Bernie Sanders: We Will Raise Taxes On Anyone Making Over $29,000 To Fund Government Health Care

[Grumblenuts]

The Republican Plan

LOL, same as ever.. Go broke faster.. Die quickly.

Didn't read it did you?

Read enough, yes.

 

[flack]

The Republican Plan

LOL, same as ever.. Go broke faster.. Die quickly.

Didn't read it did you?

Read enough, yes.

Which means you didn't read it.

 

[Grumblenuts]

The Republican Plan

LOL, same as ever.. Go broke faster.. Die quickly.

Didn't read it did you?

Read enough, yes.

Which means you didn't read it.

Read it!

Here are three takeaways from the plan:

Shifting to high-risk pools
{...snip...}
Doubling down again on health savings accounts
{...snip...}
Replace Medicaid expansion with a block grant

'Nuff said. As always, "Don't get sick.. Die quickly." Or as Rick Smith always puts it: "Cut, gut, and punish!"

 

[flack]

The Republican Plan

LOL, same as ever.. Go broke faster.. Die quickly.

Didn't read it did you?

Read enough, yes.

Which means you didn't read it.

Read it!

Here are three takeaways from the plan:

Shifting to high-risk pools
{...snip...}
Doubling down again on health savings accounts
{...snip...}
Replace Medicaid expansion with a block grant

'Nuff said. As always, "Don't get sick.. Die quickly." Or as Rick Smith always puts it: "Cut, gut, and punish!"

I happen to like all three plus catastrophic insurance.

 

[Grumblenuts]

The Republican Plan

LOL, same as ever.. Go broke faster.. Die quickly.

Didn't read it did you?

Read enough, yes.

Which means you didn't read it.

Read it!

Here are three takeaways from the plan:

Shifting to high-risk pools
{...snip...}
Doubling down again on health savings accounts
{...snip...}
Replace Medicaid expansion with a block grant

'Nuff said. As always, "Don't get sick.. Die quickly." Or as Rick Smith always puts it: "Cut, gut, and punish!"

I happen to like all three plus catastrophic insurance.

Catastrophic insurance is the first thing listed. Beats nothing,.. just barely. Keeps the big insurance cartels in business and in everyone's way.

 

[flack]

Didn't read it did you?

Read enough, yes.

Which means you didn't read it.

Read it!

Here are three takeaways from the plan:

Shifting to high-risk pools
{...snip...}
Doubling down again on health savings accounts
{...snip...}
Replace Medicaid expansion with a block grant

'Nuff said. As always, "Don't get sick.. Die quickly." Or as Rick Smith always puts it: "Cut, gut, and punish!"

I happen to like all three plus catastrophic insurance.

Catastrophic insurance is the first thing listed. Beats nothing,.. just barely. Keeps the big insurance cartels in business and in everyone's way.

not really. HSAs will allow the patient to pay cash for doctor visits/minor medical. CI would only kick in when major medical is needed. Allowing doctors and hospitals to advertise prices would force competition lowering prices like dental does. Putting healthcare in the hands of government would increase costs simply by being perceived as free. When something is free more of it is used.

 

[pknopp]

The life expectancy on average in Canada is 82.8.

In the U.S. it's 78.5.

We have more minorities with more drugs and more violence.

I figured this would be the reply while missing the larger point. If things were so bad in Canada they would not have the 7th highest life expectancy rate.

Canada is about 25 times bigger than California.
California is approximately 403,882 sq km, while Canada is approximately 9,984,670 sq km. Meanwhile, the population of California is ~37.3 million people (1.6 million fewer people live in Canada).

All the top countries have universal health care.

That’s why America is the #1 immigration destination in the world.

We are one of the few countries that have an open employment policy.

 

[pknopp]

It's worked very well for generations. Handing it over to government is the stupidest thing we could possibly do. Government is a huge reason why our healthcare is so expensive to begin with.

For generations the cost to deliver a baby was around $100.

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The average total price charged for pregnancy and newborn care is about $30,000 for a vaginal delivery and $50,000 for a C-section, with insurers paying out an average of $18,329 and $27,866, according to a recent report by Truven Health Analytics.
...}

That is more than just inflation.

100 years ago the doctor came to the house, there was no nurse, and the woman delivered the baby in her bed. Maybe had a sister or mom or neighbor there to help.

