But, Aren't Nazis and Fascists Really Left-Wingers?

[L.K.Eder]

Oh ok, kook....but they weren't Nazis too, eh?

Himmler was the one going around decorating Germany with pagan symbols without Hitler's permission....sounds like a HGTV and Oprah TV show.

let's see what hitler had to say about occultists.

from "mein kampf"

The characteristic of most of these natures is that they abound in old Germanic heroism, that they revel in the dim past, stone axes, spear and shield, but that in natura they are the greatest cowards imaginable. For the same people who wave about old Germanic tin swords carefully imitated, and wear a prepared bearskin with bull's horns covering their bearded heads always preach for the present only the fight with spiritual weapons and flee quickly in sight of every communist blackjack. Posterity will have little cause for glorifying their heroic existence in a new epic. I got to know these people too well not to feel the deepest disgust at this miserable comedy. They make a ridiculous impression on the great masses, and the Jew has every reason to spare these folk comedians, even to prefer them to the true fighters for the coming German State. Thereby these people are even immeasurably conceited, despite all proofs of their complete inability they pretend to under- stand and to know everything better, and they become a real plague for all straightforward and honest fighters, to whom heroism appears not only venerable in the past, but who also endeavor to give posterity the same picture by their activity in the present.

Occultists weak.. easier to control.. which is why it was interesting to Hitler and the Nazis to research into it to see how they were controlled.. in order to expand their own totalitarian control in any way possible

that does not make sense.

especially not when it was claimed that hitler himself was an occultist.

 

[konradv]

Controls for the state, all for state benefit... yes, that is left wing...

Where as Genghis would conquer, demand tribute but allowing them to govern themselves, choose their own beliefs, etc is totalitarian right... you say you were not part of the empire, try to eliminate yourself from tribute, etc and you would be brutally forced to the opposite or eliminated completely.. brutally forced allegiance while continuing your trade, ideals, beliefs, religion, etc... quite different than Nazi ideology

The right wing French monarchy did not allow self-government, forced people to accept their religion and suppressed the language and customs of minorities. Sounds kind of Nazi to me.

No, not Nazi. It is as incorrect to identify all government that enforces morality, religion, social concepts, etc. as "Nazi" as it is to identify as communist all who call themselves 'liberal' in this country.

If the goal is to demonize or discredit or marginalize a person or group or entity, all such labels can be used as perjorative terms. But there are specific definitions applied to each, and in my opinion, those who are interested in truth instead of oneupmanship will acknowledge that.

But your observations about the French monarchy do graphically illustrate the difference between definitions of right and left, liberal/conservative etc. as applied in European history and what is the reality in US society.

I wasn't, Diamond Dave was. I was just showing him how foolish his analysis was.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Sure shithead....so where did Hitler tell the German masses about the Jews being God's chosen people "from the Bible" before he sent them to the gas chambers....

You're full of shit. You are trying to taint Christians for the acts of the Nazis.

obamination claims to be a Christian yet supports killing unborn babies like a Nazi, you probably support abortion too.

On abortion, no I do not. As for the Jews, I've already pointed out that the Nazi's avoided mention of the Old Testament whenever possible. Try to keep up.

 

[DiamondDave]

The right wing French monarchy did not allow self-government, forced people to accept their religion and suppressed the language and customs of minorities. Sounds kind of Nazi to me.

No, not Nazi. It is as incorrect to identify all government that enforces morality, religion, social concepts, etc. as "Nazi" as it is to identify as communist all who call themselves 'liberal' in this country.

If the goal is to demonize or discredit or marginalize a person or group or entity, all such labels can be used as perjorative terms. But there are specific definitions applied to each, and in my opinion, those who are interested in truth instead of oneupmanship will acknowledge that.

But your observations about the French monarchy do graphically illustrate the difference between definitions of right and left, liberal/conservative etc. as applied in European history and what is the reality in US society.

I wasn't, Diamond Dave was. I was just showing him how foolish his analysis was.

Nice try.. no.. I did not...

I stated facts about Hitler's interest in the occult in terms of control.. not that the Nazis tried to control religion.. I also mentioned how Genghis allowed people to still follow their own religion, etc, even with his totalitarian control for tribute, etc

 

[DiamondDave]

let's see what hitler had to say about occultists.

from "mein kampf"

Occultists weak.. easier to control.. which is why it was interesting to Hitler and the Nazis to research into it to see how they were controlled.. in order to expand their own totalitarian control in any way possible

that does not make sense.

especially not when it was claimed that hitler himself was an occultist.

