Canadian man faces 2 years in prison for passing out Jesus saves pamphlets at gay pride parade

[Markle]

Clearly you have never been to a Pride Parade.

There's a point to that comment?

 

[Syriusly]

Clearly you have never been to a Pride Parade.

There's a point to that comment?

I enjoy pointing out that you speak with great ignorance.

 

[Tilly]

Canadian Man Faces 2 Years in Prison for Passing Out Jesus Saves Pamphlets at Gay Pride Parade
A Christian bus driver in Toronto has been charged with a “hate crime” for distributing pamphlets saying homosexuality can lead to diseases and that Jesus can save gay people if they repent. Bill Whatcott “distributed anti-gay material which promoted hatred toward the gay community,” Toronto Police Service said in a statement, adding that he was arrested in Calgary and later returned to Toronto.

Well wonder how the leftards will handle it all when it blows back on themn.

No free speech in Canada?
Must be more to this story ...

No hate speech in Canada. Period.

If the guy was arrested, it means he’s an idiot who persisted after being told to stop.

Yes he could go to jail but it’s unlikely for a first offence.

He is a serial offender. He probably needs psychiatric help raher than prison but how likely is that ?

A serial offender? You mean he’s had the temerity to hand out leaflets more than once???

 

[Markle]

LOL- I guess you think you can dish it out, but don't have to take it?

I have never supported arresting people for speech violations and I do recall in my life when the Right supported just that.

Comstock laws - Wikipedia
Curses! The birth of the bleep and modern American censorship

It took the Supreme Court to overturn the Comstock laws and censorship laws.

This is 2018, not 1873 time for you to catch up!

 

[Markle]

Clearly you have never been to a Pride Parade.

There's a point to that comment?

I enjoy pointing out that you speak with great ignorance.

Great that you concede that there was no point, whatsoever to your post. Thank you!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Canadian Man Faces 2 Years in Prison for Passing Out Jesus Saves Pamphlets at Gay Pride Parade
A Christian bus driver in Toronto has been charged with a “hate crime” for distributing pamphlets saying homosexuality can lead to diseases and that Jesus can save gay people if they repent. Bill Whatcott “distributed anti-gay material which promoted hatred toward the gay community,” Toronto Police Service said in a statement, adding that he was arrested in Calgary and later returned to Toronto.

Well wonder how the leftards will handle it all when it blows back on themn.

No free speech in Canada?
Must be more to this story ...

No hate speech in Canada. Period.

If the guy was arrested, it means he’s an idiot who persisted after being told to stop.

Yes he could go to jail but it’s unlikely for a first offence.

He is a serial offender. He probably needs psychiatric help raher than prison but how likely is that ?

A serial offender? You mean he’s had the temerity to hand out leaflets more than once???

Need to get help for these weirdos.

 

[Syriusly]

LOL- I guess you think you can dish it out, but don't have to take it?

I have never supported arresting people for speech violations and I do recall in my life when the Right supported just that.

Comstock laws - Wikipedia
Curses! The birth of the bleep and modern American censorship

It took the Supreme Court to overturn the Comstock laws and censorship laws.

This is 2018, not 1873 time for you to catch up!

It is 2018- and thanks to the Supreme Court- the laws passed by Conservatives to censor speech in the United States have been largely overturned.

 

[Tilly]

Canadian Man Faces 2 Years in Prison for Passing Out Jesus Saves Pamphlets at Gay Pride Parade
A Christian bus driver in Toronto has been charged with a “hate crime” for distributing pamphlets saying homosexuality can lead to diseases and that Jesus can save gay people if they repent. Bill Whatcott “distributed anti-gay material which promoted hatred toward the gay community,” Toronto Police Service said in a statement, adding that he was arrested in Calgary and later returned to Toronto.

Well wonder how the leftards will handle it all when it blows back on themn.

No free speech in Canada?
Must be more to this story ...

No hate speech in Canada. Period.

If the guy was arrested, it means he’s an idiot who persisted after being told to stop.

Yes he could go to jail but it’s unlikely for a first offence.

He is a serial offender. He probably needs psychiatric help raher than prison but how likely is that ?

A serial offender? You mean he’s had the temerity to hand out leaflets more than once???

Need to get help for these weirdos.

