Breaking News: Restaurants Closing All Over Seattle As $15 Minimum Wage Mandate Starts April 1st.

[SwimExpert]

People will continue eating out.
Will restaurants pay for healthcare and vacations for employees as is done in Europe?

If you like Europe so much go live in Europe.

My God, you can't come up with something more original than that? Pitiful.

As original as "like in Europe."

 

[SwimExpert]

Restaurants are pretty damn lucrative. Here's a hint: Go out to eat at your favorite middle priced restaurant with your S/O and another couple. Order a cocktail and entrees. The profit the restaurant made off your cocktails covered the material overhead costs of your entrees. Food costs typically average 20 to 25 percent. Labor usually is anywhere from 5 to 20 percent depending on the establishment and management's ability to manage labor.

Yer kidding....Have you ever worked in the food an beverage business and been on the level where one of your responsibilities is to buy provisions? I have. I saw where the money goes....We paid $12 for a case of domestic beer. We sold it for $2.50....After the costs were figured in, we made a whopping 25 cents per unit.
We could have increased our price but we depended on repeat business and our customers chose us because our place was not only a good place to gather, our prices were somewhat lower than other bars in the area.
Those chicken wings that we sold for $8 per dozen? They cost us 20 cents per pound. In bulk,. Chicken has a very short shelf life. So we had to sell it quickly or dispose of it.
One of the major costs of fried food is the oil...We paid $75 for a 5 gallon container of cooking oil. Yeah...it's not cheap....And we had to change out the oil in our two friers every third day. That's $150 twice a week.....
Since you know little about the food and bev business, what else would you like to discuss.

I'd like to discuss the fact that you were apparently working in a shithole of a sinking failure.

You've already admitted that you were catering to low ball price customers. Stop catering to low ball price customers! That's just a poor business strategy, plain and simple. It seems you are relying on fried food to fill your menu. What the fuck!?! That's the lowest, shittiest type of food for an eatery to be selling. Get a real menu!

But I suspect the main problem is that you and your colleagues are obviously pathetic jokes of managers since you can't do the basic 3rd grade level math to know what your costs are and what your profits are supposed to be in comparison. You paid $12 per case (24 beers) and you only made 20 cents a piece at a retail of $2.50?!?!

Hello!!! At $12 a case, your cost is 50 cents each! If you sold at $2.50 a beer, you were making $2 profit on each, not 20 cents. No wonder you had such a hard time, 90% of your profits were leaking out the door because you were too fucking stupid to know how to do your job! But I guess I should expect no different from a person who doesn't know the difference between a cocktail and a beer.

Hey guess what mr what the fuck....It was a sports bar....and a very successful one at that.....So much so that a larger restaurant company made a very lucrative off on the place and the owner of course sold..Why not? That's what a business is...An investment.
And hey shit for brains....There are other costs associated with running a restaurant than just the cost of the item and the final sale price.
Labor, utilities....Oh why am I bothering to explain....You have your mind made up and you having never been in the food and beverage business are 100% correct...
And it is telling that you are just spewing a bunch of horse shit because you had to resort to calling me names and criticizing me...
Well.
Now, go finish stabbing yourself in the eye with a lawn dart.
You're too fucking stupid to have a job.

So let's recap....

You admit that you're not talking about a restaurant, you're talking about a sports bar. That makes everything you said moot anyway.

You say it was "very successful" but the owner sold it. Why sell it?

How long did the guy own it? Sports bars are one of the most difficult types of bars to operate. They take huge, astronomical investments (more expensive than any other type of concept) and more often than not people find themselves in trouble before long because they can't figure out how to get the place off the ground. They tend to sell because they need to get out. Often the sale is to another person who doesn't know they don't know what they're doing, or to someone who does know how to turn it into a cash cow and is willing to offer a good price to a struggling owner because they know they can do much better than the last shmuck. It's one of the reasons successful sports bars nowadays are usually chain concepts, and why chain sports bars are growing so rapidly. They have the deep pockets to front the initial capital, and they have the experience to make the business successful, which most proprietors lack.

Sports bars generally rely on high volume. A successful sports bar will net millions a year. That's quite a bit more than the $2.13/hr wage of any of their servers!

Alright, you've had your spanking. Now go to bed!