No.. I claimed Hitler was INTERESTED IN THE OCCULT for the use of control for his totalitarian empire... and IF there was something to the 'supernatural' he was having people look into, who was he to say that it should not be used... INTEREST in the occult for this does not make him an occultist

 

[L.K.Eder]

Occultists weak.. easier to control.. which is why it was interesting to Hitler and the Nazis to research into it to see how they were controlled.. in order to expand their own totalitarian control in any way possible

that does not make sense.

especially not when it was claimed that hitler himself was an occultist.

No.. I claimed Hitler was INTERESTED IN THE OCCULT for the use of control for his totalitarian empire... and IF there was something to the 'supernatural' he was having people look into, who was he to say that it should not be used... INTEREST in the occult for this does not make him an occultist

maybe, but you are not the only person posting in this thread.

 

[DiamondDave]

that does not make sense.

especially not when it was claimed that hitler himself was an occultist.

No.. I claimed Hitler was INTERESTED IN THE OCCULT for the use of control for his totalitarian empire... and IF there was something to the 'supernatural' he was having people look into, who was he to say that it should not be used... INTEREST in the occult for this does not make him an occultist

maybe, but you are not the only person posting in this thread.

BUT.. you were responding to me and my posts on this subject

 

[Ravi]

No.. I claimed Hitler was INTERESTED IN THE OCCULT for the use of control for his totalitarian empire... and IF there was something to the 'supernatural' he was having people look into, who was he to say that it should not be used... INTEREST in the occult for this does not make him an occultist

maybe, but you are not the only person posting in this thread.

BUT.. you were responding to me and my posts on this subject

And you defended the person that claimed Hitler was an occultist by telling LK to watch the history channel.

Why derail such a fascinating thread with such petty bullshit?

 

[DiamondDave]

maybe, but you are not the only person posting in this thread.

BUT.. you were responding to me and my posts on this subject

And you defended the person that claimed Hitler was an occultist by telling LK to watch the history channel.

Why derail such a fascinating thread with such petty bullshit?

Actually.. what I responded to was

Actually.. Hitler was into all sorts of zealot things, religious and non-religious.. as it was fascinating not only for the fact that something supernatural could be useful, but also in terms of how people blindly followed things such as religion as zealots.. it was all to play into his national socialist fascist control

Agreed on that. That's a fairly typical approach to controlling crowds on the Left and the Right though. A lot of that looks silly or ridiculous to us because US History is relatively young. The Germans can go back to Viking Ancestral Gods if they really want to find legendary heroes, we as a nation can only go back to really the Founders.

At some point, IIRC, Hitler actually was sending out teams to look for some fairly niche religious stuff.

that's from an indiana jones movie.

in reality, hitler was not that big into occultism.

try himmler or hess.

And my response was

Watch the history channel.. Hitler was somewhat in to the occult, in as far as his interest in the control it could possibly or did bring about... His rule of the masses for state benefit was an ultimate goal, and if things occult could help in any way, he would consider it

Nice try, Ravi

 

[Ravi]

BUT.. you were responding to me and my posts on this subject

And you defended the person that claimed Hitler was an occultist by telling LK to watch the history channel.

Why derail such a fascinating thread with such petty bullshit?

Actually.. what I responded to was

that's from an indiana jones movie.

in reality, hitler was not that big into occultism.

try himmler or hess.

And my response was

Watch the history channel.. Hitler was somewhat in to the occult, in as far as his interest in the control it could possibly or did bring about... His rule of the masses for state benefit was an ultimate goal, and if things occult could help in any way, he would consider it

Nice try, Ravi

huh, looks like you are correct and I remembered incorrectly what you'd posted.

He also used socialism and populism and Christianity to rule the masses, in the beginning. In the end he was a fascist monster that bears no resemblance to any American politician now or ever.

 

[L.K.Eder]

No.. I claimed Hitler was INTERESTED IN THE OCCULT for the use of control for his totalitarian empire... and IF there was something to the 'supernatural' he was having people look into, who was he to say that it should not be used... INTEREST in the occult for this does not make him an occultist

maybe, but you are not the only person posting in this thread.

