Can You Recognize Nazi Economic Policies?

[PoliticalChic]

chic Karl Marx DIED in 1883--------he was an ALLY of ADOLF--------are you ok
this morning?

What is written is "Stalin and Hitler were allies until June 21st, 1941." PC refers to Marxism in the previous sentence and never claims an alliance between the three men. Please look at the punctuation.

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the punctuation issue changes very little-------KARL MARX was an economist----just as DARWIN was a biologist------neither described TOTOLITARIAN DICTATORSHIP AND GENOCIDE

Genocide?

1. "Early socialists publicly advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981


b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.




2. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." November 27, 1925.

SO----what have you accomplished CHIC? You have argued FOR my contention that COMMUNISM AND NAZISM ***MEET**** at the international dateline,.
You have argued FOR my contention that the terms LEFT RIGHT-----have
no real meaning, Your little propagandaist BS is----simply ATTRIBUTE everything that seems "negative" to you-----to "LEFT" and "truth, justice, and the American way"----to RIGHT (aka ---in your mind CONSERVATIVE)

Here are a few home truths that you need to know. The power elite have not had a better ally than the Fabian socialist left and that is a fact. The women's movement of the 1970's was sponsored and financed by the Rockefeller Foundation. The leftist counter-culture movement of the 60's was also sponsored by the Rockefellers with help from the Tavistock Institute and the CIA because they used the "hippies" as controlled opposition to the military industrial complex's war in Vietnam War. It was "So you are against the Vietnam War? Well you have just aligned yourself with the draft card burning hippies". Then right on the heel of that, the Club of Rome, an offshoot of the U.N came up with their "zero growth" agenda that the Fabian socialists jumped on board with and all about protecting "Mother Earth" that killed decent paying blue collar jobs by implementing environmental laws that made it almost impossible for a company to have a profitable business. Yeah, I can safely say that the Fabian socialists have been an excellent pawn for the banking oligarchs. I could give a 5 hour seminar on what I know and barely scratch the surface on what has been done to us....but I doubt that you have the mental capacity to wrap your pea-brain around it....cognitive dissonance runs deep for those like you.

I like this one a lot!!!

Many good people have been trained to turn a blind eye to the growth and strength of the Left.


And many simply ignore the lies, and refuse to accept the truth.
... an example of what Aquinas called 'ignorantia affectata - a cultivated ignorance'.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Genocide?

1. "Early socialists publicly advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

a. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981


b. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.




2. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." November 27, 1925.

SO----what have you accomplished CHIC? You have argued FOR my contention that COMMUNISM AND NAZISM ***MEET**** at the international dateline,.
You have argued FOR my contention that the terms LEFT RIGHT-----have
no real meaning, Your little propagandaist BS is----simply ATTRIBUTE everything that seems "negative" to you-----to "LEFT" and "truth, justice, and the American way"----to RIGHT (aka ---in your mind CONSERVATIVE)

No I haven't.

Read more carefully.

I read it more carefully than it deserved-----KARL MARX was the first to advocate
GENOCIDE? -------actually PLATO was into genocide (for the record----
GREEK CULTURE is consider part and parcel of WESTERN CIVILIZATION---
as is early Egyptian culture ) What are you calling "European"? European "scholars" have considered themselves the HEIRS of greek and roman
scholarship for MILLENNIA

"I read it more carefully than it deserved-----KARL MARX was the first to advocate
GENOCIDE? -------actually PLATO was into genocide "

You seem not to understand the meaning of "carefully."

Calm down.
This may be why you are having problmes reading carefullly.


I beleive that these are the accurate quotes:
"Early socialists publicly advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries...."
And
"....no other European thinker..."


Why don't you go check and see if I'm correct.

I have no doubt that you quoted correctly-----but the statement is INCORRECT and very misleading. It IMPLIES that scholarship and philosophy is UNIQUELY EUROPEAN---------and the implication is----GENOCIDE IS A EUROPEAN CONSTRUCT. ----------nope. Genocide has been around for MILLENIA----
the romans were into it-----the greeks liked the idea and it was carried out regularly in the FAR EAST-------even the Zoroastrians were into it -----now and then

Rather than imply anything...I state what I mean and support same with links,sources and quotes.
I stated that Marx was the origin of modern acceptance of genocide....and same can be found in his acolytes, Hitler and Stalin.

Look carefully and you will find the same in Obama.

 

[Agit8r]

"How can Communism be thought possible in the most individualistic country in the world? It is only possible where every man is a number, not in Italy where every man is an individual, and more, has individuality."
-- Benito Mussolini; from speech at Trieste, (Sep. 20, 1920)

http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf

"We have founded a system based on the most sincere foundation there is, namely: Form your life yourself! Work for your existence! Help yourself and God will help you!"
-- Adolf Hitler; from speech in Wilhelmshaven (Apr. 1, 1939)

http://www.ub.edu/graap/EHR.pdf

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now....about recognizing those 'economic polices' mentioned in the title....


