Breaking - Thug Fight: 9 Dead in Waco, TX

[Asclepias]

I have less respect for whites who act like blacks than blacks themselves, and that's saying one hell of a lot.

I have zero respect for the likes of you......to have any respect for a creep like you would be "highly illogical"....

I was laughing as I read his comment about respect. As if anyone cared what he respected.

 

[Mertex]

We know they were created by the Democratic Party

No they weren't; see previous post and also 472.

Well, thank you for the history on the KKK..... I was just referencing the 50's and early 60's version of the KKK, when all the southern states were "Democratic" and how quickly they turned "Republican" after the civil rights act was passed by LBJ that they so vehemently opposed. That's around the time when Strom Thurman and Jesse Helms, who were Democrats and were well known for their racism, turned Republican. They were embraced by the Republican party and praised in spite of their racists attitudes. Republicans today either don't remember history or they've changed it, because they keep referring to the KKK as "democratic" in spite of the evidence that it is they, Republicans, who vote laws that disenfranchise blacks, who have a few "oreos" in their party who totally disregard the fact that the majority of conservatives hate them and want nothing to do with them.


What really sets Jesse Helms apart is that he is the last prominent unabashed white racist politician in this country -- a title that one hopes will now be permanently retired. A few editorials and columns came close to saying that. But the squeamishness of much of the press in characterizing Helms for what he is suggests an unwillingness to confront the reality of race in our national life.
What is unique about Helms -- and from my viewpoint, unforgivable -- is his willingness to pick at the scab of the great wound of American history, the legacy of slavery and segregation, and to inflame racial resentment against African Americans.
Race Matters - Jesse Helms WhiteRacist by David Broder



1964 was not only the year of the great civil rights act. It was also the year that Strom Thurmond reaffiliated as a Republican to support the presidential campaign of his great ally, Barry Goldwater.

Goldwater’s platform issues were anti-communism and anti-statism. Yet we make a mistake if we forget, or choose to forget, that he not only opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but also the Brown v. Board of Education decision and its subsequent enforcement by the Eisenhower administration.
David s Bookclub Strom Thurmond s America - The Daily Beast

 

[Pogo]

"Bluff"??

I just gave you half a page of a 55-page history backed up with 44 source references.

You provided -- what?

Nothing. Zero. Bupkis. Fuck-all.

Do your homework next time and maybe you won't get schooled.

You gave me a link to a propaganda site and called it history. No one is fooled by your weak attempt at deception, dickhead.

​

Again -- do yer fuckin' homework and you won't be embarrassed like this. I gave you a history derived from 44 historical works. You gave us a wank. Face it -- you're a loser.

Sorry, dickhead, but posting a picture of yourself doesn't give you any credibility. But it IS evidence that you have no argument.

I completely destroyed your ipse dixit with actual history, loser. But this does give me an opportunity to bring this old collection forward, so here ya go --

Source One: Wiki

First KKK
>> The first Klan was founded in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, by six veterans of the Confederate Army.[17] The name is probably derived from the Greek word kuklos which means circle, suggesting a circle or band of brothers.[18]
Although there was little organizational structure above the local level, similar groups rose across the South and adopted the same name and methods.[19] Klan groups spread throughout the South as an insurgent movement during the Reconstruction era in the United States. As a secret vigilante group, the Klan targeted freedmen and their allies; it sought to restore white supremacy by threats and violence, including murder, against black and white Republicans.

Second KKK
... In 1915, the second Klan was founded in Atlanta, Georgia. Starting in 1921, it adopted a modern business system of recruiting (which paid most of the initiation fee and costume charges as commissions to the organizers) and grew rapidly nationwide at a time of prosperity. Reflecting the social tensions of urban industrialization and vastly increased immigration, its membership grew most rapidly in cities, and spread out of the South to the Midwest and West. The second KKK preached "One Hundred Percent Americanism" and demanded the purification of politics, calling for strict morality and better enforcement of prohibition. Its official rhetoric focused on the threat of the Catholic Church, using anti-Catholicism and nativism.[4] Its appeal was directed exclusively at white Protestants.[21]​

...Third KKK
The "Ku Klux Klan" name was used by a numerous independent local groups opposing the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation, especially in the 1950s and 1960s. During this period, they often forged alliances with Southern police departments, as in Birmingham, Alabama; or with governor's offices, as with George Wallace of Alabama.[25] Several members of KKK groups were convicted of murder in the deaths of civil rights workers and children in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham. <<​

Source Two: The Present Day Ku Klux Klan Movement, Report by the Committee on Un-American Activities, House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, First Session, December 11, 1967

>> The six Confederate army veterans credited with originating the Ku Klux Klan on Christmas Eve of 1865 in Pulaski, Tenn. are not memorialized in current klan literature. ... The organization to which modern klansmen pay homage was the Ku Klux Klan headed by Nathan Bedford Forrest, which officially operated in at least nine Southern states from 1867 to 1869 and unofficially for some years thereafter.