He sold it because the offer was right. The place wasn't for sale. But somebody else wanted it and was willing to pay top dollar...DUH....
Hey empty vessel. I made it abundantly clear earlier in the thread that the place was a sports bar. You were too busy wiping the tears from your eyes after yoour knee jerked upward and struck your chin.
Yes. Sports bars are a tough market. This one was a good one. Hence the reason why it sold for a rather tidy profit.
Why are you trying so hard to appear as though you know something about the F&B business.....never mind. I don't give a shit.
Shut your stink hole. You master of vapidity.

Someone's butthurt after getting spanked.

 

[thereisnospoon]

come on....those who support a "living wage" should the 16 year old working at the ice cream shop get 15 dollars an hour? what about the guy at 7-11 behind the counter?

any answer to that? should the stockera stacking goods on shelves make enough money to finance a home, a car and sending their kids to college, as well as a vacation to Dismey every year?

15 dollars and hour is not enough

it should have been closer to 22.50 an hour

that would have solved the problems

So where is all these 22.50 an hour jobs going to come from? The easter bunny? God damn you poor ass no skill dumb fuck liberal children are Patheticaly idiotic

from employers and business owners

that are mandated by law or face serious consequences to continue to employ these folks

Never happen....Although, if you prefer, you can find similar crap in France. Where government heavily subsidized business as trade off to mandate virtual permanent employment.
The result is double digit unemployment and a gargantuan social safety net...All of which is funded by tax rates which reach confiscatory levels.
Have at it.

 

[sealybobo]

It’s evident that those Demoncrats don’t have a clue about economics. They never think of the consequences of their “feel good policies.” Neither do they have a clue how a business is run and operated. Seems to me this should be a litmus test for elected officials



Seattle eateries closing as 15 minimum wage approaches Hot Air

They arent even going to try before they go under? Oh well that's the free market.

 

[thereisnospoon]

exactly why not

I've got an idea. Why don't YOU start up a burger business and YOU pay your workers whatever you want, 15 an hour, 22.50 an hour, or 500 an hour. Lead by example, show all those nasty republicans it can be done.

no thanks

Then shut the fuck up.

it is a free country

i refuse to shut the fuck up you asshole tyrant


if the government can mandate that people buy a product from a private business

or face serious consequences


the same can be applied to business owners that they be mandated to continue to employ these folks

regardless of what the wages are set at

Never happen.....Shut the fuck up...France awaits you...Get out. You commie squirrel brain.
Who told you this is a "free" country?

 

[jon_berzerk]

come on....those who support a "living wage" should the 16 year old working at the ice cream shop get 15 dollars an hour? what about the guy at 7-11 behind the counter?

any answer to that? should the stockera stacking goods on shelves make enough money to finance a home, a car and sending their kids to college, as well as a vacation to Dismey every year?

15 dollars and hour is not enough

it should have been closer to 22.50 an hour

that would have solved the problems

So where is all these 22.50 an hour jobs going to come from? The easter bunny? God damn you poor ass no skill dumb fuck liberal children are Patheticaly idiotic

from employers and business owners

that are mandated by law or face serious consequences to continue to employ these folks

Never happen....Although, if you prefer, you can find similar crap in France. Where government heavily subsidized business as trade off to mandate virtual permanent employment.
The result is double digit unemployment and a gargantuan social safety net...All of which is funded by tax rates which reach confiscatory levels.
Have at it.

Where government heavily subsidized business as trade off to mandate virtual permanent employment.

yes that would have to be the case here as well

plus 28 hour work weeks

and four weeks paid vacation

socialist utopias are wonderful

 

[thereisnospoon]

Yer kidding....Have you ever worked in the food an beverage business and been on the level where one of your responsibilities is to buy provisions? I have. I saw where the money goes....We paid $12 for a case of domestic beer. We sold it for $2.50....After the costs were figured in, we made a whopping 25 cents per unit.
We could have increased our price but we depended on repeat business and our customers chose us because our place was not only a good place to gather, our prices were somewhat lower than other bars in the area.
Those chicken wings that we sold for $8 per dozen? They cost us 20 cents per pound. In bulk,. Chicken has a very short shelf life. So we had to sell it quickly or dispose of it.
One of the major costs of fried food is the oil...We paid $75 for a 5 gallon container of cooking oil. Yeah...it's not cheap....And we had to change out the oil in our two friers every third day. That's $150 twice a week.....
Since you know little about the food and bev business, what else would you like to discuss.

I'd like to discuss the fact that you were apparently working in a shithole of a sinking failure.

You've already admitted that you were catering to low ball price customers. Stop catering to low ball price customers! That's just a poor business strategy, plain and simple. It seems you are relying on fried food to fill your menu. What the fuck!?! That's the lowest, shittiest type of food for an eatery to be selling. Get a real menu!

