But, Aren't Nazis and Fascists Really Left-Wingers?

[GoneBezerk]

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

The crazy thing is you believe your own bullshit.

^^^^^^^

 

[Dr.Traveler]

The crazy thing is you believe your own bullshit.

I can't help it you're out of touch with reality. If you're really crazy enough to believe that the American Right is about small government, then good luck to you. You've become a useful idiot.

Both US Political parties are all about growing government power to accomplish their goals. Once in power they both "shrink government" when it comes to agencies or policies they disagree with, then they try as quietly as possible to grow government policies and agencies that support their agenda.

Sorry, you just don't get to have your own reality, at least not one anyone will willingly share in. The facts are the facts.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

Yes, in name, they certainly were. But they weren't actually socialist as you're trying to portray them, no matter how much you pout in the corner and shovel dogshit into your mouth.

Hey, has your parole hearing for fisting yourself in public restrooms come up yet?

I'd love to be there!

Fascism... Totalitarian control with the state as the central focus... with the state able to regulate and even control business, private property, production, and even the lives of the people in order to prop up the state over the rights of individuals within the state... that is the totalitarian left... PERIOD..

You should really stick to things you know about..

Politics isn't one of them.

 

[GoneBezerk]

Oh tell us about how ancient German pagan occult beliefs came from the Bible.

Come on asswipe....

FYI....

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

The crazy thing is you believe your own bullshit.

I can't help it you're out of touch with reality. If you're really crazy enough to believe that the American Right is about small government, then good luck to you. You've become a useful idiot.

Both US Political parties are all about growing government power to accomplish their goals. Once in power they both "shrink government" when it comes to agencies or policies they disagree with, then they try as quietly as possible to grow government policies and agencies that support their agenda.

Sorry, you just don't get to have your own reality, at least not one anyone will willingly share in. The facts are the facts.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Let's post it again until some liberal shithead can dispute TIME....

Henry Ford, The Bushes, and Lindberg all were openly supportive of the Nazi's prior to the War due the Nazi's pro-Industrial stances.

Sorry, everyone saw in Hitler what they wanted to see. But at the end of the day, Hitler was very much pro-German business. Do you know the origin of the symbol on today's BMW's?

 

[GoneBezerk]

Nazi pagan symbols....must be from the Bible, eh dumbfucks?

 

[GoneBezerk]

Asswipe...the article stated Hitler duped the capitalists.....but you're too stupid to understand that.

JFK's daddy admired hitler....even stood up for him.

Having lived in Germany, 3 times....I know more about the country than you, shithead.

Let's post it again until some liberal shithead can dispute TIME....

Henry Ford, The Bushes, and Lindberg all were openly supportive of the Nazi's prior to the War due the Nazi's pro-Industrial stances.

Sorry, everyone saw in Hitler what they wanted to see. But at the end of the day, Hitler was very much pro-German business. Do you know the origin of the symbol on today's BMW's?

 

[Foxfyre]

Both of those seem to give the state quite a bit of power; a lot like an monarchy/oligarchy or totalitarian dictatorship. Last I checked, the right is all about a smaller government. And we all know the extreme right is anarchy, which is no government at all.

You've got a few problems in your argument.

The first is you're intentionally confusing how Left and Right are used in American politics with how they are used in political theory when talking about the Political Spectrum. The American Right is just as much about big government as is the American Left, it's just the American Right is more about legislating social values and using the power of big government to empower Corporations over Unions. The American Left is typically the opposite, but also about big government.

The second, is that you've fallen into the old Name Game Trap. The Nazi's may have had the word socialist in their party title, but they were Nationalist, Pro-Military, Pro-Corporate and based a lot of their power in their niche reading of the Bible. That's pretty much a description of the Far Right in the United States to this day.