The conversion of klan purposes from amusement to terrorism had already been demonstrated by the time representatives of the local klan "dens" held a unifying convention in Nashville, Tenn., in 1867 and elected former Confederate Army General Forrest as their grand wizard. <<​

Source Three: ---Extremism in America/ADL

>> About the Ku Klux Klan
The Ku Klux Klan is a racist, anti-Semitic movement with a commitment to extreme violence to achieve its goals of racial segregation and white supremacy.
... At first, the Ku Klux Klan focused its anger and violence on African-Americans, on white Americans who stood up for them, and against the federal government which supported their rights. Subsequent incarnations of the Klan, which typically emerged in times of rapid social change, added more categories to its enemies list, including Jews, Catholics (less so after the 1970s), homosexuals, and different groups of immigrants.

Founder: Confederate Civil War veterans Captain John C. Lester, Major James R. Crowe, John D. Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard R. Reed, Frank O. McCord <<
​

Source FOUR:

In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the "Ku Klux Klan." The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government's progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.

The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning "circle," and the Scottish-Gaelic word "clan," which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK's first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan's excessive violence. <<​

Source FIVE:

>> The original Ku Klux Klan was created in an 1865 meeting in a law office by six Confederate veterans in Pulaski, Tennessee. It was, at first, a humorous social club centering on practical jokes and hazing rituals. From 1866 to 1867, various local units began breaking up black prayer meetings and invading black homes at night to steal firearms. Some of these activities may have been modeled on previous Tennessee vigilante groups such as the Yellow Jackets and Redcaps. In an 1867 convention held in Nashville, the Klan was formalized as a national organization under a Prescript written by George Gordon, a former Confederate brigadier general.

... As historian Elaine Frantz Parsons discovered [Parsons p 816]:

"Lifting the Klan mask revealed a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own." <<​

Source SIX:

>> The first Klan was created by six men from Pulaski Tennessee, in the image of other secret societies of the day. The hierarchical organization with local chapters housed under a national umbressa [sic] structure.

... History and context:

The first KKK was formed in the American South at the end of the civil war, when the victorious Union government imposed a version of martial law on the south and began to enforce laws designed to end segregation against black citizens. When a constitutional amendment granted black men the right to vote in 1870, the group turned to intimidation and violence to try to halt de-segregation. <<​

Source SEVEN:

>> Started during Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War, the Klan quickly mobilized as a vigilante group to intimidate Southern blacks - and any whites who would help them - and to prevent them from enjoying basic civil rights. <<​

Source EIGHT:

>> The original Ku Klux Klan was organized by ex-Confederate elements to oppose the Reconstruction policies of the radical Republican Congress and to maintain "white supremacy." After the Civil War, when local government in the South was weak or nonexistent and there were fears of black outrages and even of an insurrection, informal vigilante organizations or armed patrols were formed in almost all communities. These were linked together in societies, such as the Men of Justice, the Pale Faces, the Constitutional Union Guards, the White Brotherhood, and the Order of the White Rose. The Ku Klux Klan was the best known of these, and in time it absorbed many of the smaller organizations. <<​

Source NINE:

>> The 19th-century Klan was originally organized as a social club by Confederate veterans in Pulaski, Tenn., in 1866. They apparently derived the name from the Greek word kyklos, from which comes the English circle; Klan was added for the sake of alliteration and Ku Klux Klan emerged. The organization quickly became a vehicle for Southern white underground resistance to Radical Reconstruction. Klan members sought the restoration of white supremacy through intimidation and violence aimed at the newly enfranchised black freedmen. A similar organization, the Knights of the White Camelia, began in Louisiana in 1867. <<

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What's more, moron, you were active in the thread where I originally posted these over a year ago, so you already know better you dishonest HACK.

You really should try reading what you post. It clearly shows that the KKK was started by Democrats, whether it was 6 of them or 600. You're trying to deny they were Democrats when it states in the first paragraph that they murdered blacks and Republicans. You think you can rewrite history by denying documented history? You're a fucking joke, pal. The KKK was created for the purpose of intimidating Republicans and terrorizing them into not running for office. Go back and read your own post, idiot.

