Can anyone tell me anything positive about this proposed 2 trillion dollar infrastructure deal?

[Norman]

The infrastructure we really need is securing the border. Before the border being secured there should be no talk of any other infra-structure. A necessity for a nation.

 

[iceberg]

Even if you give this thing the benefit of the doubt and assumed zero pork, it still looks like a 2 trillion dollar pile of who gives a f***. We might as well purchase 2 trillion dollars worth of carnival prizes. Who gives a shit about anything listed there and why should we add 2 trillion dollars to either taxes or debt?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/INFRASTRUCTURE-211.pdf

don't see a whole lot in it to explain the cost per section. $20bil for transformative projects? all seems pretty vague at this point so i'll wait til more is known but yea, getting tired of the spending spree and hoped trump would curb that. he came in strong against boeing and then spent like a drunken sailor.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

We must as a national security issue update and secure our grid and Ethernet...it was all ignored by the Magic Kenyan....half of this money are dollars we should have been spending on infrastructure during Obama's 8 years.....he fucked us and didn't spend the dollars for what it was intended....remember?...he put Joe in charge...so someone ask Joe Biden what they did with the stimulus money....I'd love to hear his answer....

More waaaah waaaaah It's Obama's fault bullshit from the can I goose Trump gallery.

Actually it is the voter fault for voting politicians in that do not do anything but get their fifteen minutes of fame for book deals and speaking gigs.

From Local to Federal Government there is too much waste and failure and the buck stop with the damn voter!

 

[iceberg]

Even if you give this thing the benefit of the doubt and assumed zero pork, it still looks like a 2 trillion dollar pile of who gives a f***. We might as well purchase 2 trillion dollars worth of carnival prizes. Who gives a shit about anything listed there and why should we add 2 trillion dollars to either taxes or debt?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/INFRASTRUCTURE-211.pdf

They're not going to fix the roads or the bridges?

i would have to hope that's a subset somewhere. our electrical grid and roadways system needs some serious modernizing.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Even if you give this thing the benefit of the doubt and assumed zero pork, it still looks like a 2 trillion dollar pile of who gives a f***. We might as well purchase 2 trillion dollars worth of carnival prizes. Who gives a shit about anything listed there and why should we add 2 trillion dollars to either taxes or debt?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/INFRASTRUCTURE-211.pdf

don't see a whole lot in it to explain the cost per section. $20bil for transformative projects? all seems pretty vague at this point so i'll wait til more is known but yea, getting tired of the spending spree and hoped trump would curb that. he came in strong against boeing and then spent like a drunken sailor.

Spending on infrastructure was a major campaign topic...should not be surprised he is doing it


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[kyzr]

Even if you give this thing the benefit of the doubt and assumed zero pork, it still looks like a 2 trillion dollar pile of who gives a f***. We might as well purchase 2 trillion dollars worth of carnival prizes. Who gives a shit about anything listed there and why should we add 2 trillion dollars to either taxes or debt?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/INFRASTRUCTURE-211.pdf

They're not going to fix the roads or the bridges?

i would have to hope that's a subset somewhere. our electrical grid and roadways system needs some serious modernizing.

The electric grid is owned by utilities, I don't think we can subsidize utilities. Maybe ensuring that all electric grids are "hack proof" or implementing the "smart grid" would be possible?
What is the Smart Grid?

 

[iceberg]

Even if you give this thing the benefit of the doubt and assumed zero pork, it still looks like a 2 trillion dollar pile of who gives a f***. We might as well purchase 2 trillion dollars worth of carnival prizes. Who gives a shit about anything listed there and why should we add 2 trillion dollars to either taxes or debt?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/INFRASTRUCTURE-211.pdf

They're not going to fix the roads or the bridges?

i would have to hope that's a subset somewhere. our electrical grid and roadways system needs some serious modernizing.

The electric grid is owned by utilities, I don't think we can subsidize utilities. Maybe ensuring that all electric grids are "hack proof" or implementing the "smart grid" would be possible?
What is the Smart Grid?

we seem to get into so much these days it's hard to tell where lines are anymore. but good point and i'll research that while digging.

 

[Pilot1]

The Democrats want to use it to pay back, and incentivize UNIONS to continue voting for them. It is just a money laundering scheme to use taxpayer dollars to buy votes.

 

[caddo kid]

Even if you give this thing the benefit of the doubt and assumed zero pork, it still looks like a 2 trillion dollar pile of who gives a f***. We might as well purchase 2 trillion dollars worth of carnival prizes. Who gives a shit about anything listed there and why should we add 2 trillion dollars to either taxes or debt?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/INFRASTRUCTURE-211.pdf

America used to make a lot of shit that other folks around the world wanted aka goods.

AmeriKKKa no longer makes shit that others around the world want; everyone now wants cheap shit made in China.

Now, AmeriKKKa is really GREAT at making DEBT, which no one seems to want but no one is really bitching about it either, although the Republicans used to bitch about debt.

So, we are GREAT at making debt so, why not add $2 TRILLION more to the credit card that the kids, the grand kids, the great grand kids, etc. will have to reckon with, one day? ...............

