But, Aren't Nazis and Fascists Really Left-Wingers?

[hazlnut]

Nearly every single nation strives for a strong national defense. Does that mean they're all Nazis?

Nazi Germany had a primarily state-controlled economy. Th entire foundation of socialism revolves around having the state control the economy.

So yes, the Nazis were without a doubt socialists.

Prepare to have your ass handed to you in 4...3...2..

Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name as Hitler at the time instead preferred to use "Social Revolutionary". Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as meaning a commitment of an individual to a community. Hitler did not want the ideology's socialism to be conflated with Marxian socialism, and claimed that true socialism does not repudiate private property unlike the claims of Marxism, and claimed that the "Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning" and said that "Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism." Nazism favoured private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class differences. The Nazis outlawed strikes by employees and lockouts by employers, because these were regarded a threat to national unity.

State socialism is generally described as an economic system with a limited number of socialist characteristics, including public ownership of major industries.



Be honest, have you ever felt so fucking stupid in your entire life...???

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

But, Aren't Nazis and Fascists Really Left-Wingers?

That’s truly an idiotic question.

 

[tooAlive]

Nearly every single nation strives for a strong national defense. Does that mean they're all Nazis?

Nazi Germany had a primarily state-controlled economy. Th entire foundation of socialism revolves around having the state control the economy.

So yes, the Nazis were without a doubt socialists.

Prepare to have your ass handed to you in 4...3...2..

Nazi Führer Adolf Hitler had objected to the party's previous leader's decision to use the word "Socialist" in its name as Hitler at the time instead preferred to use "Social Revolutionary". Upon taking over the leadership, Hitler kept the term but defined socialism as meaning a commitment of an individual to a community. Hitler did not want the ideology's socialism to be conflated with Marxian socialism, and claimed that true socialism does not repudiate private property unlike the claims of Marxism, and claimed that the "Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning" and said that "Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism." Nazism favoured private property, freedom of contract, and promoted the creation of national solidarity that would transcend class differences. The Nazis outlawed strikes by employees and lockouts by employers, because these were regarded a threat to national unity.

State socialism is generally described as an economic system with a limited number of socialist characteristics, including public ownership of major industries.

Sounds to me like you're praising Hitler in that post.



Yep, Hitler was totally all about private property (their own) and freedom of contract (again, their own). Just like Lenin and Castro.

 

[tooAlive]

But, Aren't Nazis and Fascists Really Left-Wingers?

That’s truly an idiotic question.

You're right. It's so obvious I shouldn't even have to ask it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Nazis were for strong national defense - Ronald Reagan was for strong national defense.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Nazi Germany had social security - Ronald Reagan saved social security.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Shall we go on?

Nearly every single nation strives for a strong national defense. Does that mean they're all Nazis?

Nazi Germany had a primarily state-controlled economy. Th entire foundation of socialism revolves around having the state control the economy.

So yes, the Nazis were without a doubt socialists.

They weren't liberals, by their own proclamations.

 

[SniperFire]

Prepare to have your ass handed to you in 4...3...2..

LOL

Hitler, Socialist, Supreme Community Organizer and Hater of Capitalists...... just like Barry:

"In the World War we had them as external foes, in our struggle as internal foes, and now, as a National-Socialist State, as external foes again.

And again it is no accident that the same State which at that time thought it could bring about the collapse of Germany by a flood of lying propaganda, now again sends a man on the same mission. Then his name was Wilson; now his name is Roosevelt. The Germany of that time, without any education in state and national politics, without any unity, without any enlightenment on the problem of the Jewish question and the working of that power, fell victim to that attack.

The great mistake is that our enemies now imagine it will happen a second time. For if at that time we were perhaps the best organized people in the world, without doubt again we are now the best organized people in the world. And if anyone in the rest of the world imagines he can shatter this people, he does not know the enduring heart of this people today, nor the enduring power, the knowledge which guides this people politically today-the National Socialist Party and its mighty organization.

Neither has he any idea of what this movement has achieved since then, how it has taken hold of our people by its accomplishments, and how it has fulfilled the Socialist ideal-which is free of all international cheating, all the "lying tirades," how it has fulfilled these Socialist ideals in a way that no other State has even begun to approach up to now, to say nothing of attain.

I am calm therefore when I face any German who is fighting in the East, or who comes home on leave-and I can tell each one of them, just look at our organization. Compare our home cities, compare the workers' settlements which we are building, compare our social organization with what you have seen on the other side. Compare the fate and the lot of the German farmer with the lot of that Russian farmer. Compare all of that, my dear friend, and then give me your judgment as to who has managed things better, and above all else, who has had more honorable intentions?

