francoHFW
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With socialism you get a paid 4-8 week paid vacation after a year of work. And get your job back? What is freedom? How bout free college or being paid for it?
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Bernie Sanders Touts Marxist Economists
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francoHFW
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Pure socialism is nuts, like pure capitalism.We have no freedom now, pure socialism would make this country a prison.There is no loss of freedom. Individuality is just an American thing.Socialism kills the spirit of the individual… there's no reason to live without individuality and freedom.How? Our medicine/care is just too expensive and greedy.Socialized medicine will destroy millions… FactIt's so expensive that that doesn't work as a system. Hey good luck- it's the American way. But the PROBLEM here is how ridiculously expensive doctors, drugs and hospitals are. My father the surgeon was alone around here to be for universal health care. They're all GOP bastids lol...
Without the individual we have nothing…
francoHFW
Diamond Member
Europe is small- that may be what you're thinking of. Canada is socialist and not lacking individuality. Bad manners, maybe lol..Socialism kills the spirit of the individual… there's no reason to live without individuality and freedom.How? Our medicine/care is just too expensive and greedy.Socialized medicine will destroy millions… FactIt's so expensive that that doesn't work as a system. Hey good luck- it's the American way. But the PROBLEM here is how ridiculously expensive doctors, drugs and hospitals are. My father the surgeon was alone around here to be for universal health care. They're all GOP bastids lol...Millions will not be able to survive in such a overbearing controlling system. I have no right to healthcare, the only right I have when it comes to healthcare is to earn it...The only medical decision you hate is the mandate. Obama at first didn't want that. I'm afraid single payer and more regulation of Big Health will be necessary to get costs down...
francoHFW
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No and yes. You may be thinking of GD COMMUNISM.Socialism kills the spirit of the individual… there's no reason to live without individuality and freedom.How? Our medicine/care is just too expensive and greedy.Socialized medicine will destroy millions… FactIt's so expensive that that doesn't work as a system. Hey good luck- it's the American way. But the PROBLEM here is how ridiculously expensive doctors, drugs and hospitals are. My father the surgeon was alone around here to be for universal health care. They're all GOP bastids lol...Millions will not be able to survive in such a overbearing controlling system. I have no right to healthcare, the only right I have when it comes to healthcare is to earn it...The only medical decision you hate is the mandate. Obama at first didn't want that. I'm afraid single payer and more regulation of Big Health will be necessary to get costs down...
American_Jihad
Flaming Libs/Koranimals
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SOCIALIST POWER COUPLE UNDER INVESTIGATION
When leftists lawyer up.
June 29, 2017
Matthew Vadum
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The leftist power couple lawyered up, reportedly hiring big-name defense attorneys. Rich Cassidy of Burlington, Vt., is representing Bernie, while Beltway insider Larry Robbins, who advised Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is acting for Jane.
Sanders, who used to be mayor of Burlington, said it was “fairly pathetic” that his family was being attacked and seemed to hint that the allegations of fraud and undue influence materialized out of thin air. He described his wife as “about the most honest person I know."
As the small college’s president from 2004 to 2011, Jane O’Meara Sanders apparently bankrupted the nontraditional institution of higher learning founded in 1972 through reckless spending – just as her husband promised to do to America if elected president of the United States. When it went under, the college sent out a press release blaming the “crushing weight of debt” Mrs. Sanders incurred for its demise.
The FBI is reportedly investigating Jane Sanders for allegedly misrepresenting donations to the college in a $10 million loan application to People's United Bank in 2010. The money was to acquire 33 acres of land from a cash-strapped church to expand the college. The property was on the shores of Lake Champlain.
As a media outlet reported last year,
...
Socialist Power Couple Under Investigation
When leftists lawyer up.
June 29, 2017
Matthew Vadum
...
The leftist power couple lawyered up, reportedly hiring big-name defense attorneys. Rich Cassidy of Burlington, Vt., is representing Bernie, while Beltway insider Larry Robbins, who advised Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is acting for Jane.
Sanders, who used to be mayor of Burlington, said it was “fairly pathetic” that his family was being attacked and seemed to hint that the allegations of fraud and undue influence materialized out of thin air. He described his wife as “about the most honest person I know."
