Can Obama Honestly Say America Is Better Off Under Him Than Bush?

[FJO]

Can Obama say things are better now because of him?

I got tired of working on the list, but here are a few , I say no he has not made things better for America ......

1 - Fast and Furious - Operation Gun Runner, sent over 2000 weapons to Mexico, and resulted in the death of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry on December 14, 2010
2 - Stonewalled the investigation on Fast and Furious, ignored 22 subpoenas requesting documents for the congressional investigation.
3 - G.E sending 36000 Jobs Overseas, paid NO taxes in 2010, received $3.2 billion tax credit (Obama handpicked G.E. CEO to head his Jobs Committee)
4 - Approved $535 million Solyndra loan, a company who went bankrupt after 1 year.
5 - Lightsquared, the attempt to endanger the Air Traffic Control system for the benefit of his political contributors.
6 - Increased our deficit over 40% in 2/12 years
7 - The harassment of Gibson Guitars, sending the DOJ to confiscate their working inventory because the CEO was a Republican supporter and moved production to a non union environment.
8 - Oil Drilling Moratoriums, preventing oil drilling in the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and Gulf of Mexico to at least until 2017.
9 - Soaring FOOD and Gas Prices
10 - The Downgrade of America's credit rating ( 1st time in American history)
11 - 1st time in American history over 42 MILLION Americans are living in poverty
12 - Never passed a BUDGET ( First time in 34 YEARS)
13 - America drops to 5th place in GLOBAL COMPETITIVENESS
14 - Over 400,000 small businesses closing every year under Obama
15 - Our Debt has increased $4,247,000,000,000 in just 945 days! . (That's the fastest increase under any president ever!)
16 - Fed Suing States and States suing Feds
17 - Pressured Retired General Shelton to ALTER his testimony in the Lightsquared investigation (see #4)
18 - Enabled the Largest number of Home Foreclosures in history
19 - Turned America into the LARGEST FOOD STAMP NATION, 1 in 7 Americans now on food stamps.
20 - Start another War WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL
21 - Forced a Trillion dollar disaster down our throats called Obamacare WITHOUT EVEN READING THE BILL
22 - Created OVER 25 million UNEMPLOYED
23 - Appoint a TAX CHEAT for Sec. of the TREASURY!
24 - Appoint over 34 UN-ELECTED CZARS, bypassing congressional approval process.
25 - Eric Holder turns a blind eye to voter intimidation by the Black Panthers then justifies with racial comments
26 - Eric Holder pardons Mark Rich! (indicted on charges of tax evasion and illegal trading with Iran.)
27 - 1st President to allow Lawsuits Against the States He Swore an Oath to Protect
28 - 1st President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space
29 - 1st President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory (Boeing)
30 - 1st President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to Bid on Government Contracts
31 - 1st President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
32 - 1st President in American history with a Socialist/Markist radical anti American past to get elected with the help of ACORN and the Black Panthers.
33 - 1st President in American History to deface the American flag by placing his own picture on it, Google "obama-american-flag-veterans/2012/03/14/id/432541"
34 - Blocks congressional investigation of solyndra $$$ scandal.
35 - 1st President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the U.S. Flag.
36 - 1st President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places
37 - Signed NDAA, and trashed the bill of rights.
38 - TSA harassment of the flying public including harassment of John Tyner and strip searches of elderly women.
39 - Continuing censorship, cyber attacks and obstruction of wiki leaks
40 - Allows Black Panthers to place a $10K bounty on a US citizen without any proof of guilt, and supports the supposed victim's family based on race only.
41 - GDP rose 4.2 % is last 3 years, but new US Debt rose 60%
42 - 302,000 new homes were sold in 2011, 6.2% below 2010 and the lowest number of annual sales since the government started tracking home sales in 1963
43 - Bypassed congressional approval to donate $1.5 Billion Tax Dollars to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt to promote Shari Law there.


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I could add reason #44: Blame America First.

Listen to the timeless wisdom of Jeane Kirkpatrick. Where is she now that America needs her?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv8L-cuq17s]'Blame America First' - Jeane Kirkpatrick's 1984 GOP Convention Speech - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Katzndogz]

obama campaigns against Romney by video clips of obama saying how bad Romney is. Romney campaigns against obama by video clips of obama saying how bad obama is.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Bingo!
Sorry my conservative friends...but fair is fair.
This is not a party problem.
This is a magnificent storm that has been brewing thru the past 5 Presidents, a house and Senate that has been controlled by both parties thru this period also.

