But, Aren't Nazis and Fascists Really Left-Wingers?

[GoneBezerk]

Hitler was a believer in the supernatural powers of the ancient pagan occult beliefs of Germany's past.

He made sure their symbols were present at all Nazi gatherings as a connection to the future and past as well as bringing the German Aryan race together under 1 collective good.

They believed their pagan occult religion would protect them and give them power over their enemies.

Scumbag liberals that hate Christians play up Hitler's Christian roots growing up in Austria like most Europeans of the day. He went psychotic along the way and accepted the occult as his new religion but liberal scum openly lie about his true beliefs to trash Christians that worked against him in Germany.

Oh tell us about how ancient German pagan occult beliefs came from the Bible.

Do read up on how cults tend to form. The Cult Founder typically starts with a Niche reading of the Bible, they then disregard what they don't like in the Bible (For the Nazi's it was any reference to the Old Testament), and they then start incorporating other traditions as needed.

Hitler used his niche reading of the Bible and supplemented it with what he needed to prop up German nationalism and his Aryan beliefs. That's actually fairly common when it comes to nationalist movements. Even here in the US we sometimes elevate the Founding Fathers and Washington to fairly ridiculous biblical heights in times of craziness.

Actually.. Hitler was into all sorts of zealot things, religious and non-religious.. as it was fascinating not only for the fact that something supernatural could be useful, but also in terms of how people blindly followed things such as religion as zealots.. it was all to play into his national socialist fascist control

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Actually.. Hitler was into all sorts of zealot things, religious and non-religious.. as it was fascinating not only for the fact that something supernatural could be useful, but also in terms of how people blindly followed things such as religion as zealots.. it was all to play into his national socialist fascist control

Agreed on that. That's a fairly typical approach to controlling crowds on the Left and the Right though. A lot of that looks silly or ridiculous to us because US History is relatively young. The Germans can go back to Viking Ancestral Gods if they really want to find legendary heroes, we as a nation can only go back to really the Founders.

At some point, IIRC, Hitler actually was sending out teams to look for some fairly niche religious stuff.

 

[GoneBezerk]

I'm waiting for one of you pieces of shit to prove TIME lied...which you can't.

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

Makes more sense than your bullshit. Whatever similarities Hitler and Stalin may have had, it doesn't have anything to do with OUR situation. If the USSR's use of the word 'Republic' doesn't mean the same thing as it does here, why should the Nazi's use of the word 'socialism'? If their use of the word proves anything, then 'nationalism' should be a dirty word too and you should be espousing One World internationalism. If not, then you're just equivocating.

All you're doing is repeating an argument that's already been dismissed. TRY AGAIN

 

[Newby]

Of course he was, as long as his regime owned them or he had his puppets in place to run them. He said a lot and did a lot in his rise to power that was not true in the end game, in other words, he lied to grab power. Is it your position that he supported free market capitalism?

When it suited him, yes. When it didn't, he didn't. That trait is hardly unique to the Left or Right though, no matter how you define it.

And if he had the power to control or change who was in charge when it didn't suit him, then that trait isn't anywhere on the right end of the political spectrum, it's just another variety of dictatorship with a facade on top of it. And really it wasn't that good of a facade in the end.

 

[Newby]

Actually.. Hitler was into all sorts of zealot things, religious and non-religious.. as it was fascinating not only for the fact that something supernatural could be useful, but also in terms of how people blindly followed things such as religion as zealots.. it was all to play into his national socialist fascist control

Agreed on that. That's a fairly typical approach to controlling crowds on the Left and the Right though. A lot of that looks silly or ridiculous to us because US History is relatively young. The Germans can go back to Viking Ancestral Gods if they really want to find legendary heroes, we as a nation can only go back to really the Founders.

At some point, IIRC, Hitler actually was sending out teams to look for some fairly niche religious stuff.

Hitler was a ruler, not a president, bottom line.

 

[BlindBoo]

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

All you're doing is repeating an argument that's already been dismissed. TRY AGAIN

It has only been dismissed by the likes of you.... The fact is that these things WERE INDEED DONE...

There is nothing there equating liberals to fascist nazis.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

And that I can agree with you on, however that has nothing to do with the discussion really. Both parties of our government are left, most conservatives have alligned themselves with the party not quite as far to the left, the Repulicans, but that doesn't meant they're not left of center, they just have different flavors of control than the Dems do. Altho, to be fair, some republicans are truly conservative, they're just drowned out by the money grubbing, power hungry asswipes from both parties, who are unfortunately in control right now.