As the small college’s president from 2004 to 2011, Jane O’Meara Sanders apparently bankrupted the nontraditional institution of higher learning founded in 1972 through reckless spending – just as her husband promised to do to America if elected president of the United States. When it went under, the college sent out a press release blaming the “crushing weight of debt” Mrs. Sanders incurred for its demise.
The FBI is reportedly investigating Jane Sanders for allegedly misrepresenting donations to the college in a $10 million loan application to People's United Bank in 2010. The money was to acquire 33 acres of land from a cash-strapped church to expand the college. The property was on the shores of Lake Champlain.
As a media outlet reported last year,
...
Socialist Power Couple Under Investigation
francoHFW
Diamond Member
Any real source? lolSOCIALIST POWER COUPLE UNDER INVESTIGATION
When leftists lawyer up.
June 29, 2017
Matthew Vadum
...
The leftist power couple lawyered up, reportedly hiring big-name defense attorneys. Rich Cassidy of Burlington, Vt., is representing Bernie, while Beltway insider Larry Robbins, who advised Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is acting for Jane.
Sanders, who used to be mayor of Burlington, said it was “fairly pathetic” that his family was being attacked and seemed to hint that the allegations of fraud and undue influence materialized out of thin air. He described his wife as “about the most honest person I know."
As the small college’s president from 2004 to 2011, Jane O’Meara Sanders apparently bankrupted the nontraditional institution of higher learning founded in 1972 through reckless spending – just as her husband promised to do to America if elected president of the United States. When it went under, the college sent out a press release blaming the “crushing weight of debt” Mrs. Sanders incurred for its demise.
The FBI is reportedly investigating Jane Sanders for allegedly misrepresenting donations to the college in a $10 million loan application to People's United Bank in 2010. The money was to acquire 33 acres of land from a cash-strapped church to expand the college. The property was on the shores of Lake Champlain.
As a media outlet reported last year,
...
Socialist Power Couple Under Investigation
American_Jihad
Flaming Libs/Koranimals
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Take your pick you ssob lol...Any real source? lolSOCIALIST POWER COUPLE UNDER INVESTIGATION
When leftists lawyer up.
June 29, 2017
Matthew Vadum
...
The leftist power couple lawyered up, reportedly hiring big-name defense attorneys. Rich Cassidy of Burlington, Vt., is representing Bernie, while Beltway insider Larry Robbins, who advised Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is acting for Jane.
Sanders, who used to be mayor of Burlington, said it was “fairly pathetic” that his family was being attacked and seemed to hint that the allegations of fraud and undue influence materialized out of thin air. He described his wife as “about the most honest person I know."
As the small college’s president from 2004 to 2011, Jane O’Meara Sanders apparently bankrupted the nontraditional institution of higher learning founded in 1972 through reckless spending – just as her husband promised to do to America if elected president of the United States. When it went under, the college sent out a press release blaming the “crushing weight of debt” Mrs. Sanders incurred for its demise.
The FBI is reportedly investigating Jane Sanders for allegedly misrepresenting donations to the college in a $10 million loan application to People's United Bank in 2010. The money was to acquire 33 acres of land from a cash-strapped church to expand the college. The property was on the shores of Lake Champlain.
As a media outlet reported last year,
...
Socialist Power Couple Under Investigation
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francoHFW
Diamond Member
Douche "a shower of water"Take your pick you ssob lol...Any real source? lolSOCIALIST POWER COUPLE UNDER INVESTIGATION
When leftists lawyer up.
June 29, 2017
Matthew Vadum
...
The leftist power couple lawyered up, reportedly hiring big-name defense attorneys. Rich Cassidy of Burlington, Vt., is representing Bernie, while Beltway insider Larry Robbins, who advised Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is acting for Jane.
Sanders, who used to be mayor of Burlington, said it was “fairly pathetic” that his family was being attacked and seemed to hint that the allegations of fraud and undue influence materialized out of thin air. He described his wife as “about the most honest person I know."