Our government is corrupt. Greenspan, Summers and Rueban engineered a brilliant plan that did two things - literally handed the fruits of labor into the hands of large banks, and setup a system which provided free taxpayer money to these same financial institutions to invest and profit from. And when that wasn't enough they came up with 401k funds to plunder as well. This all happened during 5 Presidents.
And one of them - Larry Summers, is Obama's chief advisor.
End of story.

Sorry to disappoint, my non-conservative friend, but there are many here that would agree with what you just posted. Obama is the icing on the cake.

Umm...yeah. I am more conservative than you I assure you.
As in true conservative.
Both parties screwed us over...and Obama is continuing to do so now..he has given dutiful compliance with the big banks every bit as much as the previous 4 Presidents before him.
i will be voting for Romney, but not because I think he will save anything. Rather to get rid of this administration so at least the ruination of this country might at least slow down.

I suppose we could go on and entertain many about which of us might be more conservative. I don't think that is necessary. I, too, will be voting for the best of evil options in order to unseat the current regime.

 

[The T]

obama campaigns against Romney by video clips of obama saying how bad Romney is. Romney campaigns against obama by video clips of obama saying how bad obama is.

Which do you belive?

Who do ya TRUST?


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvCQ8XgfMvM]Hubba Hubba Hubba who do you trust (2) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Can Obama Honestly Say America Is Better Off Under Him Than Bush?

May 6, 2012

All Private Sector Jobs
Recovered​

"As of April, there are now more private sector jobs in the United States than there were in January 2009, when President Obama took office. We have now replaced all of the private sector jobs lost while Obama has been president."

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[Gremlin-USA]

Hubba Hubba Hubba who do you trust (2) - YouTube

Wow, that Reminds me of Obama promising free money and favors for votes......


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[The T]

Hubba Hubba Hubba who do you trust (2) - YouTube

Wow, that Reminds me of Obama promising free money and favors for votes......


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Precisely.

The weak minded will fall for Obama's tactic(s).

 

[candycorn]

How much has the value of your home gone up since Obama was sworn in?

How much has your pay increased?

How much less do you have to pay for everything?

How many of you ether lost your job in the last 4 years and got a better job?

How many of you feel that your future is better as long as Obama or the Dems are in charge?

Things were bad the last year under Bush but it can't be all put at his feet. If that's the case than everything that's going wrong or right in the economy today is Obama's fault.....which is impossible.

If you think the economy is doing swell then why is it your home isn't worth as much as it used to be worth. Why is it so hard to find a qualified buyer willing to give you fair market value for your home. Why are so many homeowners holding mortgages that are "Underwater". Why did Obama float a program to solve this problem....then promptly drop it to start the GOP War on Women?

How much has your pay increased under Obama. How much has your grocery bill gone up. How much has your utility bill gone up. How much has your phone bill, your cable bill, your internet bill gone up?

How much has the price of gas gone up since Obama took the White House. The price when he took over was $1.80.......it's now $4.00 in states like CA, NY, NJ, FL, AK, HI,......

Be honest. Is the dollar worth as much as it used to be worth?

I've gotten 2 promotions. The condo is getting paid off. Pay has increased in my case. Phone bill has gone down but that was because of choices I made (I didn't need two phones)....

The economy has stabilized according to some on this board.

True the price of gasoline has gone up. It went up a lot under Bush as well and before him, it likely went up under Clinton too. Supply and Demand. Obama has not done all he can to keep the price down sadly.

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=&city3=&crude=n&tme=96&units=us

A huge mistake of his Presidency has been to ram through Healthcare instead of using the first 18 months to make an immediate difference in the lives of Americans.

In all, things are getting better (or more stabilized if you prefer). With our country enveloped in two wars, no exit strategy or even a willingness to exit in some cases back in 08, I think we're in a better place overall; not as good as we could have been however. Not by a long shot.

 

[Gremlin-USA]

How much has the value of your home gone up since Obama was sworn in? Gone down 28%

How much has your pay increased? Dropped 40%

How much less do you have to pay for everything? Everything is more Expensive

How many of you ether lost your job in the last 4 years and got a better job? I know 6 friends who lost thier jobs and had to take less paying jobs

How many of you feel that your future is better as long as Obama or the Dems are in charge? better? , you must be kidding

Things were bad the last year under Bush but it can't be all put at his feet. If that's the case than everything that's going wrong or right in the economy today is Obama's fault.....which is impossible.