Now you have all kind of machines, a couple of nurses doing various things, and and a whole office full of people to do the paperwork. That is expensive.

I was not quoting what happened 100 years ago in the home. I am quoting actual hospital charges.

A lot of doctors got out of the baby business because the malpractice is so high. Women who are addicted to drugs or alcohol try to have a baby, then sue the doctor when it doesn't come out right or still born. We have more professional women every year, and they often put off having a child until their 30's. They go to school, then concentrate on paying off their college loans, and by the time all that is done, they are only then capable of financially having a child. The later you wait, the less your chances of a successful delivery, and again, they sue the doctors and hospitals when that doesn't happen.

Again, for the third time. We have agreed for a need for tort reform.

 

[pknopp]

Their kids get it through Medicaid. Those who have a job with healthcare benefits get it as well, as long as they have a stolen identification and SS number.

No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.

Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.

More fairy tales.

How about this for a fairy tale:

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He claims illegals don’t get healthcare in America, so you know what IQ level you’re dealing with.

They don't. They get emergency treatment. That is not the same as health care but you understand the difference. You won't let that stop you though.

 

[pknopp]

The ER is not at all sufficient health care.
It is just for stitches, setting fractures, etc.

From personal experience, I've found it's lot more. The ER is often the fastest and surest way to get a diagnosis. Go to you your GP and you get some pills, maybe a few tests and suggestions and if the pain isn't better in two weeks you come back. He goes over test results and if the pain is still there you see a specialist in few weeks. The specialist then orders more blood tests an EKG, and an MRI which takes about two weeks get appointments and results back to your doctor. Hopefully then you will get a diagnosis and treatment plan.

In the ER, the blood tests, EKG, and MRI are all ordered and results are back in a few hours. Your attending physician discusses your case with a specialist and you have diagnosis. A treatment plan is created and you are sent home with medication or to the hospital. What took 6 weeks out of the ER is accomplished in few hour in the ER.

This is one of the reason we over utilize the ER.

My experience is that the ER will not perform tests like that, and will still just refer to you a specialist.
The ER staff does not have the training or the time.
But I suppose it would depend on things like the size of the hospital?

Actually they do, because they face the same liability as your family doctor. They make sure all their bases are covered in the event of a lawsuit.

My grandson broke his collarbone the other day. The E.R. diagnosed the break and gave them a cheap sling BUT then they had to go to a specialist. One that will ask for your method of payment up front.

Of course they do, but I'm sure he had to take x-rays and various other tests. I was in the ER a few years ago. I passed out from low sugar. Anyway, the doctor refused to release me until he took a cat scan. I insisted I was going to go home and screw the test because I didn't hurt myself, but he told me he'd summon the guards to make sure I didn't leave.

What he did was illegal, and I could have went to the police station and filed a kidnapping charge on him, but my father, who was there to drive me home, talked me out of it. The point is, the doctor was scared to let me go unless I participated in everything to keep him from possibly getting sued.

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[pknopp]

They do not get healthcare. I do not know why you want to continue with something you know is false. They can access emergency care.

Their kids get it through Medicaid. Those who have a job with healthcare benefits get it as well, as long as they have a stolen identification and SS number.

No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.

Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.

More fairy tales.

How about this for a fairy tale:

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None of them are on the companies health plan if they even have one.

 

[pknopp]

The life expectancy on average in Canada is 82.8.

In the U.S. it's 78.5.

We have more minorities with more drugs and more violence.

I figured this would be the reply while missing the larger point. If things were so bad in Canada they would not have the 7th highest life expectancy rate.

Life expectancy depends on a lot of things, not just healthcare. After all, when do most of our people die? When they're on government healthcare.

Being a multi-cultured society, we have cultures that are much more violent than others, and therefore bring down our life expectancy rate. We are the fattest country in the world, and we probably get the least exercise. We also lose a lot of people due to narcotics, 68,000 a year and growing. Plus we lose about 40,000 Americans a year in road accidents.

So don't be fooled by believing that life expectancy is the sole indicator of good healthcare.

This kind of shit happens all the time in our city.

No arrests after 11-year-old killed at Cleveland birthday party

Every single country at the top of the list has Universal Health care. If it was so bad that would not be the case.

They mostly rate those countries by availability to get care and less quality. And again, life expectancy is not just about healthcare.

The argument is that those in countries with universal care are not getting good care. If that was the case they would not be at the top of the list.