What a sad pathetic little partisan hack. So self-confined to a dichotomy where everything must be either "Democrat" or "Republican" that any opposition to one must be done by the other. It reflects your profound ignorance of your own history. There were no everyday politics as such in the South in 1865 when the Klan formed; the land was devastated by the war and the priority was simple survival first, and fears of what the new economic paradigm was going to be second. The element that took over the KKK and formed as well the similar groups the White League, White Line, White Brotherhood, Men of Justice, Pale Faces, Constitutional Union Guards, Order of the White Rose and the Knights of the White Camellia --- NONE of them were political; they were insurgents who could not accept the outcome of the War. They were self-styled citizen-soldiers -- not politicians. A large part of their aim was to disrupt politics -- not participate in it.

As the description above (Five) puts it: "a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own."

Moreover I actually gave you the NAMES of all six of these young men in Pulaski. They have no known political affiliation at all but feel free to find one in your links to support your point, which at this point are still valiantly holding on at the quantity of ZERO.

Here's a guy who stepped in the same pile you did, and had to walk it back. Consider this Source Ten. Where you asshats get the idea you can just write your own history, I just don't get it. History is not negotiable.

Go pick up a history book. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[Asclepias]

So everyone is avoiding the elephant in the room. Where are the white fathers that should have taught these thugs not to kill each other? There are more trying to get into Waco to start some more violence. What is going on with white culture?

 

[Pogo]

Who enforced Jim Crow laws, Conservatives or Liberals?

I already know you will fail this again.

Well, since your butt buddy Asswipias just stated that most Democrats are liberals, and since all racist laws were passed, signed, and enforced by Democrats, I would say that they were probably liberals. The same liberals who enslaved the same black people to welfare in order to keep them on the plantation after their racist laws were struck down by conservative Republicans. If you two were smart enough to recognize that you wouldn't still be on the plantation. But then again, maybe you would, because your laziness would probably trump any ambition you might have had.

So, the KKK was a Liberal group?

Like I said, you're a retard.

They were created by the Democratic Party and they were no different than today's Democrats who exploit them through welfare. They would rather have them in chains but the law won't allow it. You fuckwads own racism.

We know they were created by the Democratic Party....what you fail to understand is that the Democrats who started it (except for Byrd) went to the Republican Party when Johnson pushed Civil Rights through. They went to the Republican party and they reproduced more of them....you must be some special kind of stupid, if you think we are the racists. Just look at all the incidents between blacks and white cops.....who takes the side of the white cops every time. Why Republican/conservatives, of course.

You need to recognize you are in denial and making comments like you just did just makes you sound stupid.

What a moron you are. First, list the names of the Republicans who left the Democratic Party to join the Republican Party. Second, Johnson didn't want the Civil Rights Act passed, he only signed it because the people clearly wanted it, and it was the Republicans led by Everett Dirksen who broke the Democrat's filibuster and got it passed. And your ridiculous comment about blacks vs white cops illustrates your utter stupidity. You're as much of a moron as the idiot pogo, who thinks George Bush was involved in the JFK assassination. Congratulations.

OK I have an admission to make. Apparently I was wrong. I thought you had reached the bottom of your tank of stupidity until I read this post, but clearly I misunderestimated your level of ignorance.

The post you're trying to make into a George Bush assassin is still right there in your sigline, and obviously it doesn't say that at all. You completely shoot yourself in the foot every time you post (which is hilarious). You're actually making yourself out to be a mongoloid idiot, simply by hitting "post reply", all by yourself, due to an abject inability to read. Which also explains the fog in your head about having been schooled on Klan origins.

Oh I liked the part about how you can read the mind of a dead man too. That was worth a guffaw.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Texas coulure is just the opposite. A white father in Texas is too busy taking his son to the gun range to give lectures on not shooting anyone.

 

[Pogo]

We know they were created by the Democratic Party

No they weren't; see previous post and also 472.

Well, thank you for the history on the KKK..... I was just referencing the 50's and early 60's version of the KKK, when all the southern states were "Democratic" and how quickly they turned "Republican" after the civil rights act was passed by LBJ that they so vehemently opposed. That's around the time when Strom Thurman and Jesse Helms, who were Democrats and were well known for their racism, turned Republican. They were embraced by the Republican party and praised in spite of their racists attitudes. Republicans today either don't remember history or they've changed it, because they keep referring to the KKK as "democratic" in spite of the evidence that it is they, Republicans, who vote laws that disenfranchise blacks, who have a few "oreos" in their party who totally disregard the fact that the majority of conservatives hate them and want nothing to do with them.