This I agree with. The Dennis Kuchinich's and Ron Paul's of American Politics (true believers) are all marginalized. There's not much of a difference now between Tom Delay, Nancy Pelosi, and John Boehner politically.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Nice backtrack asswipe.....you claim the Bible was front and center for Nazism, which is a lie.

Hitler needed to push the church to the background to push his anti-Jewish beliefs which is COUNTER to the Bible which says they are the chosen ones. I don't recall the Bible talking about people needing to kill off the Jews....do tell us, psycho.

Also he wanted his pagan occult beliefs made the religion of Germany at that time like it was in their past.

You are a piece of shit liberal that hates Christians and you go around equating Christians with Nazis because you are scum and evil.

Actually.. Hitler was into all sorts of zealot things, religious and non-religious.. as it was fascinating not only for the fact that something supernatural could be useful, but also in terms of how people blindly followed things such as religion as zealots.. it was all to play into his national socialist fascist control

Agreed on that. That's a fairly typical approach to controlling crowds on the Left and the Right though. A lot of that looks silly or ridiculous to us because US History is relatively young. The Germans can go back to Viking Ancestral Gods if they really want to find legendary heroes, we as a nation can only go back to really the Founders.

At some point, IIRC, Hitler actually was sending out teams to look for some fairly niche religious stuff.

 

[konradv]

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

All you're doing is repeating an argument that's already been dismissed. TRY AGAIN

It has only been dismissed by the likes of you.... The fact is that these things WERE INDEED DONE...

It's been dismissed because his argument is equivocation plain and simple. If you want to accept 'socialist' in the Nazi sense, then you have to accept 'republic' in the communist usage. Since we're also a republic, I guess that makes republics bad, right? If you say "no", then you have to dismiss GB's argument too.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Yes you are an idiot.

You liberals have claimed the Nazis are right-wing but the TIME op-ed of the day says they are left-wing.....of course you know more than people living in that era because you are insane.

All you're doing is repeating an argument that's already been dismissed. TRY AGAIN

It has only been dismissed by the likes of you.... The fact is that these things WERE INDEED DONE...

There is nothing there equating liberals to fascist nazis.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Hitler was a ruler, not a president, bottom line.

Agreed, and historically he came to power only by abusing a weakness in the Parliamentarian model of Government. As much as I hate the Two Party System, our current mode of government does a good job of keeping complete wackadoo nut job movements relegated to the Fringes. Once you're incorporated into the Two Party system, our model of government automatically moderates your position.

There is another subtle error that is slipping into this thread though, and that is tying Economic philosophy in with Political philosophy. A government can be dictatorial and Capitalist at the same time (Take notice of China currently and why their economic boom is occurring) and it can be Democratic and Communist simultaneously.

There can be correlation. For example economic freedom tends to bring political freedom and economic control can tend to bring governmental control, but that correlation is not nearly as strong as what you're seeing people express in this thread. Part of what makes the Nazi's such an anomalous group is their uniting of Political, Economic, and Religious forces together.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Actually.. Hitler was into all sorts of zealot things, religious and non-religious.. as it was fascinating not only for the fact that something supernatural could be useful, but also in terms of how people blindly followed things such as religion as zealots.. it was all to play into his national socialist fascist control

Agreed on that. That's a fairly typical approach to controlling crowds on the Left and the Right though. A lot of that looks silly or ridiculous to us because US History is relatively young. The Germans can go back to Viking Ancestral Gods if they really want to find legendary heroes, we as a nation can only go back to really the Founders.

At some point, IIRC, Hitler actually was sending out teams to look for some fairly niche religious stuff.

that's from an indiana jones movie.

in reality, hitler was not that big into occultism.

try himmler or hess.

 

[GoneBezerk]

You are beyond repair....removing your brain for science is the last option.

All you're doing is repeating an argument that's already been dismissed. TRY AGAIN

It has only been dismissed by the likes of you.... The fact is that these things WERE INDEED DONE...

It's been dismissed because his argument is equivocation plain and simple. If you want to accept 'socialist' in the Nazi sense, then you have to accept 'republic' in the communist usage. Since we're also a republic, I guess that makes republics bad, right? If you say "no", then you have to dismiss GB's argument too.

 

[DiamondDave]

All you're doing is repeating an argument that's already been dismissed. TRY AGAIN

It has only been dismissed by the likes of you.... The fact is that these things WERE INDEED DONE...