If you think the economy is doing swell then why is it your home isn't worth as much as it used to be worth. Why is it so hard to find a qualified buyer willing to give you fair market value for your home. Why are so many homeowners holding mortgages that are "Underwater". Why did Obama float a program to solve this problem....then promptly drop it to start the GOP War on Women?

How much has your pay increased under Obama. How much has your grocery bill gone up. How much has your utility bill gone up. How much has your phone bill, your cable bill, your internet bill gone up? Gone up 10 to 20% , food has been the highest

How much has the price of gas gone up since Obama took the White House. The price when he took over was $1.80.......it's now $4.00 in states like CA, NY, NJ, FL, AK, HI,......

Be honest. Is the dollar worth as much as it used to be worth?

I've gotten 2 promotions. The condo is getting paid off. Pay has increased in my case. Phone bill has gone down but that was because of choices I made (I didn't need two phones).... You are one of 100 I have heard of that have had things Improve

The economy has stabilized according to some on this board. Stabilized, I guess you could say that, if it got any worse we would soon be called a 3rd world nation

True the price of gasoline has gone up. It went up a lot under Bush as well and before him, it likely went up under Clinton too. Supply and Demand. Obama has not done all he can to keep the price down sadly.

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=&city3=&crude=n&tme=96&units=us

A huge mistake of his Presidency has been to ram through Healthcare instead of using the first 18 months to make an immediate difference in the lives of Americans.

In all, things are getting better (or more stabilized if you prefer). With our country enveloped in two wars, no exit strategy or even a willingness to exit in some cases back in 08, I think we're in a better place overall; not as good as we could have been however. Not by a long shot.

Obama did not exit near as fast as he promised either, from what I hear we still may be involved in Afghanistan till 2017


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[Mac1958]

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This whole thread is based on a false equivalency. It's impossible to directly compare any two presidencies because conditions are constantly changing in virtually every area, especially since the world is more and more connected every single day. Plus, each President has to deal with the actions and conditions left by the prior President.

For example, Bush entered office with (relative) peace internationally and an economy that was beginning to cycle down after the dot com expansion. Nothing about that economy was particularly unique or historic in nature. 9/11 clearly had a significant effect, but it was not threatening international markets.

Obama entered office with both domestic and international financial markets in literal meltdown, and anyone who knew squat about the situation was quite aware that unwinding the disaster would take a very long time, just as it took to create. He was also handed not one, but two horrific, expensive wars that had our military so symbiotically connected with those "governments" that extricating ourselves from the shit hole Bush left us would prove to be problematic. I think Obama should have pulled out of Bush's mess more quickly, but I suspect he wouldn't return my phone calls if I tried to offer my sage advice.

The only reason to compare two presidencies, any two presidencies, like this is to make a simplistic, transparent partisan point. That's about it.

False equivalency. Apples and oranges. Bullshit partisan hubris. But I suspect everyone knows that.

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[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Bush crashed the economy not Obama.

the lie wont fly anymore

The economy is actually worse off now than when Obama first took offic, all you need to do is look at the underemployment numbers during this administration to see that Americans are no longer earning what they once were . . . . if they are able to find a job at all.

A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don't fully use their skills and knowledge.

Young adults with bachelor's degrees are increasingly scraping by in lower-wage jobs — waiter or waitress, bartender, retail clerk or receptionist, for example — and that's confounding their hopes a degree would pay off despite higher tuition and mounting student loans.

1 in 2 new graduates jobless or underemployed - College Confidential

 

[Katzndogz]

If obama could honestly say that people were better off under this regime than Bush, wouldn't he have done that by now? His entire campaign is "You are worse off with me than you were before, but with Romney you'll be even worse off than you are now.

 

[mudwhistle]

How much has the value of your home gone up since Obama was sworn in?

How much has your pay increased?

How much less do you have to pay for everything?

How many of you ether lost your job in the last 4 years and got a better job?

How many of you feel that your future is better as long as Obama or the Dems are in charge?

Things were bad the last year under Bush but it can't be all put at his feet. If that's the case than everything that's going wrong or right in the economy today is Obama's fault.....which is impossible.

