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Yet there are far more components of fascism contained within doctrines and practices of modern American liberalism than you can find components of libertarianism within the Third Reich.
And far more than either of them that compare to modern conservatism.
We've already spent almost 40 pages bitch slapping that myth... so I will just say, read thru the thread again.. Unless socialist and left wing stances and actions are "conservatism", you are completely wrong (again)
The OP says the Nazis were liberals. Are you that stupid?
You sure about that??
Aren't Nazism and Fascism on the far left of the political spectrum?
Evidently, you are the stupid one
The OP says the Nazis were liberals. Are you that stupid?
You sure about that??
Aren't Nazism and Fascism on the far left of the political spectrum?
Evidently, you are the stupid one
Read the thread title.
But, Aren't Nazis and Fascists Really Left-Wingers?
And far more than either of them that compare to modern conservatism.
We've already spent almost 40 pages bitch slapping that myth... so I will just say, read thru the thread again.. Unless socialist and left wing stances and actions are "conservatism", you are completely wrong (again)
So the Nazi emphasis on militarism, building up a massive army, navy, air force, etc., is liberal how exactly?
The Nazi banning of strikes by labor unions is liberal how exactly?
The Nazi persecution of homosexuals is liberal how exactly?
The Nazi ban on abortion is liberal how exactly?
See, people, this is standard practice of the intellectually bankrupt right. Start a thread, get fully debunked,
and then just plow forward as if nothing in rebuttal has even been posted.
Yet there are far more components of fascism contained within doctrines and practices of modern American liberalism than you can find components of libertarianism within the Third Reich.
And far more than either of them that compare to modern conservatism.
We've already spent almost 40 pages bitch slapping that myth... so I will just say, read thru the thread again.. Unless socialist and left wing stances and actions are "conservatism", you are completely wrong (again)
Facism:
Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state's authority, and harsh suppression of dissent.. . . .
. . . .The leaders of the fascist governments of Italy (192243), Germany (193345), and Spain (193975)Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, and Francisco Francowere portrayed to their publics as embodiments of the strength and resolve necessary to rescue their nations from political and economic chaos. Japanese fascists (193645) fostered belief in the uniqueness of the Japanese spirit and taught subordination to the state and personal sacrifice.
Fascism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
The definition of socialism has as many variances and sub plots as does liberalism, conservatism, libertarianism, Marxism, or Nazism.
Technically:
1. A political theory advocating state ownership of industry.[Wordnet]
2. An economic system based on state ownership of capital.[Wordnet]
3. A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property and labor. In popular usage, the term is often employed to indicate any lawless, revolutionary social scheme.[Websters].
Dictionary - Definition of socialism
So if you go by the strict definition, Nazi Germany was not socialist in that it did allow for private ownership of property and means of production. It WAS socialist, however as the government controlled the means of production, dictated who would be allowed to own private property, and dictated what wages and benefits the people would receive.
Whenever the U.S. government presumes to redistribute wealth, that is a socialist concept. When the government assumes the power to take the property of one person and give it to another, that is also a socialist concept and starts moving into the realm of totalitarianism.
And yet, despite exercising some of the same concepts here and there, the U.S. government is not anything like the Third Reich. At least not yet.
Yet if you did not go along with the Nazi leadership, or you were the wrong religion or sexual orientation or a gypsy or whatever else.. they would take away your private property and put it in the hands of someone else who would most times be a puppet for the regime.. and as stated, see how the Betriebsführer would ensure these so called 'private owners' (in name only) were allowed to run their businesses
The US government is not like Naziism... it is not to that extreme.. you are correct.. but we do have an ever growing shift toward more and more socialism or socialist programs thanks to this government
And far more than either of them that compare to modern conservatism.
We've already spent almost 40 pages bitch slapping that myth... so I will just say, read thru the thread again.. Unless socialist and left wing stances and actions are "conservatism", you are completely wrong (again)
So the Nazi emphasis on militarism, building up a massive army, navy, air force, etc., is liberal how exactly?
The Nazi banning of strikes by labor unions is liberal how exactly?
The Nazi persecution of homosexuals is liberal how exactly?
The Nazi ban on abortion is liberal how exactly?
See, people, this is standard practice of the intellectually bankrupt right. Start a thread, get fully debunked,
and then just plow forward as if nothing in rebuttal has even been posted.
We've already spent almost 40 pages bitch slapping that myth... so I will just say, read thru the thread again.. Unless socialist and left wing stances and actions are "conservatism", you are completely wrong (again)
So the Nazi emphasis on militarism, building up a massive army, navy, air force, etc., is liberal how exactly?
The Nazi banning of strikes by labor unions is liberal how exactly?
The Nazi persecution of homosexuals is liberal how exactly?
The Nazi ban on abortion is liberal how exactly?
See, people, this is standard practice of the intellectually bankrupt right. Start a thread, get fully debunked,
and then just plow forward as if nothing in rebuttal has even been posted.