People who hand out leaflets and express their religious views and opinions need help? What kind of ‘help’ do you suggest someone exercising their basic rights should be submitted to, Tammy?

 

[Markle]

"leads to" is certainly false when most Homosexuals don't have HIV and the majority of HIV cases in the world are with heterosexuals.

Cute twist! Did The Nation or George Soros give you those instructions?

How many homosexuals and heterosexuals, PER 100,000 people have HIV and/or AIDS?

That's an honest comparison, not something with which you are familiar!

 

[Correll]

Nope just a lie by you homophobes.

HIV and Gay and Bisexual Men Understanding HIV/AIDS

The Left. So caught up in their own lies and myths, they don't even care when they are bald-faced.

The Bigots. So caught up with their own lies they even lie about their lies.

Sexual Transmission of HIV
In the United States, sexual contact is the most common route of HIV transmission. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), nearly 70 percent of the estimated number of new HIV infections in 2014, were among men who have sex with other men (MSM). The term “MSM “is important because many men who have sex with men do not necessarily identify themselves as gay or bisexual. HIV transmitted through sexual activity among heterosexuals accounted for nearly 23 percent of new infections; most of these cases were among women who contracted the virus from men. People who inject drugs accounted for 7 percent of new infections, though about 40 percent of those were MSM, so it isn’t possible to know for sure whether those men contracted HIV by sharing injection equipment or through sex.

Good point. Thanks for clarifying that 3 out of 4 HIV cases are due to faggots. Gays spread disease.

And that is just ONE of the many diseases that are rampant among gay men.



It is not an healthy lifestyle.

Yet the majority of gay men don't have HIV.

And a monogamous uninfected couple will stay uninfected.

The lie of Tooth is that homosexuality- which apparently he meant to say male homosexuality- leads to disease.

Promiscuous sex makes everyone more susceptible to disease- gay men do tend to have more promiscuous sex than others- but not all gay men do.

You want to label them all as being the same- and all of them carrying HIV around to infect you with.

YOu want to minimize the differences. With games like changing the subject from all diseases to just one.


I tried to find what percentage of homosexuals have a STD, and could not find it.



Political Correctness fucking with Science. Again.

 

[Correll]

So, are you saying that it is ok because Russia does it?

Actually- since I have already said that I thought Canada's law is stupid- I am actually saying both laws are stupid- and that all of you ardent defenders of free speech were either silent or applauding when Russia implemented its laws.

A fair point.

Will you be making that argument when your lefty buddies start arresting people in this country for speech violations?

Certainly if under the Trump administration people start getting arrested for non-violent speech I will object whether they are arrested for anti-gay speech- or pro-gay speech.

What about you, when your righty buddies start arresting people in this country for speech violations?

1. That was dishonest of you, and cowardly. I take it that you will support it, when/if your side starts arresting people for speech violations.


2. I have never supported arresting people for speech violations, and don't recall in my life, the Right in this country ever supporting that. I would certainly NOT support it.

LOL- I guess you think you can dish it out, but don't have to take it?

I have never supported arresting people for speech violations and I do recall in my life when the Right supported just that.

Comstock laws - Wikipedia
Curses! The birth of the bleep and modern American censorship

It took the Supreme Court to overturn the Comstock laws and censorship laws.

Seems to be from the late 1800s. Just how the fuck old are you?

 

[Syriusly]

"leads to" is certainly false when most Homosexuals don't have HIV and the majority of HIV cases in the world are with heterosexuals.

Cute twist! Did The Nation or George Soros give you those instructions?

How many homosexuals and heterosexuals, PER 100,000 people have HIV and/or AIDS?

That's an honest comparison, not something with which you are familiar!

Says the guy who argues that homosexuality 'leads to disease'- clearly honesty is not something you are familiar with- is that what the Westboro Baptists Church tell you to say?

 

[Syriusly]

HIV and Gay and Bisexual Men Understanding HIV/AIDS

The Left. So caught up in their own lies and myths, they don't even care when they are bald-faced.

The Bigots. So caught up with their own lies they even lie about their lies.

