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Sure sure, that GOP non system works great unless you get sick or have a big accident and get cut off. Meanwhile those with pre-existing conditions are just out of luck right? The problem is you are incredibly short-sighted and selfish brainwashed functional moron. You do have to pay more when it is guaranteed LOL.... Except in some red states of course. Great job
That’s why America is the #1 immigration destination in the world.Canada is about 25 times bigger than California.And free healthcare! Just like Canada so we can wait 19 months for a pacemaker!
The life expectancy on average in Canada is 82.8.
In the U.S. it's 78.5.
We have more minorities with more drugs and more violence.
I figured this would be the reply while missing the larger point. If things were so bad in Canada they would not have the 7th highest life expectancy rate.
California is approximately 403,882 sq km, while Canada is approximately 9,984,670 sq km. Meanwhile, the population of California is ~37.3 million people (1.6 million fewer people live in Canada).
All the top countries have universal health care.
because the GOP refuses a good ID card like other countries have so anybody can come here and get a job pay taxes own his house etc etc etc?That’s why America is the #1 immigration destination in the world.Canada is about 25 times bigger than California.The life expectancy on average in Canada is 82.8.
In the U.S. it's 78.5.
We have more minorities with more drugs and more violence.
I figured this would be the reply while missing the larger point. If things were so bad in Canada they would not have the 7th highest life expectancy rate.
California is approximately 403,882 sq km, while Canada is approximately 9,984,670 sq km. Meanwhile, the population of California is ~37.3 million people (1.6 million fewer people live in Canada).
All the top countries have universal health care.
ID’s are racist.because the GOP refuses a good ID card like other countries have so anybody can come here and get a job pay taxes own his house etc etc etc?That’s why America is the #1 immigration destination in the world.Canada is about 25 times bigger than California.We have more minorities with more drugs and more violence.
I figured this would be the reply while missing the larger point. If things were so bad in Canada they would not have the 7th highest life expectancy rate.
California is approximately 403,882 sq km, while Canada is approximately 9,984,670 sq km. Meanwhile, the population of California is ~37.3 million people (1.6 million fewer people live in Canada).
All the top countries have universal health care.
100 years ago the doctor came to the house, there was no nurse, and the woman delivered the baby in her bed. Maybe had a sister or mom or neighbor there to help.No, Medicare and Medicaid is paying the only valid portion of the bill.
What we have to do is stop the insurance companies from paying more of the bill than Medicare does.
The current bills are incredibly fake and inflated.
That is the whole problem of 3rd party payer, they LIKE inflated bills because then everyone absolutely needs to have insurance even more.
The whole problem is 3rd party payer, who does not care about quality or cost.
The patient can do nothing because they already prepaid.
It is like prepaid legal service, can not possibly ever work.
It's worked very well for generations. Handing it over to government is the stupidest thing we could possibly do. Government is a huge reason why our healthcare is so expensive to begin with.
For generations the cost to deliver a baby was around $100.
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The average total price charged for pregnancy and newborn care is about $30,000 for a vaginal delivery and $50,000 for a C-section, with insurers paying out an average of $18,329 and $27,866, according to a recent report by Truven Health Analytics.
...}
That is more than just inflation.
Now you have all kind of machines, a couple of nurses doing various things, and and a whole office full of people to do the paperwork. That is expensive.
I was not quoting what happened 100 years ago in the home. I am quoting actual hospital charges.
Thanks for making my point. Your rankings are BS, nobody goes to Cuba for healthcare.What’s the world ranking of Cuban healthcare according to the list you use?
79. Higher than the United States.
Life Expectancy in United States
BTW, 2 second search.
So These the "Bad Hombres" Trump Wants to Get Rid Of?
You can put the money in my PayPal.
Wrong!
Not only do thousands of people go to Cuba for health care each year, but teams of Cuban health providers are hired to come to other countries to deal with medical problems, like epidemics, etc.
Cuba has much better health care than the US in general. Just not some of the top, over paid, specialists.
Do you go to Cuba? No!
Can you name a single person who did? No!
Can you name a single American treated by one of these imaginary Cuban doctors? No!
I have never needed any significant medical treatment yet.
Just minor things like stitches.
But I know people who went to Cuba for cosmetic surgery, hip replacement, cancer treatment, etc.
