nonstop

Run franco, run. YOU would support force to make me do what YOU think I should do. You know it, I know it. Why are you such a coward?

Nobody gives a s*** what you do and we're not going to make you do anything. Brainwashed into hate much? I kind of like the idea of electric propeller planes. Maybe even a nice electric ocean liner....

By the way, hater Dupe, thanks for the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history and for blocking intelligent Health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good vacations and infrastructure, taxing the rich their fair share and an ID card to end illegal immigration, like every other modern rich country has. Great job scumbag GOP

franco you are a child. You are also a liar.

 

[Markle]

Hardly any rights are equal because some are born with all the capital they need for their lives, for a home, the best education, seed money for investment purposes that will provide a life time of revenue without a day of labor to actually produce anything.

Those not born with those capital assets, are forced to move when landlords raise the rent too high, pay higher taxes because they can't take advantage of the same write offs, can't afford a good education, can't invest because banks won't loan them anything, etc.

Give it a break. Simply because you're a loser doesn't mean everyone else is a loser.

 

[francoHFW]

None of these things are mandatory, super dupe.... Some of those things are happening as we speak. Perhaps electric propeller planes are more of the future....you are a brainwashed functional moron at this point and you have plenty of company LOL aaarrrggghhh. Did you see that China is going to start making 10 million electric cars a year and are giving huge subsidies?and in the whole world only Republicans deny global warming man-made global warming... And only Republicans believe in not taxing the rich more percentage wise than the rest. Perfect recipe to wreck the middle class and the country's infrastructure....

"So you support making me use alternative source of transportation?
You support me eating less meat?
You support doing away with ALL use of fossil fuels and Air Travel within 10 years?"

I said you coward. What are YOU prepared to make me do so you can think your family won't die by the rising of the sea? Yes she and YOU would support force.

Try and remain calm, hater dupe. LOL. You don't even believe in global warming probably so the whole world thinks you are insane. LOL

as a GOP Dupe, you probably know all the details of hundreds of imaginary scandals but don't know the GOP is robbing you blind and lies nonstop

Run franco, run. YOU would support force to make me do what YOU think I should do. You know it, I know it. Why are you such a coward?

Nobody gives a s*** what you do and we're not going to make you do anything. Brainwashed into hate much? I kind of like the idea of electric propeller planes. Maybe even a nice electric ocean liner....

By the way, hater Dupe, thanks for the worst inequality and upward mobility in our history and for blocking intelligent Health Care daycare paid parental leave cheap college and training good vacations and infrastructure, taxing the rich their fair share and an ID card to end illegal immigration, like every other modern rich country has. Great job scumbag GOP

franco you are a child. You are also a liar.

Do you think we should give gigantic tax breaks and subsidies to Big Oil? That might be enough to get a lot of people more involved in alternative energy.... You people are supposedly conservatives.... Do conservatives give gigantic subsidies and tax breaks to Big Oil? Big health big Pharma? you people are idiots....