But I suspect the main problem is that you and your colleagues are obviously pathetic jokes of managers since you can't do the basic 3rd grade level math to know what your costs are and what your profits are supposed to be in comparison. You paid $12 per case (24 beers) and you only made 20 cents a piece at a retail of $2.50?!?!

Hello!!! At $12 a case, your cost is 50 cents each! If you sold at $2.50 a beer, you were making $2 profit on each, not 20 cents. No wonder you had such a hard time, 90% of your profits were leaking out the door because you were too fucking stupid to know how to do your job! But I guess I should expect no different from a person who doesn't know the difference between a cocktail and a beer.

Hey guess what mr what the fuck....It was a sports bar....and a very successful one at that.....So much so that a larger restaurant company made a very lucrative off on the place and the owner of course sold..Why not? That's what a business is...An investment.
And hey shit for brains....There are other costs associated with running a restaurant than just the cost of the item and the final sale price.
Labor, utilities....Oh why am I bothering to explain....You have your mind made up and you having never been in the food and beverage business are 100% correct...
And it is telling that you are just spewing a bunch of horse shit because you had to resort to calling me names and criticizing me...
Well.
Now, go finish stabbing yourself in the eye with a lawn dart.
You're too fucking stupid to have a job.

So let's recap....

You admit that you're not talking about a restaurant, you're talking about a sports bar. That makes everything you said moot anyway.

You say it was "very successful" but the owner sold it. Why sell it?

How long did the guy own it? Sports bars are one of the most difficult types of bars to operate. They take huge, astronomical investments (more expensive than any other type of concept) and more often than not people find themselves in trouble before long because they can't figure out how to get the place off the ground. They tend to sell because they need to get out. Often the sale is to another person who doesn't know they don't know what they're doing, or to someone who does know how to turn it into a cash cow and is willing to offer a good price to a struggling owner because they know they can do much better than the last shmuck. It's one of the reasons successful sports bars nowadays are usually chain concepts, and why chain sports bars are growing so rapidly. They have the deep pockets to front the initial capital, and they have the experience to make the business successful, which most proprietors lack.

Sports bars generally rely on high volume. A successful sports bar will net millions a year. That's quite a bit more than the $2.13/hr wage of any of their servers!

Alright, you've had your spanking. Now go to bed!

He sold it because the offer was right. The place wasn't for sale. But somebody else wanted it and was willing to pay top dollar...DUH....
Hey empty vessel. I made it abundantly clear earlier in the thread that the place was a sports bar. You were too busy wiping the tears from your eyes after yoour knee jerked upward and struck your chin.
Yes. Sports bars are a tough market. This one was a good one. Hence the reason why it sold for a rather tidy profit.
Why are you trying so hard to appear as though you know something about the F&B business.....never mind. I don't give a shit.
Shut your stink hole. You master of vapidity.

Someone's butthurt after getting spanked.

Doing this.......does not mean you win the argument. it means you have lost touch with reality.

 

[jon_berzerk]

exactly why not

I've got an idea. Why don't YOU start up a burger business and YOU pay your workers whatever you want, 15 an hour, 22.50 an hour, or 500 an hour. Lead by example, show all those nasty republicans it can be done.

no thanks

Then shut the fuck up.

it is a free country

i refuse to shut the fuck up you asshole tyrant


if the government can mandate that people buy a product from a private business

or face serious consequences


the same can be applied to business owners that they be mandated to continue to employ these folks

regardless of what the wages are set at

Never happen.....Shut the fuck up...

exactly why not

I've got an idea. Why don't YOU start up a burger business and YOU pay your workers whatever you want, 15 an hour, 22.50 an hour, or 500 an hour. Lead by example, show all those nasty republicans it can be done.

no thanks

Then shut the fuck up.

it is a free country

i refuse to shut the fuck up you asshole tyrant


if the government can mandate that people buy a product from a private business

or face serious consequences


the same can be applied to business owners that they be mandated to continue to employ these folks

regardless of what the wages are set at

Never happen.....Shut the fuck up...France awaits you...Get out. You commie squirrel brain.
Who told you this is a "free" country?

Who told you this is a "free" country?

well if it is not a free country then the mandates certainly are possible

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

What they end up collecting is Welfare because nobody in their right mind is going to pay them $15 an hour with no skills.