Sexual Transmission of HIV
In the United States, sexual contact is the most common route of HIV transmission. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), nearly 70 percent of the estimated number of new HIV infections in 2014, were among men who have sex with other men (MSM). The term “MSM “is important because many men who have sex with men do not necessarily identify themselves as gay or bisexual. HIV transmitted through sexual activity among heterosexuals accounted for nearly 23 percent of new infections; most of these cases were among women who contracted the virus from men. People who inject drugs accounted for 7 percent of new infections, though about 40 percent of those were MSM, so it isn’t possible to know for sure whether those men contracted HIV by sharing injection equipment or through sex.

Good point. Thanks for clarifying that 3 out of 4 HIV cases are due to faggots. Gays spread disease.

And that is just ONE of the many diseases that are rampant among gay men.



It is not an healthy lifestyle.

Yet the majority of gay men don't have HIV.

And a monogamous uninfected couple will stay uninfected.

The lie of Tooth is that homosexuality- which apparently he meant to say male homosexuality- leads to disease.

Promiscuous sex makes everyone more susceptible to disease- gay men do tend to have more promiscuous sex than others- but not all gay men do.

You want to label them all as being the same- and all of them carrying HIV around to infect you with.

YOu want to minimize the differences. With games like changing the subject from all diseases to just one.


I tried to find what percentage of homosexuals have a STD, and could not find it.



Political Correctness fucking with Science. Again.

I am more than willing to stick to what the original claim was: that homosexuality leads to disease.
Meanwhile- the science is out there......for those who can use the internet....
Sexual Orientation Disparities in Sexually Transmitted Infections: Examining the Intersection Between Sexual Identity and Sexual Behavior

 

[Markle]

The real statistics for SYRIUSLY.

Men who have sex with men in the USA
Men who have sex with men (sometimes referred to as ‘MSM’) are the group most affected by HIV in the USA, accounting for an estimated 2% of the USA’s population, but 70% of new annual HIV infections.9

Between 2010 and 2014, new HIV infections among men who have sex with men remained stable at about 26,000 a year. However, trends vary greatly by age and ethnicity. For example, new infections declined by 16% among young men who have sex with men (aged 13 to 24) during this time, while increasing by 23% among 25 to 34-year-old men who have sex with men. Similarly, new infections declined by 11% among white men who have sex with men but increased 14% among Hispanic/Latino men who have sex with men.10

Although new infections between 2011 and 2015 have remained stable overall among African American/black men who have sex with men, among younger populations (between the ages of 25-34-year-old) African American/black men who have sex with men they have risen by 30%.11

If current diagnosis rates continue, one in six American men who have sex with men will be diagnosed with HIV in their lifetime. This equates to one in two African American/black men who have sex with men, one in four Hispanic/Latino men who have sex with men and one in 11 white men who have sex with men.12

At the end of 2014, 615,400 American men who have sex with men were living with HIV and an estimated 17% were unaware of their status.13

Every three years, the CDC studies sexual risk behaviours among men who have sex with men in selected cities. The latest data from this survey suggests the number of men who have sex with men having anal sex without a condom is increasing, with 15.7% reporting this in 2014 compared to 13.7% in 2008.14

The survey found around one-third (35.2%) of young male high school students who had sex with men had also engaged in condom-less anal sex and other higher risk behaviours – a higher proportion than in earlier surveys.15

African American/black people in the USA
In the USA, African American/black people are more affected by HIV than any other ethnic group. This group accounted for 44% of all new HIV infections in 2014 despite only making up 12% of the 16

At the end of 2014, an estimated 471,500 African American/black people were living with HIV, making up 43% of the total number of people living with 17

Among all African American/black people diagnosed with HIV in 2016, the largest proportion were men who have sex with men who accounted for six out of ten diagnoses.18

Between 2011 and 2015, HIV diagnoses fell by 8% among African Americans/black people overall, except for among African American/black men who have sex with men aged 25-34 (see ‘men who have sex with men’ section above).

New diagnoses fell by 20% among African American/black women, however rates of new diagnoses are still high compared to women from other ethnic groups, with 4,560 new diagnoses in 2016.19

New infections have also fallen by 16% among heterosexual African American/black men and by 39% among African American/black people who inject drugs.20

HIV and AIDS in the United States of America (USA)

 

[Markle]

Says the guy who argues that homosexuality 'leads to disease'- clearly honesty is not something you are familiar with- is that what the Westboro Baptists Church tell you to say?

Why are you lying? Is that all you have? Show me where I have stated that "homosexuality leads to disease".