Not one man has as yet returned, who could express any other opinion than that if a Socialistic State were in the process of being realized anywhere, it was in Germany only that it was actually taking place. That is still another reason why this other world which so willingly represents capitalistic interests in particular, is attacking us. It is a combine, which even today still pretends to be able to rule the world according to its private capitalistic interests, to manage it, and when necessary, to keep on ruling it. "

Hitler Speech on the 19th Anniversary of the "Beer Hall Putsch"



Ass handed.

LOL

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Nazis were for strong national defense - Ronald Reagan was for strong national defense.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Nazi Germany had social security - Ronald Reagan saved social security.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Shall we go on?

Nearly every single nation strives for a strong national defense. Does that mean they're all Nazis?

By the 'logic' of you idiots, yes.

 

[mjollnir]

The Nazis were for strong national defense - Ronald Reagan was for strong national defense.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Nazi Germany had social security - Ronald Reagan saved social security.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Shall we go on?

Nearly every single nation strives for a strong national defense. Does that mean they're all Nazis?

Nazi Germany had a primarily state-controlled economy. Th entire foundation of socialism revolves around having the state control the economy.

So yes, the Nazis were without a doubt socialists.

They are now attempting the Appeal to Ridicule logical fallacy, now that it has been shown in no uncertain terms that the total government tyrannical control of the communism, fascism and the modern American Democrats are inarguable offshoot of Leftwing ideology.

Congrats on a great thread, and thanks for the graphic which will be used to slay them forever and ever in the future.

LOL

No, you pathetic child, they're not committing that fallacy.

You and logic are tragically and utterly unacquainted, so it's likely best that you refrained from trying to reference it.

You'll look less stupid that way.

 

[tooAlive]

The Nazis were for strong national defense - Ronald Reagan was for strong national defense.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Nazi Germany had social security - Ronald Reagan saved social security.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Shall we go on?

Nearly every single nation strives for a strong national defense. Does that mean they're all Nazis?

Nazi Germany had a primarily state-controlled economy. Th entire foundation of socialism revolves around having the state control the economy.

So yes, the Nazis were without a doubt socialists.

They weren't liberals, by their own proclamations.

Adolf Hitler also persecuted countless homosexuals and sent them to concentration camps, while his own sexuality is still questioned today.

Fidel Castro also claimed he wasn't a communist.

Not by words, but by deeds. And if we judge Hitler and his Nazi regime by deeds, even oblivious to the blatant use of the word "socialist" in NSDAP, he was a socialist. His entire agenda wreaks of socialism.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why don't we ask the Nazis themselves?

Joseph Goebbels, 1933:

Both in theory and practice, National Socialism opposes liberalism.

and

It is a warning for the entire liberal world that Germany has replaced democracy with an authoritarian system, that liberalism broke under the blows of the national uprising, that parliamentarianism and the party system are outdated concepts for us.

Goebbels' Speech at the 1933 Nuremberg Rally

 

[SniperFire]

Why don't we ask the Nazis themselves?

Joseph Goebbels, 1933:

Both in theory and practice, National Socialism opposes liberalism.

and

It is a warning for the entire liberal world that Germany has replaced democracy with an authoritarian system, that liberalism broke under the blows of the national uprising, that parliamentarianism and the party system are outdated concepts for us.

Goebbels' Speech at the 1933 Nuremberg Rally

He was of course referring to classic liberalism. Just because you evil progressives are using the name does not distance you from you total government tyrannical brethern such as the 20th century fascists.

Always here to help!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Nearly every single nation strives for a strong national defense. Does that mean they're all Nazis?

Nazi Germany had a primarily state-controlled economy. Th entire foundation of socialism revolves around having the state control the economy.

So yes, the Nazis were without a doubt socialists.

They weren't liberals, by their own proclamations.

Adolf Hitler also persecuted countless homosexuals and sent them to concentration camps, while his own sexuality is still questioned today.

Fidel Castro also claimed he wasn't a communist.

Not by words, but by deeds. And if we judge Hitler and his Nazi regime by deeds, even oblivious to the blatant use of the word "socialist" in NSDAP, he was a socialist. His entire agenda wreaks of socialism.

As often as I have seen this same preposterous thread, in one form or another, posted by conservatives on message boards,

I can, interestingly,

go to Joseph Goebbels for an appropriate comment:


“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. ”

This is of course standard rightwing practice nowadays. You see it play out on this message board all the time.

 

[hazlnut]

Why don't we ask the Nazis themselves?

Joseph Goebbels, 1933:

Both in theory and practice, National Socialism opposes liberalism.

and

It is a warning for the entire liberal world that Germany has replaced democracy with an authoritarian system, that liberalism broke under the blows of the national uprising, that parliamentarianism and the party system are outdated concepts for us.

