black powder 10 ga less than today's 20 ga

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The old timer's took millions of waterfowl with a 7/8 oz load, at lower velocities than today's 20 ga, with barrels that were not as round, uniform or well dimensioned as today's bores. The overpowder and overshot wads often "tipped" and ruined the patterns. BP shotgun bores were often pitted from corrosion caused by the powder's moisture drawing nature, along with their using corrosive priming. There was no plastic shot-collar to protect the shot pellets as they moved down the bore. The pellets were not plated, nor hardened with antimony. Back then, shotgunners had nothing like the speed of repeat shots available with today's 20 ga autoloader, either. Yet, somehow we "need" 12 ga, 3", 3.5" magnums. ?

It's just like dee hunting today. The 30-30,170 grs at 2200 fps, 150 yd max effective range, has taken millions of deer, but now we "need" 7 mmm mag, at the MINIMUM, or all we will manage to do is wound the "huge" 150 lb deer. but a pee aint 380 is "plenty' for stopping doped up, 250 lb biker "1%'ers".

 

[Clement]

the old timer's took millions of waterfowl with a 7/8 oz load, at lower velocities than today's 20 ga, with barrels that were not as round, uniformed or well dimensioned as todays. the overpowder and overshot wads often "tipped" and ruined the patterns. bores were often pitted from corrosion caused by BP and corrosive priming. there was no plastic shot collar to protect the shot pellets as they moved down the bore. the pellets were not plated, nor hardened with antimony. They had nothing like the speed of repeat shots available with today's 20 ga autoloader, either. yet, somehow we "need" 12 ga, 3", 3.5" magnums. ?

It's kjust like deer. 30-30,180 grs at 2200 fps, 150 yd max effective range, has taken millions of deer, but now we "need" 7 mmm mag, at the MINIMUM, or all we will manage is to wound the "huge" 150 lb deer.

Learn that in sociology class, did you?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/education/353172-in-a-sociolgy-class-last-year-i-said.html

Maybe they'll teach you how to capitalize.

 

[WinterBorn]

The old timer's took millions of waterfowl with a 7/8 oz load, at lower velocities than today's 20 ga, with barrels that were not as round, uniform or well dimensioned as today's bores. The overpowder and overshot wads often "tipped" and ruined the patterns. BP shotgun bores were often pitted from corrosion caused by the powder's moisture drawing nature, along with their using corrosive priming. There was no plastic shot-collar to protect the shot pellets as they moved down the bore. The pellets were not plated, nor hardened with antimony. Back then, shotgunners had nothing like the speed of repeat shots available with today's 20 ga autoloader, either. Yet, somehow we "need" 12 ga, 3", 3.5" magnums. ?

It's just like dee hunting today. The 30-30,170 grs at 2200 fps, 150 yd max effective range, has taken millions of deer, but now we "need" 7 mmm mag, at the MINIMUM, or all we will manage to do is wound the "huge" 150 lb deer. but a pee aint 380 is "plenty' for stopping doped up, 250 lb biker "1%'ers".

First of all, 100 years ago the game animals were far less spooked or skittish. There were also quite a few wounded animals left to suffer with a 30-30.

Also, the woodsman skills of the people living back then were much better. Many of the hunters now have far less experience tracking.

But it boils down to what we have available. Few people would argue that a 30-30 with iron sights is a superior rifle to a nice bolt action 7mm Mag. And while mountains of game were taken with the 30-30, there is no need to risk wounded and lost game for the sake of some misplaced need to criticize modern weapons.

The .380 was not "plenty" to stop someone until the bullets became much better. I still consider it underpowered. But that is a personal opinion. I certainly wouldn't want a .380 if I were expecting to face a doped up 250lb biker. It would probably to the trick. But I am a firm believer in using the largest caliber you can comfortably control.

 

[Clement]

Well, it didn't take long for him to get banned.