8. The policies of the Nazis conform with the rhetoric of Obama, Bill's wife, and Bernie....

Here....let's compare them:


1." Capitalism is an unfair system of exploitation. It injures the immense majority for the benefit of a small minority. Private ownership of the means of production hinders the full utilization of natural resources and of technical improvements. Profits and interest are tributes which the masses are forced to pay to a class of idle parasites. Capitalism is the cause of poverty and must result in war.

2. It is therefore the foremost duty of popular government to substitute government control of business for the management of capitalists and entrepreneurs.

3. Price ceilings and minimum wage rates, whether directly enforced by the administration or indirectly by giving a free hand to trade-unions, are an adequate means for improving the lot of the consumers and permanently raising the standard of living of all wage earners. They are steps on the way toward entirely emancipating the masses (by the final establishment of socialism) from the yoke of capital. (We may note incidentally that Marx in his later years violently opposed these propositions. Present-day Marxism, however, endorses them fully.)" Mises, Op. Cit.



See any differences???

Nary a one.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Another FAILED OP by Poly Chica! Nazism=Fascism, Marxism=Communism therefore Communism /= Fascism! Ann Coulter and Ayn Rand were wrong!

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Totalitarianism is just that...totalitarianism regardless of whether it is communism or facism. The left is fine with complete "gubermint" control just so long as it is Fabian socialism. Jackboot tyranny is just fine with them then under those circumstances. While I do not want anything to do with the neocons on the right? The leftwing faction of today turn my stomach and my disgust and utter hatred for what they are and what they stand for is limitless.

Totalitarianism is as Totalitarianism does, in Gump speak! I sure as Hell have no power to change human nature or turn lemmings into unicorns!

Their are various paths to get there from here, where ever here maybe. To claim that Marxism and Nazi fascism took the same path to reach their respective totalitarian states cannot be sustained. Nor can very selected similarities be broad brushed to make the two very distinct political and economic paradigms appear the same.

The logic is the same as the following; A dog is an animal and a cat is an animal but a dog is NOT a cat! Marxism and Fascism may devolve into Totalitarian regimes, but the initial exemplars were distinctly different. Yet, even the devolution of either still does not change the spots on the critter, but rather simply adds just one more similarity and similarities do NOT make the two identical!

Chica lumps a shit-pot full of political systems into one group. That is fucking insane, uniformed, biased neoconservative claptrap that that fool keeps spreading. That is why I responded to Chica.

 

[PoliticalChic]

9. And....more Nazi policies that echo the Modern Liberal and Democrat....


4. " Easy money policy, i.e., credit expansion, is a useful method of lightening the burdens imposed by capital upon the masses and making a country more prosperous. It has nothing to do with the periodical recurrence of economic depression. Economic crises are an evil inherent in unhampered capitalism.


5. All those who deny the foregoing statements and assert that capitalism best serves the masses and that the only effective method of permanently improving the economic conditions of all strata of society is progressive accumulation of new capital are ill-intentioned and narrow-minded apologists of the selfish class interests of the exploiters. A return to laissez faire, free trade, the gold standard, and economic freedom is out of the question. Mankind will fortunately never go back to the ideas and policies of the nineteenth century and the Victorian age. (Let us note incidentally that both both Marxism and trade-unionism have the fairest claim to the epithets “nineteenth-century” and “Victorian.”)

6. The advantage derived from foreign trade lies exclusively in exporting. Imports are bad and should be prevented as much as possible. The happiest situation in which a nation can find itself is where it need not depend on any imports from abroad. (The “progressives,” it is true, are not enthusiastic about this dogma and sometimes even reject it as a nationalist error; however, their political acts are thoroughly dictated by it.)" Mises, Op. Cit.

Such are the actual policies of the Nazi regime.


Look closely at these Nazi policies.. there is no difference between present-day Liberals, on the one hand, and the Nazis on the other.

It is funny, though, that the Germans called them antiliberal and antidemocratic. Semantics.


"It is not much more important that in Germany nobody was free to utter dissenting views, while in [modern secular society] a dissenter is only laughed at as a fool and slighted." Ibid.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Can You Recognize Nazi Economic Policies?"

We can recognize the ignorance and stupidly common to most on the right, this thread being one of many examples

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Can You Recognize Nazi Economic Policies?"

We can recognize the ignorance and stupidly common to most on the right, this thread being one of many examples

Yet.....not a single indication of anything you could dispute, C_Chamber_Pot..