What really sets Jesse Helms apart is that he is the last prominent unabashed white racist politician in this country -- a title that one hopes will now be permanently retired. A few editorials and columns came close to saying that. But the squeamishness of much of the press in characterizing Helms for what he is suggests an unwillingness to confront the reality of race in our national life.
What is unique about Helms -- and from my viewpoint, unforgivable -- is his willingness to pick at the scab of the great wound of American history, the legacy of slavery and segregation, and to inflame racial resentment against African Americans.
Race Matters - Jesse Helms WhiteRacist by David Broder



1964 was not only the year of the great civil rights act. It was also the year that Strom Thurmond reaffiliated as a Republican to support the presidential campaign of his great ally, Barry Goldwater.

Goldwater’s platform issues were anti-communism and anti-statism. Yet we make a mistake if we forget, or choose to forget, that he not only opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but also the Brown v. Board of Education decision and its subsequent enforcement by the Eisenhower administration.
David s Bookclub Strom Thurmond s America - The Daily Beast

Actually the Klan didn't really even dabble in politics -- they considered themselves a kind of moral police -- I call 'em the American Taliban -- who for instance pulled a (white) woman out of her house for "not going to church" and whipped her, and when her 15-year-old son came out to her defense, whipped him too. They were hyperracist, hyperChristian and hyperAmerican but not particularly involved in politics, with the exception of the 1920s (Iteration 2) when they went all PR and expanded nationally, making inroads into the midwest, west and northwest (especially Indiana and Colorado, where they got their members elected to the Senate and governor seats -- who were all Republicans).

IOW they worked as opportunists -- Democrats in Georgia, Republicans in Indiana, whatever worked. The KKK of the '50s and '60s would be the third iteration, far less centrally organized, made up of fragmented local autonomous groups often in competition with each other (David Duke's little intrafraternal spat about his mailing list is one of these). So not to put too fine a point on it but what SJ is playing is a cum hoc fallacy -- correlation without causation. Were Klanners also Democrats? In the South, if they were politically registered at all, they generally were, since everybody in the South was a Democrat, whether they were racist or not. If you wanted a political office, you either ran as a Democrat, or you lost. But this doesn't make either party the source.

You're absolutely correct about the migration beginning 1964 with Strom Thurmond, who did what was unthinkable in the South for 99 years -- joining the Party of Lincoln, which just exhibits what a sea change had gradually occurred in that century between the two parties; in the 1860s the Democrats were the conservatives and the "states rights" advocates, while the.Republicans were the forward-looking liberal party of "big goverment" and concentrated federal power (and with programs of land grants and free public education for the poor and freed slaves of the South, the first purveyors of "affirmative action"). This is some of the historical context the armchair wags on this forum completely ignore in their quest to dumb-down the complexities of history into some football game where the players are apparently a static entity that never evolve, which political parties have never been.

So Thurmond left in '64 a few months after the CRA, followed by a proverbial cast of thousands (including Helms and eventually Duke), into the party that represents conservatism today which a century before, was anything but.

Again, none of this means that "conservatives are by definition racist" -- that would be another cum hoc fallacy, and there are countless examples of good conservatives who aren't racist at all. But racists are by definition conservative, so when they get into politics, as a candidate or a voter, they're going to gravitate to whichever party more represents those interests. And one thing that has never been popular in the South is Liberalism. So when those parties effectively switch sides, the constituency eventually switches with them.


I don't know how we got off on this tangent in a thread about bikers, but it's important, as those who ignore their own history are condemned to repeat it. And I absolutely despise revisionistas who try to rewrite the history books for thier own self-serving agenda, particularly when they already know better.

 

[Pogo]

"Bluff"??

I just gave you half a page of a 55-page history backed up with 44 source references.

You provided -- what?

Nothing. Zero. Bupkis. Fuck-all.

Do your homework next time and maybe you won't get schooled.

You gave me a link to a propaganda site and called it history. No one is fooled by your weak attempt at deception, dickhead.

​

Again -- do yer fuckin' homework and you won't be embarrassed like this. I gave you a history derived from 44 historical works. You gave us a wank. Face it -- you're a loser.

Sorry, dickhead, but posting a picture of yourself doesn't give you any credibility. But it IS evidence that you have no argument.