Even with that, I find it isn't constructive to even try to put the Nazi's on a scale of any kind though. As soon as you start tossing the Nazi's and comparisons to them around, you pretty much lose any argument you're trying to make via a corollary to Goodwin's Law. Not only that, no political party in the United States is even close to being as purely evil or power mad as the Nazi's. It's just not a useful thing to bring into a debate.

The Germans were pro corporation only if the owners obeyed and supported the Third Reich. And yes, Hitler used those corporations to good advantage. His advantage. Those CEO's or business owners who failed to do so sort of disappeared and new owners miraculously appeared. So Nazi Germany was about a socialist as it gets as nothing was allowed there without government sanction and approval.

It is true that many American groups attempt to use the law and/or government to effect social engineering but that is every bit as prevalent on the left as it is on the right. And each sees the other as immoral or wrongheaded in the social engineering they promote.

In Hitler's Germany there was no argument. If the Fuehrer wanted it to be legal, it was legal. If he wanted something to be illegal, it was illegal.

Those who try to compare America or Americans to Nazi Germany simply do not know their history. At the same time, to recognize the similarities of mindset or tactics used is a very wise thing to recognize.

 

[konradv]

The crazy thing is you believe your own bullshit.

Makes more sense than your bullshit. Whatever similarities Hitler and Stalin may have had, it doesn't have anything to do with our situation. If the USSR's use of the word 'Republic' doesn't mean the same thing as it does here, why should the Nazi's use of the word 'socialism'? If their use of the word proves anything, then 'nationalism' should be a dirty word too and you should be espousing One World internationalism. If not, then you're just equivocating.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Oh tell us about how ancient German pagan occult beliefs came from the Bible.

Do read up on how cults tend to form. The Cult Founder typically starts with a Niche reading of the Bible, they then disregard what they don't like in the Bible (For the Nazi's it was any reference to the Old Testament), and they then start incorporating other traditions as needed.

Hitler used his niche reading of the Bible and supplemented it with what he needed to prop up German nationalism and his Aryan beliefs. That's actually fairly common when it comes to nationalist movements. Even here in the US we sometimes elevate the Founding Fathers and Washington to fairly ridiculous biblical heights in times of craziness.

 

[GoneBezerk]

More Nazi pagan stuff.....so much for those Christian symbols....

 

[GoneBezerk]

Shithead....since you believe Nazi meetings were Bible study meetings.....strange that we don't see as many crosses like the pagan symbols. Oh, you can't explain that....

Oh tell us about how ancient German pagan occult beliefs came from the Bible.

Do read up on how cults tend to form. The Cult Founder typically starts with a Niche reading of the Bible, they then disregard what they don't like in the Bible (For the Nazi's it was any reference to the Old Testament), and they then start incorporating other traditions as needed.

Hitler used his niche reading of the Bible and supplemented it with what he needed to prop up German nationalism and his Aryan beliefs. That's actually fairly common when it comes to nationalist movements. Even here in the US we sometimes elevate the Founding Fathers and Washington to fairly ridiculous biblical heights in times of craziness.

 

[Newby]

Let's post it again until some liberal shithead can dispute TIME....

Henry Ford, The Bushes, and Lindberg all were openly supportive of the Nazi's prior to the War due the Nazi's pro-Industrial stances.

Sorry, everyone saw in Hitler what they wanted to see. But at the end of the day, Hitler was very much pro-German business. Do you know the origin of the symbol on today's BMW's?

Of course he was, as long as his regime owned them or he had his puppets in place to run them. He said a lot and did a lot in his rise to power that was not true in the end game, in other words, he lied to grab power. Is it your position that he supported free market capitalism?

 

[DiamondDave]

Oh tell us about how ancient German pagan occult beliefs came from the Bible.

Do read up on how cults tend to form. The Cult Founder typically starts with a Niche reading of the Bible, they then disregard what they don't like in the Bible (For the Nazi's it was any reference to the Old Testament), and they then start incorporating other traditions as needed.