There is nothing there equating liberals to fascist nazis.

I did not say, nor did it say all liberals are nazis...

What the actions of the nazis as fascists did show is that their ideology is based in ideals of the far left wing... in a completely totalitarian manner... it is about the state, state control, state choosing who is 'free' and who is not, state regulation, state controlled or mandated production, state confiscation, etc

If you want to equate totalitarian far right wing with the mongolian empire, you would be more accurate as it is more accurate to put the nazi empire as totalitarian far left wing

 

[konradv]

I'm waiting for one of you pieces of shit to prove TIME lied...which you can't.

We're waiting for you to prove that the article has any relevance to today's politics. Equating Soviet and Nazi "socialism" and then making a connection to liberals is just equivocation. You've essentially constructed a "have you stopped beating you wife" concoction.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

You are a piece of shit liberal that hates Christians and you go around equating Christians with Nazis because you are scum and evil.

Never said the Nazi's were Christian. I said they used Christianity and the Bible to suit their purposes when necessary, which they absolutely did. David Koresh based his stuff in some niche reading of the Bible, and no one sane equates him with Christianity.

You're seeing stuff here that just isn't here. Calm down.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Oh ok, kook....but they weren't Nazis too, eh?

Himmler was the one going around decorating Germany with pagan symbols without Hitler's permission....sounds like a HGTV and Oprah TV show.

Actually.. Hitler was into all sorts of zealot things, religious and non-religious.. as it was fascinating not only for the fact that something supernatural could be useful, but also in terms of how people blindly followed things such as religion as zealots.. it was all to play into his national socialist fascist control

Agreed on that. That's a fairly typical approach to controlling crowds on the Left and the Right though. A lot of that looks silly or ridiculous to us because US History is relatively young. The Germans can go back to Viking Ancestral Gods if they really want to find legendary heroes, we as a nation can only go back to really the Founders.

At some point, IIRC, Hitler actually was sending out teams to look for some fairly niche religious stuff.

that's from an indiana jones movie.

in reality, hitler was not that big into occultism.

try himmler or hess.

 

[DiamondDave]

Actually.. Hitler was into all sorts of zealot things, religious and non-religious.. as it was fascinating not only for the fact that something supernatural could be useful, but also in terms of how people blindly followed things such as religion as zealots.. it was all to play into his national socialist fascist control

Agreed on that. That's a fairly typical approach to controlling crowds on the Left and the Right though. A lot of that looks silly or ridiculous to us because US History is relatively young. The Germans can go back to Viking Ancestral Gods if they really want to find legendary heroes, we as a nation can only go back to really the Founders.

At some point, IIRC, Hitler actually was sending out teams to look for some fairly niche religious stuff.

that's from an indiana jones movie.

in reality, hitler was not that big into occultism.

try himmler or hess.

Watch the history channel.. Hitler was somewhat in to the occult, in as far as his interest in the control it could possibly or did bring about... His rule of the masses for state benefit was an ultimate goal, and if things occult could help in any way, he would consider it

 

[konradv]

It has only been dismissed by the likes of you.... The fact is that these things WERE INDEED DONE...

There is nothing there equating liberals to fascist nazis.

I did not say, nor did it say all liberals are nazis...

What the actions of the nazis as fascists did show is that their ideology is based in ideals of the far left wing... in a completely totalitarian manner... it is about the state, state control, state choosing who is 'free' and who is not, state regulation, state controlled or mandated production, state confiscation, etc

If you want to equate totalitarian far right wing with the mongolian empire, you would be more accurate as it is more accurate to put the nazi empire as totalitarian far left wing

Government control isn't necessarily left wing. That's where you're equivocating. The French monarchy before the Revolution was very controlling, but hardly left wing.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Sure shithead....so where did Hitler tell the German masses about the Jews being God's chosen people "from the Bible" before he sent them to the gas chambers....

You're full of shit. You are trying to taint Christians for the acts of the Nazis.

obamination claims to be a Christian yet supports killing unborn babies like a Nazi, you probably support abortion too.

You are a piece of shit liberal that hates Christians and you go around equating Christians with Nazis because you are scum and evil.

Never said the Nazi's were Christian. I said they used Christianity and the Bible to suit their purposes when necessary, which they absolutely did. David Koresh based his stuff in some niche reading of the Bible, and no one sane equates him with Christianity.

You're seeing stuff here that just isn't here. Calm down.