By the way, I am an active member of Patriot Guard Riders. Our role has expanded but initially, we started out providing escorts and shielding for fallen service men's funerals threatened to be subject to the Westboro Baptist Church (basically a wacky family) harassment with the invitation of the family and cooperation of law enforcement. We're invited, we show up in numbers.

Grow up.

 

[Correll]

The Bigots. So caught up with their own lies they even lie about their lies.

Sexual Transmission of HIV
In the United States, sexual contact is the most common route of HIV transmission. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), nearly 70 percent of the estimated number of new HIV infections in 2014, were among men who have sex with other men (MSM). The term “MSM “is important because many men who have sex with men do not necessarily identify themselves as gay or bisexual. HIV transmitted through sexual activity among heterosexuals accounted for nearly 23 percent of new infections; most of these cases were among women who contracted the virus from men. People who inject drugs accounted for 7 percent of new infections, though about 40 percent of those were MSM, so it isn’t possible to know for sure whether those men contracted HIV by sharing injection equipment or through sex.

Good point. Thanks for clarifying that 3 out of 4 HIV cases are due to faggots. Gays spread disease.

And that is just ONE of the many diseases that are rampant among gay men.



It is not an healthy lifestyle.

Yet the majority of gay men don't have HIV.

And a monogamous uninfected couple will stay uninfected.

The lie of Tooth is that homosexuality- which apparently he meant to say male homosexuality- leads to disease.

Promiscuous sex makes everyone more susceptible to disease- gay men do tend to have more promiscuous sex than others- but not all gay men do.

You want to label them all as being the same- and all of them carrying HIV around to infect you with.

YOu want to minimize the differences. With games like changing the subject from all diseases to just one.


I tried to find what percentage of homosexuals have a STD, and could not find it.



Political Corrness fucking with Science. Again.

I am more than willing to stick to what the original claim was: that homosexuality leads to disease.
Meanwhile- the science is out there......for those who can use the internet....
Sexual Orientation Disparities in Sexually Transmitted Infections: Examining the Intersection Between Sexual Identity and Sexual Behavior

That study is about tracking the impact of self identifying on disease, not same sex relations on disease.


I understand. People like you want to hide the obvious truth, that lots and lots and lots of sex partners, especially if anal sex is involved, is not a healthy lifestyle.

 

[frigidweirdo]

All speech?

Should treason be protected? Libel? Hate speech?

Maybe you should protect my freedom to kill you, how about that?

Keep it confined to speech, will you? You're wandering far afield now.

Is treason not speech? How about libel?

Treason covers a lot more than speech, so let's dispense with things like selling secrets to our enemies and fighting against America. What then is treasonous speech? Would you consider someone saying they hate America to be treason? Now you're talking about political speech, and people have to be free to express their dissatisfaction with the way things are. Should someone be punished because they say another country's health care system is better than ours? No, political speech needs to be protected.

Libel is generally legal, but you can be sued for it and be required to pay damages. To the best of my knowledge, however, you don't go to jail for libel.

Let's put it this way. Do you want to be arrested for something you say about someone on a debate board or would you prefer it be a civil matter handled by the rules of the board?

Ah, political speech needs to be protected.

"I think n*ggers need to be lynched"

Protected political speech?

Maybe if Trump said it, would it then be protected?

That's not political speech. It's abhorrent and likely to get you assaulted, but it's not political. The problem is, once you give the government the power to silence speech, the silencing only goes one direction, into more and more being silenced as more and more people discover that they're upset at something someone has said and want them shut down.

Okay, it's abhorrent. It's political because it's been made political in the past.

But at the same time it's similar to what this guy with the pamphlets is saying. Slightly different because it's not handing out a desire to kill.

However saying that homosexuality can lead to diseases is wrong. It could lead to other people thinking homosexuality is bad, and it could then lead to attacks on gay people.

It also said Jesus can "save" gay people. Save them from what? Why does a gay person need "saving"? Again, the implications are that being gay is bad.

Now, attacks happen against gay people. Allowing people to go around spreading fake "information" which would almost certainly lead to gay people being attacked or having a harder time in society is nearly as bad as saying you're going to lynch them, because no doubt some will die.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's about whether I like it or not.

What are the point of laws? What's the point of putting people in prison?

Protecting people from harassment, from being made to feel like it isn't their country. That's exactly what laws are for.