 

[progressive hunter]

Even if you give this thing the benefit of the doubt and assumed zero pork, it still looks like a 2 trillion dollar pile of who gives a f***. We might as well purchase 2 trillion dollars worth of carnival prizes. Who gives a shit about anything listed there and why should we add 2 trillion dollars to either taxes or debt?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/INFRASTRUCTURE-211.pdf

well I am positive it will never get paid for in 3 lifetimes,,,

I am positive that the republicans are the same as democrats and trying to bankrupt the country,,,

 

[kyzr]

The Democrats want to use it to pay back, and incentivize UNIONS to continue voting for them. It is just a money laundering scheme to use taxpayer dollars to buy votes.

True, but Trump has many union supporters. Remember when the dems stopped all pipeline work? Also, remember when Obama said "those manufacturing jobs are not coming back?" Trump delivers good jobs for unions, the dems' talk a good game, but their record is poor trade deals, and letting jobs get outsourced.

 

[Moonglow]

The Democrats want to use it to pay back, and incentivize UNIONS to continue voting for them. It is just a money laundering scheme to use taxpayer dollars to buy votes.

This proposal is from the Trump administration..

 

[progressive hunter]

im not a supporter at all I dont even know whats in it either
BUT I WOULD HOPE they would use the money to actually fix bridges and roads n tunnels ...at the least


hope and government never really mix to well anyway

its kinda like an oreo dunking a cookie




WACIST!!!!

not their job to fix bridges,,,thats a state issue

 

[Moonglow]

Hey, increased Pell grants for education...Free education from Trump the socialist.

 

[Moonglow]

im not a supporter at all I dont even know whats in it either
BUT I WOULD HOPE they would use the money to actually fix bridges and roads n tunnels ...at the least


hope and government never really mix to well anyway

its kinda like an oreo dunking a cookie




WACIST!!!!

not their job to fix bridges,,,thats a state issue

Untrue as the system build by the feds to imitate the nazis was called the interstate system.

 

[kyzr]

Even if you give this thing the benefit of the doubt and assumed zero pork, it still looks like a 2 trillion dollar pile of who gives a f***. We might as well purchase 2 trillion dollars worth of carnival prizes. Who gives a shit about anything listed there and why should we add 2 trillion dollars to either taxes or debt?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/INFRASTRUCTURE-211.pdf

America used to make a lot of shit that other folks around the world wanted aka goods.

AmeriKKKa no longer makes shit that others around the world want; everyone now wants cheap shit made in China.

Now, AmeriKKKa is really GREAT at making DEBT, which no one seems to want but no one is really bitching about it either, although the Republicans used to bitch about debt.

So, we are GREAT at making debt so, why not add $2 TRILLION more to the credit card that the kids, the grand kids, the great grand kids, etc. will have to reckon with, one day? ...............

I'm hoping that the infrastructure funding can be used to get the US finances in order. I'd like to see the gas tax raised, the top tax rate raised, a remittance tax on funds sent out of the US, a transaction tax on stocks, a new Federal sales tax, and to implement the fixes for SS & Medicare. That should more than pay for everything.

 

[progressive hunter]

im not a supporter at all I dont even know whats in it either
BUT I WOULD HOPE they would use the money to actually fix bridges and roads n tunnels ...at the least


hope and government never really mix to well anyway

its kinda like an oreo dunking a cookie




WACIST!!!!

not their job to fix bridges,,,thats a state issue

Untrue as the system build by the feds to imitate the nazis was called the interstate system.

wasnt talking about the interstates,,,they want county and state roads and bridges fixed

but they did turn over the interstates to state control after they were built and the tax money that was supposed to go to maintenance was wasted

 

[kyzr]

Hey, increased Pell grants for education...Free education from Trump the socialist.

Free community college to learn lucrative job skills. Not a worthless "art history" degree, where you owe $100,000 in student loans. Also, I support that the university endowments need to be used to pay back student loans that default.

 

[Oddball]

Even if you give this thing the benefit of the doubt and assumed zero pork, it still looks like a 2 trillion dollar pile of who gives a f***. We might as well purchase 2 trillion dollars worth of carnival prizes. Who gives a shit about anything listed there and why should we add 2 trillion dollars to either taxes or debt?

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/INFRASTRUCTURE-211.pdf

It will like the pockets of an army of bureaucrats....That's good news for them, the rest of us not so much.

 

[Oddball]

Here is a good example how the Infrastructure funding could be leveraged to provide a long term revolving fund to address critical needs, such as sewer, water, bridge, airport, flood control, railroad, tunnels, and other types of projects, such as urban renewal. The funds are NOT all grants, but a combination of grants and loans to make the projects viable.
https://www.pennvest.pa.gov/SiteCol...ive_Docs/PENNVEST_2016-2017_Annual_Report.pdf

Similarly, there is another option for funding such as "Public-Private-Partnership" where a conglomerate/team of businesses can bid on a project, complete the project, and then sell/lease the project to the government who pays an annual "mortgage" to buy the project from the PPP team. The government saves money by paying a smaller mortgage rather than a big bill for the whole project.

Funding for the infrastructure $2T needs to be via a gas tax, and by raising the top tax rate. I support new taxes, such as a transaction tax on stock sales, a remittance tax on money sent out of the US, and lastly, if needed to balance the Budget, a 3% Federal sales tax. Then they need to use the "fixes" to save Medicare and SS. That should put the US on a fantastic track going forward.

Also, about 20% of the highway trust fund (monies that are supposed to go for roads and bridges) is hijacked to pay for money-sucking urban mass transit choo-choos, that almost nobody but bums ride.