As the small college’s president from 2004 to 2011, Jane O’Meara Sanders apparently bankrupted the nontraditional institution of higher learning founded in 1972 through reckless spending – just as her husband promised to do to America if elected president of the United States. When it went under, the college sent out a press release blaming the “crushing weight of debt” Mrs. Sanders incurred for its demise.
The FBI is reportedly investigating Jane Sanders for allegedly misrepresenting donations to the college in a $10 million loan application to People's United Bank in 2010. The money was to acquire 33 acres of land from a cash-strapped church to expand the college. The property was on the shores of Lake Champlain.
As a media outlet reported last year,
...
Socialist Power Couple Under Investigation
douche - Google Search
Bernie is NOT, AND it comes from a Trump a-hole who's done this before to progressives..ie, TOTAL Pubcrappe, dupe.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...cuser/&usg=AFQjCNHcwfExvzFpVHpY9jy4GcfQs4mHqA
American_Jihad
Flaming Libs/Koranimals
- Thread starter
- #89
Douche was for you, imbecile...Douche "a shower of water"Take your pick you ssob lol...Any real source? lolSOCIALIST POWER COUPLE UNDER INVESTIGATION
When leftists lawyer up.
June 29, 2017
Matthew Vadum
...
The leftist power couple lawyered up, reportedly hiring big-name defense attorneys. Rich Cassidy of Burlington, Vt., is representing Bernie, while Beltway insider Larry Robbins, who advised Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is acting for Jane.
Sanders, who used to be mayor of Burlington, said it was “fairly pathetic” that his family was being attacked and seemed to hint that the allegations of fraud and undue influence materialized out of thin air. He described his wife as “about the most honest person I know."
As the small college’s president from 2004 to 2011, Jane O’Meara Sanders apparently bankrupted the nontraditional institution of higher learning founded in 1972 through reckless spending – just as her husband promised to do to America if elected president of the United States. When it went under, the college sent out a press release blaming the “crushing weight of debt” Mrs. Sanders incurred for its demise.
The FBI is reportedly investigating Jane Sanders for allegedly misrepresenting donations to the college in a $10 million loan application to People's United Bank in 2010. The money was to acquire 33 acres of land from a cash-strapped church to expand the college. The property was on the shores of Lake Champlain.
As a media outlet reported last year,
...
Socialist Power Couple Under Investigation
douche - Google Search
Bernie is NOT, AND it comes from a Trump a-hole who's done this before to progressives..ie, TOTAL Pubcrappe, dupe.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiQoLCDgeXUAhWKeD4KHb3TCLEQqUMILjAC&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sanders-defends-his-wife-fires-back-at-her-accuser/&usg=AFQjCNHcwfExvzFpVHpY9jy4GcfQs4mHqA
francoHFW
Diamond Member
DUHHHHH, superdupe. Your link LIES. Only his wife, and total bs source.Douche was for you, imbecile...Douche "a shower of water"Take your pick you ssob lol...Any real source? lolSOCIALIST POWER COUPLE UNDER INVESTIGATION
When leftists lawyer up.
June 29, 2017
Matthew Vadum
...
The leftist power couple lawyered up, reportedly hiring big-name defense attorneys. Rich Cassidy of Burlington, Vt., is representing Bernie, while Beltway insider Larry Robbins, who advised Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, is acting for Jane.
Sanders, who used to be mayor of Burlington, said it was “fairly pathetic” that his family was being attacked and seemed to hint that the allegations of fraud and undue influence materialized out of thin air. He described his wife as “about the most honest person I know."
As the small college’s president from 2004 to 2011, Jane O’Meara Sanders apparently bankrupted the nontraditional institution of higher learning founded in 1972 through reckless spending – just as her husband promised to do to America if elected president of the United States. When it went under, the college sent out a press release blaming the “crushing weight of debt” Mrs. Sanders incurred for its demise.
The FBI is reportedly investigating Jane Sanders for allegedly misrepresenting donations to the college in a $10 million loan application to People's United Bank in 2010. The money was to acquire 33 acres of land from a cash-strapped church to expand the college. The property was on the shores of Lake Champlain.
As a media outlet reported last year,
...