I completely destroyed your ipse dixit with actual history, loser. But this does give me an opportunity to bring this old collection forward, so here ya go --

Source One: Wiki

First KKK
>> The first Klan was founded in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, by six veterans of the Confederate Army.[17] The name is probably derived from the Greek word kuklos which means circle, suggesting a circle or band of brothers.[18]
Although there was little organizational structure above the local level, similar groups rose across the South and adopted the same name and methods.[19] Klan groups spread throughout the South as an insurgent movement during the Reconstruction era in the United States. As a secret vigilante group, the Klan targeted freedmen and their allies; it sought to restore white supremacy by threats and violence, including murder, against black and white Republicans.

Second KKK
... In 1915, the second Klan was founded in Atlanta, Georgia. Starting in 1921, it adopted a modern business system of recruiting (which paid most of the initiation fee and costume charges as commissions to the organizers) and grew rapidly nationwide at a time of prosperity. Reflecting the social tensions of urban industrialization and vastly increased immigration, its membership grew most rapidly in cities, and spread out of the South to the Midwest and West. The second KKK preached "One Hundred Percent Americanism" and demanded the purification of politics, calling for strict morality and better enforcement of prohibition. Its official rhetoric focused on the threat of the Catholic Church, using anti-Catholicism and nativism.[4] Its appeal was directed exclusively at white Protestants.[21]​

...Third KKK
The "Ku Klux Klan" name was used by a numerous independent local groups opposing the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation, especially in the 1950s and 1960s. During this period, they often forged alliances with Southern police departments, as in Birmingham, Alabama; or with governor's offices, as with George Wallace of Alabama.[25] Several members of KKK groups were convicted of murder in the deaths of civil rights workers and children in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham. <<​

Source Two: The Present Day Ku Klux Klan Movement, Report by the Committee on Un-American Activities, House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, First Session, December 11, 1967

>> The six Confederate army veterans credited with originating the Ku Klux Klan on Christmas Eve of 1865 in Pulaski, Tenn. are not memorialized in current klan literature. ... The organization to which modern klansmen pay homage was the Ku Klux Klan headed by Nathan Bedford Forrest, which officially operated in at least nine Southern states from 1867 to 1869 and unofficially for some years thereafter.

The conversion of klan purposes from amusement to terrorism had already been demonstrated by the time representatives of the local klan "dens" held a unifying convention in Nashville, Tenn., in 1867 and elected former Confederate Army General Forrest as their grand wizard. <<​

Source Three: ---Extremism in America/ADL

>> About the Ku Klux Klan
The Ku Klux Klan is a racist, anti-Semitic movement with a commitment to extreme violence to achieve its goals of racial segregation and white supremacy.
... At first, the Ku Klux Klan focused its anger and violence on African-Americans, on white Americans who stood up for them, and against the federal government which supported their rights. Subsequent incarnations of the Klan, which typically emerged in times of rapid social change, added more categories to its enemies list, including Jews, Catholics (less so after the 1970s), homosexuals, and different groups of immigrants.

Founder: Confederate Civil War veterans Captain John C. Lester, Major James R. Crowe, John D. Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard R. Reed, Frank O. McCord <<
​

Source FOUR:

In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the "Ku Klux Klan." The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government's progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.

The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning "circle," and the Scottish-Gaelic word "clan," which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK's first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan's excessive violence. <<​

Source FIVE:

>> The original Ku Klux Klan was created in an 1865 meeting in a law office by six Confederate veterans in Pulaski, Tennessee. It was, at first, a humorous social club centering on practical jokes and hazing rituals. From 1866 to 1867, various local units began breaking up black prayer meetings and invading black homes at night to steal firearms. Some of these activities may have been modeled on previous Tennessee vigilante groups such as the Yellow Jackets and Redcaps. In an 1867 convention held in Nashville, the Klan was formalized as a national organization under a Prescript written by George Gordon, a former Confederate brigadier general.

... As historian Elaine Frantz Parsons discovered [Parsons p 816]:

"Lifting the Klan mask revealed a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own." <<​

Source SIX:

>> The first Klan was created by six men from Pulaski Tennessee, in the image of other secret societies of the day. The hierarchical organization with local chapters housed under a national umbressa [sic] structure.