Hitler used his niche reading of the Bible and supplemented it with what he needed to prop up German nationalism and his Aryan beliefs. That's actually fairly common when it comes to nationalist movements. Even here in the US we sometimes elevate the Founding Fathers and Washington to fairly ridiculous biblical heights in times of craziness.

Actually.. Hitler was into all sorts of zealot things, religious and non-religious.. as it was fascinating not only for the fact that something supernatural could be useful, but also in terms of how people blindly followed things such as religion as zealots.. it was all to play into his national socialist fascist control

 

[GoneBezerk]

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

The crazy thing is you believe your own bullshit.

Makes more sense than your bullshit. Whatever similarities Hitler and Stalin may have had, it doesn't have anything to do with our situation. If the USSR's use of the word 'Republic' doesn't mean the same thing as it does here, why should the Nazi's use of the word 'socialism'? If their use of the word proves anything, then 'nationalism' should be a dirty word too and you should be espousing One World internationalism. If not, then you're just equivocating.

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Of course he was, as long as his regime owned them or he had his puppets in place to run them. He said a lot and did a lot in his rise to power that was not true in the end game, in other words, he lied to grab power. Is it your position that he supported free market capitalism?

When it suited him, yes. When it didn't, he didn't. That trait is hardly unique to the Left or Right though, no matter how you define it.

 

[konradv]

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

The crazy thing is you believe your own bullshit.

Makes more sense than your bullshit. Whatever similarities Hitler and Stalin may have had, it doesn't have anything to do with OUR situation. If the USSR's use of the word 'Republic' doesn't mean the same thing as it does here, why should the Nazi's use of the word 'socialism'? If their use of the word proves anything, then 'nationalism' should be a dirty word too and you should be espousing One World internationalism. If not, then you're just equivocating.

All you're doing is repeating an argument that's already been dismissed. TRY AGAIN

 

[Newby]

The crazy thing is you believe your own bullshit.

I can't help it you're out of touch with reality. If you're really crazy enough to believe that the American Right is about small government, then good luck to you. You've become a useful idiot.

Both US Political parties are all about growing government power to accomplish their goals. Once in power they both "shrink government" when it comes to agencies or policies they disagree with, then they try as quietly as possible to grow government policies and agencies that support their agenda.

Sorry, you just don't get to have your own reality, at least not one anyone will willingly share in. The facts are the facts.

And that I can agree with you on, however that has nothing to do with the discussion really. Both parties of our government are left, most conservatives have alligned themselves with the party not quite as far to the left, the Repulicans, but that doesn't meant they're not left of center, they just have different flavors of control than the Dems do. Altho, to be fair, some republicans are truly conservative, they're just drowned out by the money grubbing, power hungry asswipes from both parties, who are unfortunately in control right now.

 

[DiamondDave]

Hitler was named "Man of the Year" in 1938 by Time Magazine. They noted Hitler's anti-capitalistic economic policies:

"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism."

(Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)

Makes more sense than your bullshit. Whatever similarities Hitler and Stalin may have had, it doesn't have anything to do with OUR situation. If the USSR's use of the word 'Republic' doesn't mean the same thing as it does here, why should the Nazi's use of the word 'socialism'? If their use of the word proves anything, then 'nationalism' should be a dirty word too and you should be espousing One World internationalism. If not, then you're just equivocating.

All you're doing is repeating an argument that's already been dismissed. TRY AGAIN

It has only been dismissed by the likes of you.... The fact is that these things WERE INDEED DONE...

 

[L.K.Eder]

Let's post it again until some liberal shithead can dispute TIME....

Henry Ford, The Bushes, and Lindberg all were openly supportive of the Nazi's prior to the War due the Nazi's pro-Industrial stances.

Sorry, everyone saw in Hitler what they wanted to see. But at the end of the day, Hitler was very much pro-German business. Do you know the origin of the symbol on today's BMW's?

what about the BMW symbol?