Give me an example of one socialist or communist regime that didn't have one of the following qualities:
1. Strong military
2. Persecution of certain individuals
3. Government control over means of production
4. Government control over wages
5. Government control over supply of goods
6. Ability to seize private property & redistribute at will
7. No freedom for opposing political parties
The Nazi regime was an oligarchy.
They had near complete control over the economy (socialism; government controls means of production) and mandated for all homosexuals, Jews and any other individuals deemed undesirable to be sent to concentration camps (dictatorship).
So yes, the Nazis were socialist, intolerant dictators.
Sorry my friend, but socialists were persecuted by the nazis just like the homosexuals, Jews, liberals, etc. they had their own patch. Same can't be said for conservatives.
Yes, the National Socialist German Workers' Party persecuted socialists.
Explains why Hitler committed suicide.
I think you mean communists. In which case yes, he hated them. As well as capitalists. He hated everyone actually.
The Nazi regime was an oligarchy.
They had near complete control over the economy (socialism; government controls means of production) and mandated for all homosexuals, Jews and any other individuals deemed undesirable to be sent to concentration camps (dictatorship).
So yes, the Nazis were socialist, intolerant dictators.
Sorry my friend, but socialists were persecuted by the nazis just like the homosexuals, Jews, liberals, etc. they had their own patch. Same can't be said for conservatives.
I bet you actually thought you were making a valid point.
The Bolsheviks imprisoned and killed rival socialists. So did the Maoists. The Vietnamese communists were allied with the Khmer Rouge before they betrayed and attacked them, and fought a fratricidal, genocidal war for two decades before assimilating the Khmer Rouge communists into their party.
The National Socialists were imprisoning rivals from another socialist faction, mainly Bolshevik Russian loyalists.
Learn something. THEN post.
On 16 November 1928, in his first speech at the Berlin Sportpalast, Hitler told a crowd of ten thousand plus that, “We have to strip the terms ‘Nationalism’ and ‘Socialism’ of their previous meaning. Only that man is a nationalist who stands by his people, and only that man is a socialist who stands up for the rights of his people both internally and externally.”
But he became more specific yet in response to internal divisions within the NSDAP. It turns out Hitler himself pointed out the flaw in Republican thinking in a May 1930 meeting of the party leadership in Munich. As author Thomas Friedrich wrote, “Hitler…left his listeners in no doubt about what he did not mean by ‘National Socialism.’”
This is what Hitler said National Socialism was not:
It was not, “a universal morality of pity but a master race” – in other words, Hitler did not see his socialism as Republicans today see socialism, but rather as a form of German Exceptionalism (the Nazis called it a “National Community”which can be equated with the GOP’s version of American Exceptionalism.
National socialism, Hitler said, “did not lie in socialism as a universal panacea nor was it a nationalist variant of that idea.” Republicans, of course, are fond of accusing socialism (and liberalism) as advocating a universal panacea. Indeed, it is all we are hearing leading up to Election Day 2012.
In fact, on 26 January 1932, Hitler would even address the Industry Club, Friedrich writes, “and tried to assure them that they had nothing to fear from his party’s economic policies.” In his two-and-a-half-hour speech he gave a very Social Darwinist, Republican justification for capitalism and private wealth, that those who have wealth have it because they deserve it and because they deserve it they’re better than everybody else:
I am bound to say that private property can be morally and ethically justified only if I admit that men’s achievements are different. Only on that basis can I assert since men’s achievements are different, the results of those achievements are also different. But if the results of those achievements are different, then it is reasonable to leave to men the administration of those results to a corresponding degree. It would not be logical to entrust the administration of the result of an achievement which was bound up with a personality either to the next best but less capable person or to a community which, through the mere fact that it had not performed the achievement, has proved that it is not capable of administering the result of that achievement. Thus it must be admitted that in the economic sphere, from the start, in all branches men are not of equal value or of equal importance. And once this is admitted it is madness to say: in the economic sphere there are undoubtedly differences in value, but that is not true in the political sphere.
In another speech to German industrialists a year later, on 20 February 1933, Hitler again sounds a great deal like a Republican of 2012, espousing false dilemmas and delegitimizing all but his own party:
No two ideologies can continuously live alongside one another. in such struggles the strength of a people eats itself completely up internally and therefore cannot act externally. It does not rest. This condition of attrition lasts until one party emerges victorious or the state itself dissolves, whereby a people loses its place in history.
Nazi Germany persecution of socialism had NOTHING to do with eradicating pesky same ideology rivals. Socialism and National Socialism were diametrically opposed.
History is on my side, and a little bit of reading into the persecutions committed by Nazi Germany would reveal that to you.
But you're too fucking ignorant, and you want to KEEP being ignorant.
Nope.
Actually, Nazis were fanatical right wing Christians.
You miss the whole holocaust thing?
I'm always suprised by how long these hitler threads get....
I would urge anyone who honestly believes hitler was a socialist, or that facism is the extreme left, to please take a history class at your local community college.