 

[pknopp]

I have better idea.

Why don't we for the time being keep the taxes where they are and cut back on spending? The money we cut back on we could use to pay the debt.

We could easily cut back a couple of trillion a year on Federal spending and still spend more money on the cost of government than almost any other country on earth.

When everything is paid off then we can reduce taxes by the amount we had been spending on the debt. Win win for everybody except the filthy welfare queens that suck on the teat of big government.

Walter E Williams put it best.

"I'm going to run for a federal office. My platforms will be I'm not bringing back any money to my state. I'm voting down all spending. Would you vote for me?"

And he never won or even ran for public office. In a recent poll, 84% believed a major function of government was to provide services to the people.

That's the point he was making. In other words, we blame the politicians for putting us in so much debt, but if they don't spend money on the things we want, we vote them out. So is it their fault or ours?

The great society ruined our nation. It's what I call the Ray from Cleveland's raccoon theory:

You catch a raccoon digging inside of your garbage can, in sympathy, you go into the house and get that leftover ham on the bone you were going to throw out at the end of the week anyway. The animal eats in delight. Now give it about 30 seconds, and try to take that ham bone back, and see what happens to you.

Politicians, particularly on the left, are well aware of my raccoon theory. Once government gives people something, like the raccoon, they rightfully claim it theirs. Then the Republicans get in charge, and they don't do anything about the runaway social programs. How can they? If they try to take it back, they will get their hand chewed up.

Like the money Trump is giving farmers over his failing trade war?

Apples and oranges. Trump is trying to level our trade deficit. It benefits the entire country and economy.

He is failing.

Trade gap widens more than expected to $54.9 billion

I suppose you can argue he is trying........but he is failing.

 

[pknopp]

No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.

Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.

More fairy tales.

How about this for a fairy tale:

View attachment 292075

He claims illegals don’t get healthcare in America, so you know what IQ level you’re dealing with.

I guess when they get sick, they go to the ER or die.

Yes, they go to the ER.

 

[theHawk]

All you rich folks making $14 an hour need to bear the burden.

Sanders: Families Making $29,000 Will ‘Pay More In Taxes’ For Medicare For All - The Partnership for America’s Health Care Future

So in other words, everyone but illegals will be paying for Medicare for illegals.

 

[theHawk]

Walter E Williams put it best.

"I'm going to run for a federal office. My platforms will be I'm not bringing back any money to my state. I'm voting down all spending. Would you vote for me?"

And he never won or even ran for public office. In a recent poll, 84% believed a major function of government was to provide services to the people.

That's the point he was making. In other words, we blame the politicians for putting us in so much debt, but if they don't spend money on the things we want, we vote them out. So is it their fault or ours?

The great society ruined our nation. It's what I call the Ray from Cleveland's raccoon theory:

You catch a raccoon digging inside of your garbage can, in sympathy, you go into the house and get that leftover ham on the bone you were going to throw out at the end of the week anyway. The animal eats in delight. Now give it about 30 seconds, and try to take that ham bone back, and see what happens to you.

Politicians, particularly on the left, are well aware of my raccoon theory. Once government gives people something, like the raccoon, they rightfully claim it theirs. Then the Republicans get in charge, and they don't do anything about the runaway social programs. How can they? If they try to take it back, they will get their hand chewed up.

Like the money Trump is giving farmers over his failing trade war?

Apples and oranges. Trump is trying to level our trade deficit. It benefits the entire country and economy.

He is failing.

Trade gap widens more than expected to $54.9 billion

I suppose you can argue he is trying........but he is failing.

The trade deficit isn’t an issue, it’s just who we are trading with is the problem. Less depending on communists and stop letting them steal our jobs. We’ll always import more than we export, so we have the power to make good trade deals.

 

[pknopp]

And he never won or even ran for public office. In a recent poll, 84% believed a major function of government was to provide services to the people.

That's the point he was making. In other words, we blame the politicians for putting us in so much debt, but if they don't spend money on the things we want, we vote them out. So is it their fault or ours?

The great society ruined our nation. It's what I call the Ray from Cleveland's raccoon theory:

You catch a raccoon digging inside of your garbage can, in sympathy, you go into the house and get that leftover ham on the bone you were going to throw out at the end of the week anyway. The animal eats in delight. Now give it about 30 seconds, and try to take that ham bone back, and see what happens to you.