... History and context:

The first KKK was formed in the American South at the end of the civil war, when the victorious Union government imposed a version of martial law on the south and began to enforce laws designed to end segregation against black citizens. When a constitutional amendment granted black men the right to vote in 1870, the group turned to intimidation and violence to try to halt de-segregation. <<​

Source SEVEN:

>> Started during Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War, the Klan quickly mobilized as a vigilante group to intimidate Southern blacks - and any whites who would help them - and to prevent them from enjoying basic civil rights. <<​

Source EIGHT:

>> The original Ku Klux Klan was organized by ex-Confederate elements to oppose the Reconstruction policies of the radical Republican Congress and to maintain "white supremacy." After the Civil War, when local government in the South was weak or nonexistent and there were fears of black outrages and even of an insurrection, informal vigilante organizations or armed patrols were formed in almost all communities. These were linked together in societies, such as the Men of Justice, the Pale Faces, the Constitutional Union Guards, the White Brotherhood, and the Order of the White Rose. The Ku Klux Klan was the best known of these, and in time it absorbed many of the smaller organizations. <<​

Source NINE:

>> The 19th-century Klan was originally organized as a social club by Confederate veterans in Pulaski, Tenn., in 1866. They apparently derived the name from the Greek word kyklos, from which comes the English circle; Klan was added for the sake of alliteration and Ku Klux Klan emerged. The organization quickly became a vehicle for Southern white underground resistance to Radical Reconstruction. Klan members sought the restoration of white supremacy through intimidation and violence aimed at the newly enfranchised black freedmen. A similar organization, the Knights of the White Camelia, began in Louisiana in 1867. <<

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What's more, moron, you were active in the thread where I originally posted these over a year ago, so you already know better you dishonest HACK.

You're wasting your time providing facts. Some of these morons will continue to ignore the fact that they are blatant about their discriminating comments, they openly admit they hate blacks, their actions repeatedly affirm it and then they turn around and say that liberals are the racists. They either are too ignorant to reconcile themselves to their attitude or just don't have a logical response.

Yeah I know -- but all that was already done in a previous thread, and this gave me an opportunity to collect 'em all in once place for the next time some wag goes

What I like about history is that it doesn't change. You learn it once and... that's it. When you're honest about it you don't have to keep revising your story as the liars do. It's all about doing less work.

 

[hangover]

Oh the irony....Cons rag on Baltimore and Ferguson...

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Police Would Have Massacred Texas Bikers If They Were Black
For the second time in a year, law enforcement officials held their violent aggression and hostility normally reserved for peaceful African Americans in check when a mass of

 

[S.J.]

You gave me a link to a propaganda site and called it history. No one is fooled by your weak attempt at deception, dickhead.

​

Again -- do yer fuckin' homework and you won't be embarrassed like this. I gave you a history derived from 44 historical works. You gave us a wank. Face it -- you're a loser.

Sorry, dickhead, but posting a picture of yourself doesn't give you any credibility. But it IS evidence that you have no argument.

I completely destroyed your ipse dixit with actual history, loser. But this does give me an opportunity to bring this old collection forward, so here ya go --

Source One: Wiki

First KKK
>> The first Klan was founded in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, by six veterans of the Confederate Army.[17] The name is probably derived from the Greek word kuklos which means circle, suggesting a circle or band of brothers.[18]
Although there was little organizational structure above the local level, similar groups rose across the South and adopted the same name and methods.[19] Klan groups spread throughout the South as an insurgent movement during the Reconstruction era in the United States. As a secret vigilante group, the Klan targeted freedmen and their allies; it sought to restore white supremacy by threats and violence, including murder, against black and white Republicans.

Second KKK
... In 1915, the second Klan was founded in Atlanta, Georgia. Starting in 1921, it adopted a modern business system of recruiting (which paid most of the initiation fee and costume charges as commissions to the organizers) and grew rapidly nationwide at a time of prosperity. Reflecting the social tensions of urban industrialization and vastly increased immigration, its membership grew most rapidly in cities, and spread out of the South to the Midwest and West. The second KKK preached "One Hundred Percent Americanism" and demanded the purification of politics, calling for strict morality and better enforcement of prohibition. Its official rhetoric focused on the threat of the Catholic Church, using anti-Catholicism and nativism.[4] Its appeal was directed exclusively at white Protestants.[21]​

...Third KKK
The "Ku Klux Klan" name was used by a numerous independent local groups opposing the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation, especially in the 1950s and 1960s. During this period, they often forged alliances with Southern police departments, as in Birmingham, Alabama; or with governor's offices, as with George Wallace of Alabama.[25] Several members of KKK groups were convicted of murder in the deaths of civil rights workers and children in the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham. <<​

Source Two: The Present Day Ku Klux Klan Movement, Report by the Committee on Un-American Activities, House of Representatives, Ninetieth Congress, First Session, December 11, 1967

>> The six Confederate army veterans credited with originating the Ku Klux Klan on Christmas Eve of 1865 in Pulaski, Tenn. are not memorialized in current klan literature. ... The organization to which modern klansmen pay homage was the Ku Klux Klan headed by Nathan Bedford Forrest, which officially operated in at least nine Southern states from 1867 to 1869 and unofficially for some years thereafter.