Tough shit. Pay higher wages or go out of business and your employees collect unemployment and find work with a business willing to pay the wage they deserve.

What they end up collecting is Welfare because nobody in their right mind is going to pay them $15 an hour with no skills.

The $15/hr kicks in for most employers in 2021. Next month it goes to $10/hr. If the minimum wage of $15/hr was enacted today, 24% of the workers in Seattle would get a raise. In 2021 it will about 12% to 14%.

That's still evil to them. To them employers have every right to keep you poor as hell.

I'm so glad to see that a big proud white supremacist like you is also a big proud Leftist. Talk about setting the narrative right!

 

[thereisnospoon]

come on....those who support a "living wage" should the 16 year old working at the ice cream shop get 15 dollars an hour? what about the guy at 7-11 behind the counter?

any answer to that? should the stockera stacking goods on shelves make enough money to finance a home, a car and sending their kids to college, as well as a vacation to Dismey every year?

15 dollars and hour is not enough

it should have been closer to 22.50 an hour

that would have solved the problems

So where is all these 22.50 an hour jobs going to come from? The easter bunny? God damn you poor ass no skill dumb fuck liberal children are Patheticaly idiotic

from employers and business owners

that are mandated by law or face serious consequences to continue to employ these folks

Never happen....Although, if you prefer, you can find similar crap in France. Where government heavily subsidized business as trade off to mandate virtual permanent employment.
The result is double digit unemployment and a gargantuan social safety net...All of which is funded by tax rates which reach confiscatory levels.
Have at it.

Where government heavily subsidized business as trade off to mandate virtual permanent employment.

yes that would have to be the case here as well

plus 28 hour work weeks

and four weeks paid vacation

socialist utopias are wonderful

And we would become just as unproductive and as much a second rate economy that is France. No thanks....
Never going to happen here.
Americans enjoy the potential of becoming successful and having the freedom to achieve to the best of their ability. France offers none of this...

 

[jon_berzerk]

15 dollars and hour is not enough

it should have been closer to 22.50 an hour

that would have solved the problems

So where is all these 22.50 an hour jobs going to come from? The easter bunny? God damn you poor ass no skill dumb fuck liberal children are Patheticaly idiotic

from employers and business owners

that are mandated by law or face serious consequences to continue to employ these folks

Never happen....Although, if you prefer, you can find similar crap in France. Where government heavily subsidized business as trade off to mandate virtual permanent employment.
The result is double digit unemployment and a gargantuan social safety net...All of which is funded by tax rates which reach confiscatory levels.
Have at it.

Where government heavily subsidized business as trade off to mandate virtual permanent employment.

yes that would have to be the case here as well

plus 28 hour work weeks

and four weeks paid vacation

socialist utopias are wonderful

And we would become just as unproductive and as much a second rate economy that is France. No thanks....
Never going to happen here.
Americans enjoy the potential of becoming successful and having the freedom to achieve to the best of their ability. France offers none of this...

Americans enjoy the potential of becoming successful and having the freedom to achieve to the best of their ability.

about half of us have that belief these days

maybe less then half

we are probably doomed

 

[thereisnospoon]

Living Wage is coming either way...do it voluntarily or you can be forced to do it.

At which point every Conservative business owner should close up shop and fire everyone. 10 employees or 2000 employees. Show that $15 X 0 employees formula in real life.

or they close up shop and leave the stupid state that mandated job killing wages......I'm in Illinois.....the democrats here are doing everything they can to drive the middle class out of Illinois......Chicago has the population levels not seen since the 1920s...and people are still moving out.....

as Dan Proft of the Amy and Dan radio show pointed out...the only people who can afford to live in Chicago are the poor and the really rich...the poor are subsidized and the rich can absorb the taxes.....so only those immune to democrat policies can actually live in Chicago and then eventually the whole state...

That resembles the greater portion of the State of New Jersey. Especially the northern half and the shore counties...The only people that can really afford to live a reasonable lifeystyle are higher earners such as professionals and civil service workers.. Everyone else there is struggling just to keep sliding backwards.
Both Illinois and New Jersey are cesspools of political corruption, infected by public worker unions and confiscatory property, income and sales taxes.
In NJ, the municipalities charge fees for everything..And they actually charge a fee to collect and process the fees.I swear you need a permit to fart and a different one to sneeze.
There is a town (MIdland Park) that has blue laws that prohibit ANY work on one's property on Sunday...You cannot mow your lawn, wash your car or even hang dry your laundry.
Residents are required to purchase a permit to paint the exterior of their homes. and where does the money go? Dunno...MP has one the highest tax rates in the state at nearly $5 per $100 of assessed value.