If the same thing happened with black people, it's be a reason to lock someone up, right?

Do you support Maxine Waters' attempt to get her followers to harass Republicans just trying to live their lives?

Well, that would depend on what she's done. I'm not up on what Maxine Waters is doing.

But no, if there were a situation where people were being harassed for living their lives without hurting other people, I would not support that.

Good, because she explicitly asked for that.

And? What's this got to do with me?

I'm gauging the limits of what speech you're willing to use government power to shut down. If you waffled on Waters' call for harassment, you would not be consistent. Basically, you're saying that she should be hauled away in handcuffs for saying what she said. That's at least consistent.

Well, like I said, I'm not sure exactly what she said.

But yes, I believe in a society where people have the right to do whatever they like AS LONG AS THEY DON'T hurt or harm others or society.

The US is a long way from this. Division is sowed by politicians trying to further their own careers, which is very dangerous.

There are three separate categories.

Speech that is protected because it doesn't hurt anyone.

Speech that isn't protected but doesn't result in prosecution because it doesn't have an adverse effect.

Speech that isn't protected and leads to prosecution because it does have an adverse effect.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Canadian Man Faces 2 Years in Prison for Passing Out Jesus Saves Pamphlets at Gay Pride Parade
A Christian bus driver in Toronto has been charged with a “hate crime” for distributing pamphlets saying homosexuality can lead to diseases and that Jesus can save gay people if they repent. Bill Whatcott “distributed anti-gay material which promoted hatred toward the gay community,” Toronto Police Service said in a statement, adding that he was arrested in Calgary and later returned to Toronto.

Well wonder how the leftards will handle it all when it blows back on themn.

The issue here isn't just that he had "Jesus saves" on the pamphlet, it also said:

"homosexuality can lead to diseases and that Jesus can save gay people if they repent."

The guy was lucky he made it out of there alive.

Homosexuality doesn't cause diseases, nor can Jesus save gay people. So, he's a fucking liar and put himself in a dangerous situation and he went around telling gay people they're bad people at a gay pride event.

What a fucking dick. Two years? Deserves more.

Heterosexuality can cause diseases too. Ask Magic Johnson.

Yes, this dude is a total dick but probably won't get any worse than a week in the slammer.

Well, homosexuality doesn't lead to diseases. Sex can lead to diseases, regardless of whether it's homosexual or heterosexual.

Homosexual people can easily get through life without contracting STDs.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The issue here isn't just that he had "Jesus saves" on the pamphlet, it also said:

"homosexuality can lead to diseases and that Jesus can save gay people if they repent."

The guy was lucky he made it out of there alive.

Homosexuality doesn't cause diseases, nor can Jesus save gay people.

Migod, OF COURSE homosexuality causes disease!! Have you ever SEEN people with AIDS? Emaciated like concentration camp victims, and then they die. I know because they dealt with a funeral for someone I know, and did a great job, and why? Because they were very well experienced with funerals. Nearly all of them in this activity group were homosexuals and they were dying like flies.

I never really forgave homosexuals for bringing HIV to America, via Haiti paid sex liaisons. Haitians caught it in Africa from some sort of exchange program in the 1960s and 70s. It's all very well documented.

And it's not just AIDS. All sorts of venereal diseases are much worse in homosexual exchanges, for obvious reasons: the injuries, the feces. Someone claiming homosexuality is perfectly healthy doesn't read and doesn't know much, IMO.

What is "Migod"?

No, homosexuality doesn't lead to diseases.

Have I seen people with diseases? I was in Lesotho, there was a billboard on the side of the road. Each different region of the small country and their HIV/AIDS rate were posted. 19% was the lowest. They estimated that 50% of child bearing age women in the capital had it.
I got on a combi and went to some village out in the sticks. The combi stopped at the last stop and everyone but me got off and went to the HIV/AIDS hospital.

Most of those people who catch HIV/AIDS in Lesotho and the whole region as heterosexuals.

So, your claim that gay people brought it to the US is going to be one I know you can't prove, so you can't claim it either.

Well, all sorts of STDs are spread by heterosexuals too.

Here's a map of STDs by state. Notice how California and New York, the two gay capitals of the US, have lower levels of STDs than states which teach abstinence as their religious sex ed?

Funny that.