The conversion of klan purposes from amusement to terrorism had already been demonstrated by the time representatives of the local klan "dens" held a unifying convention in Nashville, Tenn., in 1867 and elected former Confederate Army General Forrest as their grand wizard. <<​

Source Three: ---Extremism in America/ADL

>> About the Ku Klux Klan
The Ku Klux Klan is a racist, anti-Semitic movement with a commitment to extreme violence to achieve its goals of racial segregation and white supremacy.
... At first, the Ku Klux Klan focused its anger and violence on African-Americans, on white Americans who stood up for them, and against the federal government which supported their rights. Subsequent incarnations of the Klan, which typically emerged in times of rapid social change, added more categories to its enemies list, including Jews, Catholics (less so after the 1970s), homosexuals, and different groups of immigrants.

Founder: Confederate Civil War veterans Captain John C. Lester, Major James R. Crowe, John D. Kennedy, Calvin Jones, Richard R. Reed, Frank O. McCord <<
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Source FOUR:

In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the "Ku Klux Klan." The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government's progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.

The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning "circle," and the Scottish-Gaelic word "clan," which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK's first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan's excessive violence. <<​

Source FIVE:

>> The original Ku Klux Klan was created in an 1865 meeting in a law office by six Confederate veterans in Pulaski, Tennessee. It was, at first, a humorous social club centering on practical jokes and hazing rituals. From 1866 to 1867, various local units began breaking up black prayer meetings and invading black homes at night to steal firearms. Some of these activities may have been modeled on previous Tennessee vigilante groups such as the Yellow Jackets and Redcaps. In an 1867 convention held in Nashville, the Klan was formalized as a national organization under a Prescript written by George Gordon, a former Confederate brigadier general.

... As historian Elaine Frantz Parsons discovered [Parsons p 816]:

"Lifting the Klan mask revealed a chaotic multitude of antiblack vigilante groups, disgruntled poor white farmers, wartime guerrilla bands, displaced Democratic politicians, illegal whiskey distillers, coercive moral reformers, bored young men, sadists, rapists, white workmen fearful of black competition, employers trying to enforce labor discipline, common thieves, neighbors with decades-old grudges, and even a few freedmen and white Republicans who allied with Democratic whites or had criminal agendas of their own." <<​

Source SIX:

>> The first Klan was created by six men from Pulaski Tennessee, in the image of other secret societies of the day. The hierarchical organization with local chapters housed under a national umbressa [sic] structure.

... History and context:

The first KKK was formed in the American South at the end of the civil war, when the victorious Union government imposed a version of martial law on the south and began to enforce laws designed to end segregation against black citizens. When a constitutional amendment granted black men the right to vote in 1870, the group turned to intimidation and violence to try to halt de-segregation. <<​

Source SEVEN:

>> Started during Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War, the Klan quickly mobilized as a vigilante group to intimidate Southern blacks - and any whites who would help them - and to prevent them from enjoying basic civil rights. <<​

Source EIGHT:

>> The original Ku Klux Klan was organized by ex-Confederate elements to oppose the Reconstruction policies of the radical Republican Congress and to maintain "white supremacy." After the Civil War, when local government in the South was weak or nonexistent and there were fears of black outrages and even of an insurrection, informal vigilante organizations or armed patrols were formed in almost all communities. These were linked together in societies, such as the Men of Justice, the Pale Faces, the Constitutional Union Guards, the White Brotherhood, and the Order of the White Rose. The Ku Klux Klan was the best known of these, and in time it absorbed many of the smaller organizations. <<​

Source NINE:

>> The 19th-century Klan was originally organized as a social club by Confederate veterans in Pulaski, Tenn., in 1866. They apparently derived the name from the Greek word kyklos, from which comes the English circle; Klan was added for the sake of alliteration and Ku Klux Klan emerged. The organization quickly became a vehicle for Southern white underground resistance to Radical Reconstruction. Klan members sought the restoration of white supremacy through intimidation and violence aimed at the newly enfranchised black freedmen. A similar organization, the Knights of the White Camelia, began in Louisiana in 1867. <<

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What's more, moron, you were active in the thread where I originally posted these over a year ago, so you already know better you dishonest HACK.