Politicians, particularly on the left, are well aware of my raccoon theory. Once government gives people something, like the raccoon, they rightfully claim it theirs. Then the Republicans get in charge, and they don't do anything about the runaway social programs. How can they? If they try to take it back, they will get their hand chewed up.

Like the money Trump is giving farmers over his failing trade war?

Apples and oranges. Trump is trying to level our trade deficit. It benefits the entire country and economy.

He is failing.

Trade gap widens more than expected to $54.9 billion

I suppose you can argue he is trying........but he is failing.

The trade deficit isn’t an issue, it’s just who we are trading with is the problem. Less depending on communists and stop letting them steal our jobs. We’ll always import more than we export, so we have the power to make good trade deals.

So a huge trade deficit is OK? If our deficit is with India because manufacturing moves there and that makes India a world power that will be OK?

Or maybe Thailand and to protect their interests they decide they need nuclear weapons. All good?

 

[theHawk]

That's the point he was making. In other words, we blame the politicians for putting us in so much debt, but if they don't spend money on the things we want, we vote them out. So is it their fault or ours?

The great society ruined our nation. It's what I call the Ray from Cleveland's raccoon theory:

You catch a raccoon digging inside of your garbage can, in sympathy, you go into the house and get that leftover ham on the bone you were going to throw out at the end of the week anyway. The animal eats in delight. Now give it about 30 seconds, and try to take that ham bone back, and see what happens to you.

Politicians, particularly on the left, are well aware of my raccoon theory. Once government gives people something, like the raccoon, they rightfully claim it theirs. Then the Republicans get in charge, and they don't do anything about the runaway social programs. How can they? If they try to take it back, they will get their hand chewed up.

Like the money Trump is giving farmers over his failing trade war?

Apples and oranges. Trump is trying to level our trade deficit. It benefits the entire country and economy.

He is failing.

Trade gap widens more than expected to $54.9 billion

I suppose you can argue he is trying........but he is failing.

The trade deficit isn’t an issue, it’s just who we are trading with is the problem. Less depending on communists and stop letting them steal our jobs. We’ll always import more than we export, so we have the power to make good trade deals.

So a huge trade deficit is OK? If our deficit is with India because manufacturing moves there and that makes India a world power that will be OK?

Or maybe Thailand and to protect their interests they decide they need nuclear weapons. All good?

It would be better than communist China. The important thing is to keep enough jobs in the US for our lower and middle class.

 

[pknopp]

Like the money Trump is giving farmers over his failing trade war?

Apples and oranges. Trump is trying to level our trade deficit. It benefits the entire country and economy.

He is failing.

Trade gap widens more than expected to $54.9 billion

I suppose you can argue he is trying........but he is failing.

The trade deficit isn’t an issue, it’s just who we are trading with is the problem. Less depending on communists and stop letting them steal our jobs. We’ll always import more than we export, so we have the power to make good trade deals.

So a huge trade deficit is OK? If our deficit is with India because manufacturing moves there and that makes India a world power that will be OK?

Or maybe Thailand and to protect their interests they decide they need nuclear weapons. All good?

It would be better than communist China. The important thing is to keep enough jobs in the US for our lower and middle class.

That isn't the goal. Moving jobs from China to India solves nothing. If that was the goal we would be doing things to keep jobs here.

 

[Weatherman2020]

No, the kids of illegals do not get any more than the ER care any tourist gets.
And those using an illegal SS card to get a job with health insurance, can not get health care either.
First of all, the jobs illegals can get most likely do not come with health insurance, and no illegal could risk getting caught by getting into an health insurance database. For example, if the blood type did not match, it would throw a red flag. Insurance databases are far more detailed than the SS database.

Health facilities generally do not share their findings with the government. Don't let these Democrats tell you that the only jobs illegals get are picking lettuce. They are in every work sector of our country. They are in construction, hospitality, transportation, warehousing, lawn care, and yes, these industries generally do offer healthcare for their employees, especially when they are considered legal.

More fairy tales.

How about this for a fairy tale:

View attachment 292075

He claims illegals don’t get healthcare in America, so you know what IQ level you’re dealing with.

They don't. They get emergency treatment. That is not the same as health care but you understand the difference. You won't let that stop you though.

You keep showing how ignorant you are.

California’s free health care for illegal immigrants is an unsustainable financial burden