Socialist Power Couple Under Investigation
douche - Google Search
Bernie is NOT, AND it comes from a Trump a-hole who's done this before to progressives..ie, TOTAL Pubcrappe, dupe.https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiQoLCDgeXUAhWKeD4KHb3TCLEQqUMILjAC&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sanders-defends-his-wife-fires-back-at-her-accuser/&usg=AFQjCNHcwfExvzFpVHpY9jy4GcfQs4mHqA
Tehon
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it is because Marx's socialism is used as a scare tactic in that it will lead to communism.
Marx had some interesting things to say about the capitalist mode of production. Things that are problematic for the rulers of society should people start examining them. This is the reason Americans are systematically scared away from him.Marx legitimized what was adiscreditedbelief, purely because he was educated and could present the ideas in a logical and scientific fashion. Marx is representative of Socialism because he was the most, not least, rational of socialist thought.
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
it is because Marx's socialism is used as a scare tactic in that it will lead to communism.
Marx had some interesting things to say about the capitalist mode of production. Things that are problematic for the rulers of society should people start examining them. This is the reason Americans are systematically scared away from him.Marx legitimized what was adiscreditedbelief, purely because he was educated and could present the ideas in a logical and scientific fashion. Marx is representative of Socialism because he was the most, not least, rational of socialist thought.
I'm not convinced that people are scared away from him. 99% of the fascist left have never read Marx and spout a comic book version of what they think socialism is. Most of the left are simply stupid and believe that Socialism will give them something for nothing. If they had ever read Marx, they would find he had a VERY different view and advocated the elimination, the killing of the "useless eaters."
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So why did Marx's dialectical materialism never come to pass?it is because Marx's socialism is used as a scare tactic in that it will lead to communism.
Marx had some interesting things to say about the capitalist mode of production. Things that are problematic for the rulers of society should people start examining them. This is the reason Americans are systematically scared away from him.Marx legitimized what was adiscreditedbelief, purely because he was educated and could present the ideas in a logical and scientific fashion. Marx is representative of Socialism because he was the most, not least, rational of socialist thought.
I'm not convinced that people are scared away from him. 99% of the fascist left have never read Marx and spout a comic book version of what they think socialism is. Most of the left are simply stupid and believe that Socialism will give them something for nothing. If they had ever read Marx, they would find he had a VERY different view and advocated the elimination, the killing of the "useless eaters."
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
So why did Marx's dialectical materialism never come to pass?it is because Marx's socialism is used as a scare tactic in that it will lead to communism.
Marx had some interesting things to say about the capitalist mode of production. Things that are problematic for the rulers of society should people start examining them. This is the reason Americans are systematically scared away from him.Marx legitimized what was adiscreditedbelief, purely because he was educated and could present the ideas in a logical and scientific fashion. Marx is representative of Socialism because he was the most, not least, rational of socialist thought.
I'm not convinced that people are scared away from him. 99% of the fascist left have never read Marx and spout a comic book version of what they think socialism is. Most of the left are simply stupid and believe that Socialism will give them something for nothing. If they had ever read Marx, they would find he had a VERY different view and advocated the elimination, the killing of the "useless eaters."
Because it was a fantasy that failed to account for the evolutionary impetus to survive, man will not as a whole work to his own injury.
Tehon
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Uh huh. And the vast majority on the right believes the same also due to not having read Marx. There is a whole lot of misunderstanding about Marxist thought spread throughout our society and no effort to seek an understanding. We are a nation full of ignorant people, which is why the bourgeois have been able to dominate our culture and our politics unmolested for so long.I'm not convinced that people are scared away from him. 99% of the fascist left have never read Marx and spout a comic book version of what they think socialism is. Most of the left are simply stupid and believe that Socialism will give them something for nothing.
And here is yet another scare tactic, of which you are not convinced is effective at deterring people from Marx. Where is your citation from Marx's literature that proves your statement anything other than a scare tactic?If they had ever read Marx, they would find he had a VERY different view and advocated the elimination, the killing of the "useless eaters."
It is true however that Marx did not believe the distribution of the means of consumption was to be treated independently from the distribution of the means of production. He did expect people to contribute to society and that they would receive back from society the equal to which they contributed. All of which only makes perfect sense.