Bernie is not going to raise taxes on anyone. He won't be around at election time. It is people my age that vote most consistently and he is polling about 3% in my group. Republicans can quit worrying about the country going full socialist. It is stawman bullshit and ain't gonna happen. On the other hand, I am not a Democrat, and still wouldn't vote for Trump even with your vote or six of your dead relatives on absentee.If you go to the ER and claim you have severe head pain, chest pain, etc. They have to run tests to determine if have really serious life threaten stuff like a stroke, heart attack, aneurysm, or dozens of other things. That usually means they have to do things like MRIs, CT Scans, EKGs, angiogram, etc. Of course it all depends on your medical history, age, etc. A healthy 22 year old would not get the same attention as 78 year with numerous health problems. Those that are homeless, destitute, illegal immigrants, and mentally disturbed are likely to get above average diagnostic services because of lack medical history and their life style.From personal experience, I've found it's lot more. The ER is often the fastest and surest way to get a diagnosis. Go to you your GP and you get some pills, maybe a few tests and suggestions and if the pain isn't better in two weeks you come back. He goes over test results and if the pain is still there you see a specialist in few weeks. The specialist then orders more blood tests an EKG, and an MRI which takes about two weeks get appointments and results back to your doctor. Hopefully then you will get a diagnosis and treatment plan.The ER is not at all sufficient health care.
It is just for stitches, setting fractures, etc.
In the ER, the blood tests, EKG, and MRI are all ordered and results are back in a few hours. Your attending physician discusses your case with a specialist and you have diagnosis. A treatment plan is created and you are sent home with medication or to the hospital. What took 6 weeks out of the ER is accomplished in few hour in the ER.
This is one of the reason we over utilize the ER.
My experience is that the ER will not perform tests like that, and will still just refer to you a specialist.
The ER staff does not have the training or the time.
But I suppose it would depend on things like the size of the hospital?
In many hospitals, admission through the ER is very common, about 20%.
It isn't going to happen because no one is running on "full socialism" so your claim is easy to make. Bernie is running on expanding the system we already have in place. A system that those who are on support.
Like the millions of illegals who get healthcare in America? They’re all RICH!
They do not get healthcare. I do not know why you want to continue with something you know is false. They can access emergency care.
Their kids get it through Medicaid. Those who have a job with healthcare benefits get it as well, as long as they have a stolen identification and SS number.
No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.
Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.
More fairy tales.
He claims illegals don’t get healthcare in America, so you know what IQ level you’re dealing with.They do not get healthcare. I do not know why you want to continue with something you know is false. They can access emergency care.
Their kids get it through Medicaid. Those who have a job with healthcare benefits get it as well, as long as they have a stolen identification and SS number.
No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.
Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.
More fairy tales.
How about this for a fairy tale:
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From personal experience, I've found it's lot more. The ER is often the fastest and surest way to get a diagnosis. Go to you your GP and you get some pills, maybe a few tests and suggestions and if the pain isn't better in two weeks you come back. He goes over test results and if the pain is still there you see a specialist in few weeks. The specialist then orders more blood tests an EKG, and an MRI which takes about two weeks get appointments and results back to your doctor. Hopefully then you will get a diagnosis and treatment plan.Illegals don’t get healthcare in America?
Youre a friggen troll
The ER is not at all sufficient health care.
It is just for stitches, setting fractures, etc.
In the ER, the blood tests, EKG, and MRI are all ordered and results are back in a few hours. Your attending physician discusses your case with a specialist and you have diagnosis. A treatment plan is created and you are sent home with medication or to the hospital. What took 6 weeks out of the ER is accomplished in few hour in the ER.
This is one of the reason we over utilize the ER.
My experience is that the ER will not perform tests like that, and will still just refer to you a specialist.
The ER staff does not have the training or the time.
But I suppose it would depend on things like the size of the hospital?
Actually they do, because they face the same liability as your family doctor. They make sure all their bases are covered in the event of a lawsuit.
My grandson broke his collarbone the other day. The E.R. diagnosed the break and gave them a cheap sling BUT then they had to go to a specialist. One that will ask for your method of payment up front.
And free healthcare! Just like Canada so we can wait 19 months for a pacemaker!
The life expectancy on average in Canada is 82.8.
In the U.S. it's 78.5.
We have more minorities with more drugs and more violence.
I figured this would be the reply while missing the larger point. If things were so bad in Canada they would not have the 7th highest life expectancy rate.
Life expectancy depends on a lot of things, not just healthcare. After all, when do most of our people die? When they're on government healthcare.
Being a multi-cultured society, we have cultures that are much more violent than others, and therefore bring down our life expectancy rate. We are the fattest country in the world, and we probably get the least exercise. We also lose a lot of people due to narcotics, 68,000 a year and growing. Plus we lose about 40,000 Americans a year in road accidents.
So don't be fooled by believing that life expectancy is the sole indicator of good healthcare.
This kind of shit happens all the time in our city.
No arrests after 11-year-old killed at Cleveland birthday party
Every single country at the top of the list has Universal Health care. If it was so bad that would not be the case.