Goebbels' Speech at the 1933 Nuremberg Rally

He was of course referring to classic liberalism. Just because you evil progressives are using the name does not distance you from you total government tyrannical brethern such as the 20th century fascists.

Always here to help!

You say "progressive" like it's a bad word. And you seem to know little about early American Progressive idea -- or you've been misinformed.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Why don't we ask the Nazis themselves?

Joseph Goebbels, 1933:

Both in theory and practice, National Socialism opposes liberalism.

and

It is a warning for the entire liberal world that Germany has replaced democracy with an authoritarian system, that liberalism broke under the blows of the national uprising, that parliamentarianism and the party system are outdated concepts for us.

Goebbels' Speech at the 1933 Nuremberg Rally

He was of course referring to classic liberalism. Just because you evil progressives are using the name does not distance you from you total government tyrannical brethern such as the 20th century fascists.

Always here to help!

The beauty of a big lie is that you people who perpetuate them always have the little lies to keep the big lies going.

 

[SniperFire]

They weren't liberals, by their own proclamations.

Adolf Hitler also persecuted countless homosexuals and sent them to concentration camps, while his own sexuality is still questioned today.

Fidel Castro also claimed he wasn't a communist.

Not by words, but by deeds. And if we judge Hitler and his Nazi regime by deeds, even oblivious to the blatant use of the word "socialist" in NSDAP, he was a socialist. His entire agenda wreaks of socialism.

As often as I have seen this same preposterous thread, in one form or another, posted by conservatives on message boards,

I can, interestingly,

go to Joseph Goebbels for an appropriate comment:


“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. ”

This is of course standard rightwing practice nowadays. You see it play out on this message board all the time.

LOL. Strong buthurt on that one.

 

[tooAlive]

They weren't liberals, by their own proclamations.

Adolf Hitler also persecuted countless homosexuals and sent them to concentration camps, while his own sexuality is still questioned today.

Fidel Castro also claimed he wasn't a communist.

Not by words, but by deeds. And if we judge Hitler and his Nazi regime by deeds, even oblivious to the blatant use of the word "socialist" in NSDAP, he was a socialist. His entire agenda wreaks of socialism.

As often as I have seen this same preposterous thread, in one form or another, posted by conservatives on message boards,

I can, interestingly,

go to Joseph Goebbels for an appropriate comment:


“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. ”

This is of course standard rightwing practice nowadays. You see it play out on this message board all the time.

In other words, you can't refute anything I said.

 

[SniperFire]

You say "progressive" like it's a bad word.

It is a plague on mankind.

Now it's dark, dark cloud of evil and oppression hangs over America.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Nazis, who hated homosexuals, banned abortion, promoted traditional family values to the maximum, saw women's primary role as baby machines,

adored militarism, promoted nationalism to the extreme and despised internationalism to the same degree,

THOSE guys, according the modern day American conservative genius,

were LIBERALS, and further down that rabbit hole of conservative 'thinking',

modern day LIBERALS are just like the Nazis,

despite believing in almost nothing the Nazis believed in.

 

[tooAlive]

Why don't we ask the Nazis themselves?

Joseph Goebbels, 1933:

Both in theory and practice, National Socialism opposes liberalism.

and

It is a warning for the entire liberal world that Germany has replaced democracy with an authoritarian system, that liberalism broke under the blows of the national uprising, that parliamentarianism and the party system are outdated concepts for us.

Goebbels' Speech at the 1933 Nuremberg Rally

He was of course referring to classic liberalism. Just because you evil progressives are using the name does not distance you from you total government tyrannical brethern such as the 20th century fascists.

Always here to help!

This!

Classical Liberalism vs. Modern Liberalism - Reason.com

 

[NYcarbineer]

Adolf Hitler also persecuted countless homosexuals and sent them to concentration camps, while his own sexuality is still questioned today.

Fidel Castro also claimed he wasn't a communist.

Not by words, but by deeds. And if we judge Hitler and his Nazi regime by deeds, even oblivious to the blatant use of the word "socialist" in NSDAP, he was a socialist. His entire agenda wreaks of socialism.

As often as I have seen this same preposterous thread, in one form or another, posted by conservatives on message boards,

I can, interestingly,

go to Joseph Goebbels for an appropriate comment:


“If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth. ”

This is of course standard rightwing practice nowadays. You see it play out on this message board all the time.

In other words, you can't refute anything I said.

You said Hitler persecuted homosexuals. Between the American right and the American left,

which would be closer to Hitler on that issue?