 

[thereisnospoon]

So where is all these 22.50 an hour jobs going to come from? The easter bunny? God damn you poor ass no skill dumb fuck liberal children are Patheticaly idiotic

from employers and business owners

that are mandated by law or face serious consequences to continue to employ these folks

Never happen....Although, if you prefer, you can find similar crap in France. Where government heavily subsidized business as trade off to mandate virtual permanent employment.
The result is double digit unemployment and a gargantuan social safety net...All of which is funded by tax rates which reach confiscatory levels.
Have at it.

Where government heavily subsidized business as trade off to mandate virtual permanent employment.

yes that would have to be the case here as well

plus 28 hour work weeks

and four weeks paid vacation

socialist utopias are wonderful

And we would become just as unproductive and as much a second rate economy that is France. No thanks....
Never going to happen here.
Americans enjoy the potential of becoming successful and having the freedom to achieve to the best of their ability. France offers none of this...

Americans enjoy the potential of becoming successful and having the freedom to achieve to the best of their ability.

about half of us have that belief these days

maybe less then half

we are probably doomed

I don't care...It's a fact.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Yes, I recant what I said about consumer spending isnt affected by inflation. What I intended to say is that raising the minimum wage is not related to this.

Ugh...When costs to business are increased by artificial means, there is a direct adverse effect on the the end user.

This "artificial means" is just this same bullshit you people spew. Corporate profits are at an all time high yet wages have remained stagnant. It doesn't matter who raises the minimum wage, government or the businesses - there is nothing artificial about it.

The corporate profit argument? You're on that one now....Great. Still meaningless.
The fact is wages are NOT stagnant. Wages are down because the labor participation rate is at a 40 year low.
The other fact that there are far more part time workers. That drags down the numbers.
There are more illegals working in the US...That has lowered average wages in the unskilled and semi skilled markets.
Hiring is down because jobs that are now done by computers and machines no longer require humans.
Wages are down because cash strapped businesses are using temp instead of employee labor.
It's the marketplace which has adjusted to government policy and taxation....
One issue you libs ignore is that corporations are publicly traded companies. As such, the bottom line is the bottom line. If the performance of the company causes the value of the stock to fall and render the company no longer a good investment, the company falters and the workers are the first to go...
This is basic stuff.
And yes. When government sticks it nose into the marketplace for political reasons, the act is artificial.
Anytime government has interfered in the marketplace the result is always negative.

So your point is that Americans should accept the fact that we are now and will inevitably continue to be just one more low wage nation among the many others in the same boat.

Great. Conservative anti-exceptionalism. lol

no...I neither stated nor implied any such thing.

I'll be the judge of that.

 

[Theowl32]

$15 an hour X 0 hours is a pretty poor living wage.

Liberals were warned and they still did it. Lol

They thought all the warnings were from knuckle draggers who listen to "Faux News."

Not to worry, the left will spin it and blame the right wing again.

 

[Theowl32]

Restaurants are already experimenting with robot servers. Hotels have been using robots for awhile to deliver items to rooms. This is not all bad to liberals. Reduced operating costs enables higher taxes which are used to make welfare payments to those who used to work.

You are forgetting about the environmental losers.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Nah, it won't. Folks will eat out regardless.

Sure but since it will cost more they will eat out less thereby making many employees unnecessary

 

[Skull Pilot]

Four restaurants closing makes it easier for the other eateries to establish working prices that lead to a profit.

^ Komrade Jake's Favorite Restaurant where they serve bread on a weekly basis.

Don't forget the watered down soup

 

[Skull Pilot]

Four restaurants closing makes it easier for the other eateries to establish working prices that lead to a profit.

Yep working prices, will lead to the fifteen dollar an our salary to be obsolete. Then a majority of workers will be making minimum wage. Instead of the few who do now.

And the subsequent price hikes will eat into that wage as well as reducing the purchasing power of people who already make 15 or more an hour.

 

[Skull Pilot]

It’s evident that those Demoncrats don’t have a clue about economics. They never think of the consequences of their “feel good policies.” Neither do they have a clue how a business is run and operated. Seems to me this should be a litmus test for elected officials



Seattle eateries closing as 15 minimum wage approaches Hot Air

They arent even going to try before they go under? Oh well that's the free market.

So you prefer to keep a sinking ship afloat and end up broke than to close and preserve what money you have?