And he never won or even ran for public office. In a recent poll, 84% believed a major function of government was to provide services to the people.I am. Have been for years. I think taxes should automatically go up (across the board, not the usual "targeted" bullshit - the increase needs to hit everyone) until we reach a balanced budget. It's the only way we'll get a true read on how much government people actually want. As it is, with no one paying for it, people will vote for every "free shit" program that is proposed.
I have better idea.
Why don't we for the time being keep the taxes where they are and cut back on spending? The money we cut back on we could use to pay the debt.
We could easily cut back a couple of trillion a year on Federal spending and still spend more money on the cost of government than almost any other country on earth.
When everything is paid off then we can reduce taxes by the amount we had been spending on the debt. Win win for everybody except the filthy welfare queens that suck on the teat of big government.
Walter E Williams put it best.
"I'm going to run for a federal office. My platforms will be I'm not bringing back any money to my state. I'm voting down all spending. Would you vote for me?"
That's the point he was making. In other words, we blame the politicians for putting us in so much debt, but if they don't spend money on the things we want, we vote them out. So is it their fault or ours?
The great society ruined our nation. It's what I call the Ray from Cleveland's raccoon theory:
You catch a raccoon digging inside of your garbage can, in sympathy, you go into the house and get that leftover ham on the bone you were going to throw out at the end of the week anyway. The animal eats in delight. Now give it about 30 seconds, and try to take that ham bone back, and see what happens to you.
Politicians, particularly on the left, are well aware of my raccoon theory. Once government gives people something, like the raccoon, they rightfully claim it theirs. Then the Republicans get in charge, and they don't do anything about the runaway social programs. How can they? If they try to take it back, they will get their hand chewed up.
Like the money Trump is giving farmers over his failing trade war?
Bernie is not going to raise taxes on anyone. He won't be around at election time. It is people my age that vote most consistently and he is polling about 3% in my group. Republicans can quit worrying about the country going full socialist. It is stawman bullshit and ain't gonna happen. On the other hand, I am not a Democrat, and still wouldn't vote for Trump even with your vote or six of your dead relatives on absentee.If you go to the ER and claim you have severe head pain, chest pain, etc. They have to run tests to determine if have really serious life threaten stuff like a stroke, heart attack, aneurysm, or dozens of other things. That usually means they have to do things like MRIs, CT Scans, EKGs, angiogram, etc. Of course it all depends on your medical history, age, etc. A healthy 22 year old would not get the same attention as 78 year with numerous health problems. Those that are homeless, destitute, illegal immigrants, and mentally disturbed are likely to get above average diagnostic services because of lack medical history and their life style.From personal experience, I've found it's lot more. The ER is often the fastest and surest way to get a diagnosis. Go to you your GP and you get some pills, maybe a few tests and suggestions and if the pain isn't better in two weeks you come back. He goes over test results and if the pain is still there you see a specialist in few weeks. The specialist then orders more blood tests an EKG, and an MRI which takes about two weeks get appointments and results back to your doctor. Hopefully then you will get a diagnosis and treatment plan.Illegals don’t get healthcare in America?
Youre a friggen troll
The ER is not at all sufficient health care.
It is just for stitches, setting fractures, etc.
In the ER, the blood tests, EKG, and MRI are all ordered and results are back in a few hours. Your attending physician discusses your case with a specialist and you have diagnosis. A treatment plan is created and you are sent home with medication or to the hospital. What took 6 weeks out of the ER is accomplished in few hour in the ER.
This is one of the reason we over utilize the ER.
My experience is that the ER will not perform tests like that, and will still just refer to you a specialist.
The ER staff does not have the training or the time.
But I suppose it would depend on things like the size of the hospital?
In many hospitals, admission through the ER is very common, about 20%.
Yes, that would make healthcare more affordable but keep in mind that most of our healthcare costs goes to people with pre-existing conditions. one every 4 adults under 65 has prexisting conditions. So if you transfer them to a government funded plan then you are transferring most of the healthcare cost.Putting people with serious pre-existing conditions on Medicare is a good idea but it needs to be serious prexisting conditions. Back before Obamacare when I applied for individual insurance, I had to complete a 26 page medical questions. I found I was ineligible for health insurance because I had asthma and hayfever. A goal of insurance companies was to eliminate anyone who might file a claim.What would actually stand a chance at working is allow people with preexisting conditions to go on Medicare. That would remove all the high risk patients from private insurance, and that would cause a price decrease, or at the very least, a price freeze.
Next is Medicare and Medicaid needs to start paying the entire bill instead of only part of it.
In any case, nothing gets done the right way until we work on lowering the cost of medical care first. If we don't do that, we're just passing the buck around.
I think deductibles should be eliminated but not co-insurance and copays. People need to pay a small fee for services or they will over utilize the system.