You're wasting your time providing facts. Some of these morons will continue to ignore the fact that they are blatant about their discriminating comments, they openly admit they hate blacks, their actions repeatedly affirm it and then they turn around and say that liberals are the racists. They either are too ignorant to reconcile themselves to their attitude or just don't have a logical response.

Yeah I know -- but all that was already done in a previous thread, and this gave me an opportunity to collect 'em all in once place for the next time some wag goes

What I like about history is that it doesn't change. You learn it once and... that's it. When you're honest about it you don't have to keep revising your story as the liars do. It's all about doing less work.

Here's a little history about the Republican Party for you, dickhead. You know, those terrible racist, sexist, bigoted monsters you keep claiming were responsible for opressing blacks, Indians, and women throughout history. Go ahead and try rewriting it, I could use another good laugh, courtesy of the biggest idiot on these forums.

History of the GOP GOP

 

[Asclepias]

Police Would Have Massacred Texas Bikers If They Were Black
For the second time in a year, law enforcement officials held their violent aggression and hostility normally reserved for peaceful African Americans in check when a mass of

White privilege. When whites do something its an aberration of course. If people of another race do it the entire race suffers. If these bikers were Mexican, Black, Vietnamese etc all the news coverage and police response would be against "those people".

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Police Would Have Massacred Texas Bikers If They Were Black
For the second time in a year, law enforcement officials held their violent aggression and hostility normally reserved for peaceful African Americans in check when a mass of

White privilege. When whites do something its an aberration of course. If people of another race do it the entire race suffers. If these bikers were Mexican, Black, Vietnamese etc all the news coverage and police response would be against "those people".

The difference, again, is that normal white people don't identify with these morons or try to justify their behavior. Same can't be said for blacks.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

The difference, again, is that normal white people don't identify with these morons or try to justify their behavior. Same can't be said for blacks.

I identify you as having the same moral development as the white thugs...you identify with Cliven Bundy ....

 

[Asclepias]

Police Would Have Massacred Texas Bikers If They Were Black
For the second time in a year, law enforcement officials held their violent aggression and hostility normally reserved for peaceful African Americans in check when a mass of

White privilege. When whites do something its an aberration of course. If people of another race do it the entire race suffers. If these bikers were Mexican, Black, Vietnamese etc all the news coverage and police response would be against "those people".

The difference, again, is that normal white people don't identify with these morons or try to justify their behavior. Same can't be said for blacks.

See there you go trying to separate yourself from your violent white brothers. Of course normal white people identify with them. Thats why you guys think they are cool.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

The conservatives specially Hannity , made a hero of Cliven Bundy a scofflaw thief of tax payer money who led armed resistance to law enforcement..They made a hero out of Cliven Bundy ...which is making chicken salad of chicken poop..

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

The difference, again, is that normal white people don't identify with these morons or try to justify their behavior. Same can't be said for blacks.

I identify you as having the same moral development as the white thugs...you identify with Cliven Bundy ....

Yes, I identify with Cliven Bundy that's why if you go back and look at the threads on that subject, I SPECIFICALLY said he is an asshole who broke the law, and that if I had been a federal agent sitting behind a scope when his buddies were pointing weapons at my fellow officers I would have put them down like the rabid animals they are.

Moron.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Hannity Fox News fan...the white community embraced and still embraces his law breaking..

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Moron.[/QUOTE]



Hannity Fox News fan...the white community embraced and still embraces his law breaking..

I CLEARLY said NORMAL white people. Not all white people are normal. But did you, or do you see an organized mob of white people destroying a city to protest his treatment? Nope. Why not? Because the whites who defend the moron are in the silent minority, while the blacks who defend moronic blacks are in the vocal majority.

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Moron.[/QUOTE]



Hannity Fox News fan...the white community embraced and still embraces his law breaking..

I CLEARLY said NORMAL white people. Not all white people are normal. But did you, or do you see an organized mob of white people destroying a city to protest his treatment? Nope. Why not? Because the whites who defend the moron are in the silent minority, while the blacks who defend moronic blacks are in the vocal majority.

There is simply no equivalency on how Blacks are treated and whites...whites have privilege ...Blacks have Ferguson style oppression....