Must be that your post is the only "ignorance and stupidly" on display.


Gads, you're a dunce.

 

[Decus]

chic Karl Marx DIED in 1883--------he was an ALLY of ADOLF--------are you ok
this morning?

What is written is "Stalin and Hitler were allies until June 21st, 1941." PC refers to Marxism in the previous sentence and never claims an alliance between the three men. Please look at the punctuation.

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the punctuation issue changes very little-------KARL MARX was an economist----just as DARWIN was a biologist------neither described TOTOLITARIAN DICTATORSHIP AND GENOCIDE

Marx advocated revolution and accepted violence as a means to an end:

"[T]he very cannibalism of the counterrevolution will convince the nations that there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror."

The Victory of the Counter-Revolution in Vienna,” Neue Rheinische Zeitung', 07 November 1848.

"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror. But the royal terrorists, the terrorists by the grace of God and the law, are in practice brutal, disdainful, and mean, in theory cowardly, secretive, and deceitful, and in both respects disreputable."
(Variant translation: We are ruthless and ask no quarter from you. When our turn comes we shall not disguise our terrorism.)

The final issue of Neue Rheinische Zeitung (18 May 1849)''Marx-Engels Gesamt-Ausgabe, Vol. VI, p. 503

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[PoliticalChic]

So....looking at the policies of the Nazis, we find that, stunningly....they are the same as our Liberal economic policies!

The central theme of each: command and control by overreaching big government.


10 "We do not need to deal here with the refutation of the fallacies in these six dogmas. This is the task of treatises expounding the basic problems of economic theory. It is a task that has already been fulfilled. We need only emphasize that whoever lacks the courage or the insight to attack these premises is not in a position to find fault with the conclusions drawn from them by the Nazis.

The Nazis also desire government control of business.....Both the German and foreign adversaries of Nazism were defeated in the intellectual battle against it because they were enmeshed in the same intransigent and intolerant dogmatism.

The British Left and the American progressives want all-round control of business for their own countries. They admire the Soviet methods of economic management.


[When Liberals claim to reject] German totalitarianism they contradict themselves. ....abandonment of free trade and of the gold standard [serve as] proof of the superiority of German doctrines and methods. " Mises, Op. Cit.




"German intellectuals and German labor tolerated their rule because they agreed with the basic social, economic, and political doctrines of Nazism." Ibid.

And such is the very same policy of Liberals, Progressives, Democrats: Statism.....they agree with the basic social, economic, and political doctrines of Nazism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

11. "One reason why the objections raised to the despotism of the Nazis and the atrocities they committed had so little effect is that many of the critics themselves were inclined to excuse the Soviet methods. Hence the German nationalists could claim that their adversaries—both German and foreign—were being unfair to the Nazis in denouncing them for practices which they judged more mildly in the Russians."
[Get that.....Nazis same as the Soviet Communists.]


The foreign critics condemn the Nazi system as capitalist. In this age of fanatical anticapitalism and enthusiastic support of socialism no reproach seems to discredit a government more thoroughly in the eyes of fashionable opinion than the qualification pro-capitalistic. But this is one charge against the Nazis that is unfounded. We have seen in a previous chapter that the Zwangswirtschaft is a socialist system of all-round government control of business." Mises, Op. Cit.

[Right there: Nazis, like the Soviets....socialists....Leftists. No rightwingers in either camp.]




a. ".... Nazi Germany was a socialist state, not a capitalist one. And ... socialism, understood as an economic system based on government ownership of the means of production, positively requires a totalitarian dictatorship.

... the word "Nazi" was an abbreviation for "der NationalsozialistischeDeutsche Arbeiters Partei — in English translation: the NationalSocialistGerman Workers' Party ... what should one expect the economic system of a country ruled by a party with "socialist" in its name to be but socialism?


It is far more common to believe that it represented a form of capitalism, which is what the Communists and all other Marxists have claimed. The basis of the claim that Nazi Germany was capitalist was the fact that most industries in Nazi Germany appeared to be left in private hands." Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian




As shown in this thread, Liberals, Progressives, Democrats all agree with the premises of Nazi economic policies.

I would be remiss not to remind that there is a similar agreement of the same groups with Communist doctrine.

12 . Whittaker Chambers wrote in his book WITNESS that liberals are/were incapable of ever effectively fighting Communism because they did not see anything in Communism that was antithetical to their own beliefs. In short, Liberals are Communists and Communists are Liberals.


If a=b and b=c, then a=c.

 

[irosie91]

Chic's problem is that she cannot acceopt the fact that SOCIALISM does not preclude
"FASCIST" which is by convention called "RIGHTEST"----She seems to equate 'RIGHTEST' with something like that which in the USA we call "rugged individualism and absence of governmental control'