BUT.. you were responding to me and my posts on this subject

and you were posting to my response to the possessed berserker. d'uh.

now what?

threads are not linear. only because you may have originated the occult bullshit on this thread that does not mean that every post about it is necessarily addressed at you.

watch the history channel. i am still chuckling about that advice.

 

[Newby]

Agreed on that. That's a fairly typical approach to controlling crowds on the Left and the Right though. A lot of that looks silly or ridiculous to us because US History is relatively young. The Germans can go back to Viking Ancestral Gods if they really want to find legendary heroes, we as a nation can only go back to really the Founders.

At some point, IIRC, Hitler actually was sending out teams to look for some fairly niche religious stuff.

Hitler was a ruler, not a president, bottom line.

brilliant insight

Thanks! Better than any you've provided so far, in my humble opinion of course.

 

[Glensather]

Right wing by the media. Hitler was all about big government and central planning. He centralized all the powers in Germany. He nationalized not only Jewish owned business, but many crucial non-Jewish owned businesses. He nationalize whole industries and enacted communist style central planning. All decisions were made by a large central government!

They weren't Christians you piece of garbage. They weren't loyal to any religion, but it you want to put their beliefs in line with any sect it would be atheism! They were godless and put their faith in the all powerful state. They didn't believe in free markets and limited government which is what makes the right the right!

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
-Hitler (Mein Kampf)

hitler on christianity - Google Search

LOL

More Libtard fail.

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.

Hey, Newsflash.
Hitler was fucking crazy. He'd throw his mistress under the bus to further his "ideals", such as they were.

Comparing Rightists to Nazis and Leftists to Communists is absurd.

It makes right wingers look like idiots as they use sources spreading lies and false information to program the sheep.

I told the dopey OP his spectrum was false and contrary to every poli sci and history textbook everywhere, but he just clings to his stupidity and lies.

Refute this:

Don't know if I can refute it, but I don't really care either. I'm not a Democrat so I don't have to defend myself.

That said, I prefer this chart:

Of which I stand here:

Also:

 

[SniperFire]

Don't know if I can refute it, but I don't really care either. I'm not a Democrat so I don't have to defend myself.

Great. Except, nobody was talking to you.

 

[tooAlive]

If we have a spectrum with Communism on the far left and Fascism/Nazism on the far right, wouldn't anarchy belong in the center?

 

[tooAlive]

Someone, a fringe-right hack, photoshopped a version of this:

REFUTED!

Now you may suck my cock.

LOL.. Did you even bother to check the article you got that chart from??

Freedom Vs. Slavery – The Political Spectrum « America In Chains

They're saying how WRONG the very chart you posted is!

The Political Spectrum – Left Wing vs. Right Wing is a lie designed to confuse you about what freedom is.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Nazis were for strong national defense - Ronald Reagan was for strong national defense.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Nazi Germany had social security - Ronald Reagan saved social security.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Shall we go on?

 

[Ravi]

The Nazis were for strong national defense - Ronald Reagan was for strong national defense.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Nazi Germany had social security - Ronald Reagan saved social security.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Shall we go on?

Ronnie liked dogs. Hitler liked dogs.

Ronnie liked only embalmed women. Hitler didn't like women at all.

Ronnie's wife was an occult nut. Hitler's boyfriend was an occult nut.

 

[tooAlive]

The Nazis were for strong national defense - Ronald Reagan was for strong national defense.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Nazi Germany had social security - Ronald Reagan saved social security.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Shall we go on?

Nearly every single nation strives for a strong national defense. Does that mean they're all Nazis?

Nazi Germany had a primarily state-controlled economy. Th entire foundation of socialism revolves around having the state control the economy.

So yes, the Nazis were without a doubt socialists.

 

[SniperFire]

The Nazis were for strong national defense - Ronald Reagan was for strong national defense.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Nazi Germany had social security - Ronald Reagan saved social security.

Therefore, Ronald Reagan was a Nazi.

Shall we go on?

Nearly every single nation strives for a strong national defense. Does that mean they're all Nazis?

Nazi Germany had a primarily state-controlled economy. Th entire foundation of socialism revolves around having the state control the economy.

So yes, the Nazis were without a doubt socialists.

They are now attempting the Appeal to Ridicule logical fallacy, now that it has been shown in no uncertain terms that the total government tyrannical control of the communism, fascism and the modern American Democrats are inarguable offshoot of Leftwing ideology.

Congrats on a great thread, and thanks for the graphic which will be used to slay them forever and ever in the future.

LOL