If you think the economy is doing swell then why is it your home isn't worth as much as it used to be worth. Why is it so hard to find a qualified buyer willing to give you fair market value for your home. Why are so many homeowners holding mortgages that are "Underwater". Why did Obama float a program to solve this problem....then promptly drop it to start the GOP War on Women?

How much has your pay increased under Obama. How much has your grocery bill gone up. How much has your utility bill gone up. How much has your phone bill, your cable bill, your internet bill gone up?

How much has the price of gas gone up since Obama took the White House. The price when he took over was $1.80.......it's now $4.00 in states like CA, NY, NJ, FL, AK, HI,......

Be honest. Is the dollar worth as much as it used to be worth?

I've gotten 2 promotions. The condo is getting paid off. Pay has increased in my case. Phone bill has gone down but that was because of choices I made (I didn't need two phones)....

The economy has stabilized according to some on this board.

True the price of gasoline has gone up. It went up a lot under Bush as well and before him, it likely went up under Clinton too. Supply and Demand. Obama has not done all he can to keep the price down sadly.

http://www.GasBuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?city1=USA Average&city2=&city3=&crude=n&tme=96&units=us

A huge mistake of his Presidency has been to ram through Healthcare instead of using the first 18 months to make an immediate difference in the lives of Americans.

In all, things are getting better (or more stabilized if you prefer). With our country enveloped in two wars, no exit strategy or even a willingness to exit in some cases back in 08, I think we're in a better place overall; not as good as we could have been however. Not by a long shot.

You're right. Obama should have dealt with everything he's whining about this year, but instead he wanted to force healthcare down our throats. When he had the chance to deal with what he considers important he chose not to. What's gonna force him to ever deal with these issues once he can be "more flexible"?

We've already seen the best he has to offer. I contend that the worst is yet to come once he decides he doesn't have to care what we think.

 

[The T]

Bush crashed the economy not Obama.

the lie wont fly anymore

The economy is actually worse off now than when Obama first took offic, all you need to do is look at the underemployment numbers during this administration to see that Americans are no longer earning what they once were . . . . if they are able to find a job at all.

A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don't fully use their skills and knowledge.

Young adults with bachelor's degrees are increasingly scraping by in lower-wage jobs — waiter or waitress, bartender, retail clerk or receptionist, for example — and that's confounding their hopes a degree would pay off despite higher tuition and mounting student loans.

1 in 2 new graduates jobless or underemployed - College Confidential

More fodder:

Reuters: April Hiring Slows, Jobless Rate Falls to 8.1 Percent

ZeroHedge: People Not In Labor Force Soar By 522,000, Labor Force
Participation Rate Lowest Since 1981

Breitbart.com: 29.7 Million Seek Work

MSNBC: A Teen With a Job Becomes a Rarity in US

IBD: Labor Force Shrinks As Jobless Swell Disability Ranks

AP: A Modest Economy Seems to be Keeping Lid on Hiring

AEI: The Awful April Jobs Report: Is the ‘Real’ Unemployment Rate 11.1%? - James Pethokoukis

Washington Post: Biden Predicts Economy Will Create Up to 500,000 Jobs a Month Soon - 04.23.10

AP: US Worker Output Fell in Q1 by Most in a Year

 

[The T]

If obama could honestly say that people were better off under this regime than Bush, wouldn't he have done that by now? His entire campaign is "You are worse off with me than you were before, but with Romney you'll be even worse off than you are now.

Obama has ZERO on Romney. All there is to it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Can Obama Honestly Say America Is Better Off Under Him Than Bush?

Considering the fact Obama didn’t start two illegal wars and turn a budget surplus into a deficit, yes. The Nation is also better off with Bush gone and not making more dreadful judicial appointments, particularly to the Supreme Court.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Could Bush say that america was better off under him than under Clinton?

We are still going downhill. It does not matter which party occupies the WH.

Oh, it matters. Clinton was a Democrat. They economy is much improved under Obama. But the damage to this country after 8 years under Bush will take more than a measly 3 years to fix. Considering the enormous debt left by Bush, I suspect it will take decades.

Worse, Republicans have publicly stated they would do everything they could to bring down this president.

Worst, the true cost of the Iraq war has barely begun. How much do you think it will cost this country to take care of tens of thousands of Americans maimed in Iraq? Republicans would just "let them die". Democrats will make sure they get the care they deserve. No one could possibly believe a party that wants to cut day care and lies a country into war would take care of returning American servicemen. It's not possible.