Tehon
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The earlier attempts were premature in that the capitalist mode of production had not yet created the conditions for its success. That has had a negative and lasting impact. But history is not complete. If the capitalist mode of production doesn't bring us our ruin first there might still be time for mankind to realize a new and improved socioeconomic relationship.So why did Marx's dialectical materialism never come to pass?it is because Marx's socialism is used as a scare tactic in that it will lead to communism.
Marx had some interesting things to say about the capitalist mode of production. Things that are problematic for the rulers of society should people start examining them. This is the reason Americans are systematically scared away from him.Marx legitimized what was adiscreditedbelief, purely because he was educated and could present the ideas in a logical and scientific fashion. Marx is representative of Socialism because he was the most, not least, rational of socialist thought.
I'm not convinced that people are scared away from him. 99% of the fascist left have never read Marx and spout a comic book version of what they think socialism is. Most of the left are simply stupid and believe that Socialism will give them something for nothing. If they had ever read Marx, they would find he had a VERY different view and advocated the elimination, the killing of the "useless eaters."
LogikAndReazon
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Marxism can work, we just need to figure out the right "formula" comrades !!!!!!
Tehon
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The understanding exists. It was left to us by Marx. There is no formula. At some point in time we will evolve into a new socioeconomic relationship just as we have already evolved from others. Capitalism was not a gift from god.Marxism can work, we just need to figure out the right "formula" comrades !!!!!!
Uh huh. And the vast majority on the right believes the same also due to not having read Marx. There is a whole lot of misunderstanding about Marxist thought spread throughout our society and no effort to seek an understanding. We are a nation full of ignorant people, which is why the bourgeois have been able to dominate our culture and our politics unmolested for so long.I'm not convinced that people are scared away from him. 99% of the fascist left have never read Marx and spout a comic book version of what they think socialism is. Most of the left are simply stupid and believe that Socialism will give them something for nothing.
And here is yet another scare tactic, of which you are not convinced is effective at deterring people from Marx. Where is your citation from Marx's literature that proves your statement anything other than a scare tactic?If they had ever read Marx, they would find he had a VERY different view and advocated the elimination, the killing of the "useless eaters."
It is true however that Marx did not believe the distribution of the means of consumption was to be treated independently from the distribution of the means of production. He did expect people to contribute to society and that they would receive back from society the equal to which they contributed. All of which only makes perfect sense.
Scare tactics?
It's historical facts.
MILLIONS die under communism.
Why?
Simply because they had a different political view.
Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
Uh huh. And the vast majority on the right believes the same also due to not having read Marx. There is a whole lot of misunderstanding about Marxist thought spread throughout our society and no effort to seek an understanding. We are a nation full of ignorant people, which is why the bourgeois have been able to dominate our culture and our politics unmolested for so long.I'm not convinced that people are scared away from him. 99% of the fascist left have never read Marx and spout a comic book version of what they think socialism is. Most of the left are simply stupid and believe that Socialism will give them something for nothing.
And here is yet another scare tactic, of which you are not convinced is effective at deterring people from Marx. Where is your citation from Marx's literature that proves your statement anything other than a scare tactic?If they had ever read Marx, they would find he had a VERY different view and advocated the elimination, the killing of the "useless eaters."
It is true however that Marx did not believe the distribution of the means of consumption was to be treated independently from the distribution of the means of production. He did expect people to contribute to society and that they would receive back from society the equal to which they contributed. All of which only makes perfect sense.
How is honest examination a "scare tactic?" Any system of economics must have inputs to feed the outputs. Marx was not stupid, he was an intellectual. He grasped this simple concept well. He also grasped that without dollars as the motivation factor to engage in labor, then something else must be. In human history only two things motivate men to work for others; the promise of reward or the fear of punishment. Marx made clear in Vol. 2 of Capital that what the Proletariat would replace dollars with is the whip.
Marx never advocated that men receive back from society what they contribute, such would be capitalism. Marx advocated that people contribute in accordance to their ability. What they receive is based on their need, not their contribution.
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