I inquired about disability a few years back, and that's what they get after you are on the program for one year. And.....she stated the plans are more than reasonable; about 120 a month to 190, depending on what you can afford.
So if it's available to people on SS disability, why not make it available to others who are not on disability? The reason insurance companies don't want people like you or me is because we are high risk, just like an auto insurance company giving insurance to a documented drunk.
Remove those people from the private insurance rolls, and they can better manage prices. It would be a half-way point between what the Democrats want and what the Republicans want. And.....nobody can be accused of wanting to take healthcare away from people with preexisting conditions.
But if you remove all the patients who need medical care and only leave the insurance companies with the young and healthy who do not need any care, then why let the insurance companies have all that profit?
The whole point of insurance is supposed to be to pool risks so that the health help pay for the care needed by the few injured or sick. If the insurance does not do that, then it is worthless. The healthy do not need health care or insurance. It is only the sick or injured who do.
Just because one is unlikely to need healthcare doesn't mean they never will. Accidents, illness, diseases can happen to anybody. But the risk of that in a healthy pool is much, much less than insuring everybody.
Insurance companies base their premium on what they pay out compared to what they bring in. If they bring in more, and payout less, then they lower their rates to compete with other companies.
That would make private insurance affordable, and at the same time, give coverage to those who can't get or afford private insurance. Again, not free, you would still have to purchase a plan, but it would be a mid-way point between what Democrats and Republicans want. And everybody would actually get coverage they could afford.
Nothing personal though. Plenty of that ilk always floating around crying out for sympathy. Flack and Flash, the Cheapskate Brothers..The problem is you are incredibly short-sighted and selfish brainwashed functional moron.
Elizabeth Warren wants to spend $5.2 trillion a year on Medicare for all. The federal government spent $4.1 trillion in 2018. That is on everything. So she wants to spend more than $1.1 trillion more than the whole federal budget just on healthcare.Yes, that would make healthcare more affordable but keep in mind that most of our healthcare costs goes to people with pre-existing conditions. one every 4 adults under 65 has prexisting conditions. So if you transfer them to a government funded plan then you are transferring most of the healthcare cost.Putting people with serious pre-existing conditions on Medicare is a good idea but it needs to be serious prexisting conditions. Back before Obamacare when I applied for individual insurance, I had to complete a 26 page medical questions. I found I was ineligible for health insurance because I had asthma and hayfever. A goal of insurance companies was to eliminate anyone who might file a claim.
I think deductibles should be eliminated but not co-insurance and copays. People need to pay a small fee for services or they will over utilize the system.
I inquired about disability a few years back, and that's what they get after you are on the program for one year. And.....she stated the plans are more than reasonable; about 120 a month to 190, depending on what you can afford.
So if it's available to people on SS disability, why not make it available to others who are not on disability? The reason insurance companies don't want people like you or me is because we are high risk, just like an auto insurance company giving insurance to a documented drunk.
Remove those people from the private insurance rolls, and they can better manage prices. It would be a half-way point between what the Democrats want and what the Republicans want. And.....nobody can be accused of wanting to take healthcare away from people with preexisting conditions.
But if you remove all the patients who need medical care and only leave the insurance companies with the young and healthy who do not need any care, then why let the insurance companies have all that profit?
The whole point of insurance is supposed to be to pool risks so that the health help pay for the care needed by the few injured or sick. If the insurance does not do that, then it is worthless. The healthy do not need health care or insurance. It is only the sick or injured who do.
Just because one is unlikely to need healthcare doesn't mean they never will. Accidents, illness, diseases can happen to anybody. But the risk of that in a healthy pool is much, much less than insuring everybody.
Insurance companies base their premium on what they pay out compared to what they bring in. If they bring in more, and payout less, then they lower their rates to compete with other companies.
That would make private insurance affordable, and at the same time, give coverage to those who can't get or afford private insurance. Again, not free, you would still have to purchase a plan, but it would be a mid-way point between what Democrats and Republicans want. And everybody would actually get coverage they could afford.
It sure beats forcing everybody on it. Because it's an option, if you have preexisting conditions, you can still go private insurance if you'd like, and I"m sure those with money would.
What we are looking for is a way for everybody to be covered from rich to poor, and unless somebody has a better and more practical way of doing it; something that would make both parties happy so they can work together on this problem, I believe it's the best solution. That and doubling the Medicare payroll contributions to help support it.
He claims illegals don’t get healthcare in America, so you know what IQ level you’re dealing with.Their kids get it through Medicaid. Those who have a job with healthcare benefits get it as well, as long as they have a stolen identification and SS number.
No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.
Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.
More fairy tales.
How about this for a fairy tale:
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