Obama is leaving a greater debt than Bush, considering the 2009 Stimulus bill alone was $787 Billion and the war in Iraq costs taxpayers $820 Billion during a 7 year span. Add to that price tag, Cash for Clunkers, Cash for Appliances, the forclosure bailouts, unemployment extensions while Obama picks which companies to succeed (closing shut the Keystone pipeline, and pushing regulations to burden the coal industry towards the path of bankrupcy), the blank check to keep Fannie and Freddie afloat, the millions lost through Green failures like Solyndra, the incentives to GM for the Volt (which hasn't taking off in the consumer market, making only 1/3 of it's original production goals). Shall I go on? As far as your reference to Republicans and our veterens, rather its the Democrats under Obama apparently who are playing with their Health benefits.

In a moving speech, President Obama spoke of sacrifice and struggle, reminding his audience that new veterans would not be abandoned like the Vietnam generation. “That's a mistake that we must never repeat,” he stated. Meanwhile, a series of policy actions contradict these statements, exposing government intentions to unnecessarily sacrifice the military community at the altar of budget cuts.

The first betrayal of trust involves outrageous increases to TRICARE, the health insurance benefit program for active and retired military personnel. A proposed “tiered increase” in annual payments would dramatically raise rates from 30% to 78% for the first year, and 94% to 345% after five years. In addition, new annual fees, increased prescription co-payments and the elimination of generic drug incentives would render TRICARE virtually useless. Some benefits would also become “means-tested” and therefore categorized as a welfare system, not a benefit. The price hikes would affect 1.5 million active-duty service members, 21.8 million veterans, and their families.

Tenured veterans and activists see the move as blatant betrayal. The Military Officers Association of America calls the proposed changes a “breach of faith.” VFW leader Richard DeNoyer, a Vietnam combat veteran and retired Marine, issued the following statement, “there is no military personnel issue more sacrosanct than pay and benefits. Messing with military pay and benefits is a clear signal to the troops and their families that the budget is more important than people.

White House sacrifices military community for budget cuts | Washington Times Communities

 

[Katzndogz]

This is a better way to put it, obama is leaving more of a bad debt than Bush. Bush had 911, two wars and Katrina, obama has nothing but what he made up. He took two wars that we were winning and turned them both into humiliatig defeat. He had the BP oil spill which he used as a weapon to inflict even MORE damage after the spill than the spill did.

Notice how he doesn't bring up his leadership after the BP spill. He can't. It would open up everything he did to make things worse.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

people with money in the stock market under bush who kept in there are sure happier now. Same with people who invested pre-clinton and kept throughout clintons term

As long as those who invested their personal income for their retirement didn't invest their retirement portfolios into GM, Obama made sure they got screwed . . . giving them only pennies on the dollar. How many of them I wonder must now try to look for a job, rather than enjoy the remaider of their years spending it with their familes? Obama took away their hopes and left them with change.

 

[mudwhistle]

The economy is actually worse off now than when Obama first took offic, all you need to do is look at the underemployment numbers during this administration to see that Americans are no longer earning what they once were . . . . if they are able to find a job at all.

A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don't fully use their skills and knowledge.

Young adults with bachelor's degrees are increasingly scraping by in lower-wage jobs — waiter or waitress, bartender, retail clerk or receptionist, for example — and that's confounding their hopes a degree would pay off despite higher tuition and mounting student loans.

1 in 2 new graduates jobless or underemployed - College Confidential

More fodder:

Reuters: April Hiring Slows, Jobless Rate Falls to 8.1 Percent

ZeroHedge: People Not In Labor Force Soar By 522,000, Labor Force
Participation Rate Lowest Since 1981

Breitbart.com: 29.7 Million Seek Work

MSNBC: A Teen With a Job Becomes a Rarity in US

IBD: Labor Force Shrinks As Jobless Swell Disability Ranks

AP: A Modest Economy Seems to be Keeping Lid on Hiring

AEI: The Awful April Jobs Report: Is the ‘Real’ Unemployment Rate 11.1%? - James Pethokoukis

Washington Post: Biden Predicts Economy Will Create Up to 500,000 Jobs a Month Soon - 04.23.10

AP: US Worker Output Fell in Q1 by Most in a Year

Don't post too much at one time.

They can't maintain their attention long enough to absorb it all.

Just give em a couple of bits of information at a time.