Capitalism Guarantees Rising Inequality

[deltex1]

If you consider disability payments a moral stance...I have two family members...each with a combined family income of 200k ...both working full time...each getting about $1500 disability check each month...they earned it...and if I were in their shoes I'd take it...and it may be moral...but is it affordable?

If they earned it? What's the problem?

I am just posing the question of whether we are too generous...there are many people out there who are 100 percent disabled who work...maybe the check should come after you stop working...just asking...

 

[itfitzme]

If you consider disability payments a moral stance...I have two family members...each with a combined family income of 200k ...both working full time...each getting about $1500 disability check each month...they earned it...and if I were in their shoes I'd take it...and it may be moral...but is it affordable?

If they earned it? What's the problem?

I am just posing the question of whether we are too generous...there are many people out there who are 100 percent disabled who work...maybe the check should come after you stop working...just asking...

Well, in fact, OASDI is an insurance, not a savings account. So, there is no rational that they are due that $1500. OASDI just isn't means tested.

 

[The T]

If you consider disability payments a moral stance...I have two family members...each with a combined family income of 200k ...both working full time...each getting about $1500 disability check each month...they earned it...and if I were in their shoes I'd take it...and it may be moral...but is it affordable?

If they earned it? What's the problem?

I am just posing the question of whether we are too generous...there are many people out there who are 100 percent disabled who work...maybe the check should come after you stop working...just asking...

10-4. If it is earned, then there's no problem regardless. Don't fall into the wealth envy crap.

 

[itfitzme]

If they earned it? What's the problem?

I am just posing the question of whether we are too generous...there are many people out there who are 100 percent disabled who work...maybe the check should come after you stop working...just asking...

10-4. If it is earned, then there's no problem regardless. Don't fall into the wealth envy crap.

There is no "wealthy envy crap". That is simply your subjective bullshit rationalization.

 

[The T]

I am just posing the question of whether we are too generous...there are many people out there who are 100 percent disabled who work...maybe the check should come after you stop working...just asking...

10-4. If it is earned, then there's no problem regardless. Don't fall into the wealth envy crap.

There is no "wealthy envy crap". That is simply your subjective bullshit rationalization.

Yes there is. You are ignorant. WHAT will Obama be talking about in the SOTU? "INCOME INEQUALITY"

Moron.

 

[georgephillip]

Inequality exists because the greediest and the most selfish individuals and institutions use private wealth to control every government yet devised.

Inequality exists because people are not equal.

"The 85 richest people on Earth now have the same amount of wealth as the bottom half of the global population, according to a report released Monday by the British humanitarian group Oxfam International."

They're not that unequal.

Oxfam report highlights widening income gap between rich, poor - latimes.com

And if god and heaven don't exist what incentive is there to be virtuous...especially if you are comfortable?

If by virtuous you mean the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are "good" (right) and those that are "bad" (wrong), the best example of secular morality is Immanuel Kant's categorical imperative: "The idea that actions can only be considered moral if they could be imitated by anyone else and produce good results."

Secular morality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Which only works if god and heaven exist.
Inequality exists because the greediest and the most selfish individuals and institutions use private wealth to control every government yet devised. Solutions include stronger regulation of markets to promote sustainable and equitable growth along with curbing the power of the rich to influence political processes and policies that best suit their interests. Build a wall of separation between private wealth and the state, or use the state to tax private wealth into extinction. There are alternatives.

Inequality exists because the greediest and the most selfish individuals and institutions use private wealth to control every government yet devised.

Inequality exists because people are not equal.

"The 85 richest people on Earth now have the same amount of wealth as the bottom half of the global population, according to a report released Monday by the British humanitarian group Oxfam International."

They're not that unequal.

Oxfam report highlights widening income gap between rich, poor - latimes.com

Back before civilization, the gap between the guy who owned a horse and the guy who didn't, was huge.

The gap between the guy who gathered enough food and the guy who didn't (the dead guy), was huge.

The fact that hard work now can earn larger amounts and the fact that not working doesn't end in starvation and death, does not mean things are worse now than ever.
Despite socialist whining to the contrary.

 

[The T]

Inequality exists because the greediest and the most selfish individuals and institutions use private wealth to control every government yet devised.

Inequality exists because people are not equal.

"The 85 richest people on Earth now have the same amount of wealth as the bottom half of the global population, according to a report released Monday by the British humanitarian group Oxfam International."

They're not that unequal.

Oxfam report highlights widening income gap between rich, poor - latimes.com

Back before civilization, the gap between the guy who owned a horse and the guy who didn't, was huge.

The gap between the guy who gathered enough food and the guy who didn't (the dead guy), was huge.

The fact that hard work now can earn larger amounts and the fact that not working doesn't end in starvation and death, does not mean things are worse now than ever.
Despite socialist whining to the contrary.

Look at the American Indian tribes that prized horses as wealth...and their increased mobility?

Dead ON.

 

[georgephillip]

Where is Democracy to be found in a world where the three richest individuals have assets that exceed the combined GDP of 47 countries?

A world where the richest 2% of global citizens "own" more than 51% of global assets?

Ready for the best part?

Capitalism ensures an already bad problem will only get worse.

"The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) states that income inequality 'first started to rise in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s in America and Britain (and also in Israel)'.

"The ratio between the average incomes of the top 5 per cent to the bottom 5 per cent in the world increased from 78:1 in 1988, to 114:1 in 1993..."

"Stiglitz relays that from 1988 to 2008 people in the world’s top 1 per cent saw their incomes increase by 60 per cent, while those in the bottom 5 per cent had no change in their income.

"In America, home to the 2008 recession, from 2009 to 2012, incomes of the top 1 per cent in America, many of which no doubt had a greedy hand in the causes of the meltdown, increased more than 31 per cent, while the incomes of the 99 per cent grew 0.4 per cent less than half a percentage point."

Spotlight on Worldwide Inequality

There are alternatives that don't require infinite "growth."

If you don't like being part of the 2% of the worlds richest people give your money away, move to the Central African Republic, and stop posting on the internet.

What do you imagine that would accomplish?

"The United States, for example, with a mere 5 per cent of the world’s population, uses 30 per cent of natural resources..."

"Not only do the wealthy countries usurp and waste 80 per cent of the world’s resources but, according to a United Nations report, their 'voracious consumption of resources cannot be sustained”.

Spotlight on Worldwide Inequality

If you don't like being part of a political message board where you're guaranteed to encounter views opposed to yours, polish your Mandarin and move to China.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Which only works if god and heaven exist.
Inequality exists because the greediest and the most selfish individuals and institutions use private wealth to control every government yet devised. Solutions include stronger regulation of markets to promote sustainable and equitable growth along with curbing the power of the rich to influence political processes and policies that best suit their interests. Build a wall of separation between private wealth and the state, or use the state to tax private wealth into extinction. There are alternatives.

Inequality exists because the greediest and the most selfish individuals and institutions use private wealth to control every government yet devised.

Inequality exists because people are not equal.

"The 85 richest people on Earth now have the same amount of wealth as the bottom half of the global population, according to a report released Monday by the British humanitarian group Oxfam International."

They're not that unequal.

Oxfam report highlights widening income gap between rich, poor - latimes.com

They're not that unequal.

How much more productive is Bill Gates than a Chinese farmer living in a mud hut?
Than an illiterate person in India shoveling shit for a living?

 

[The T]

Inequality exists because the greediest and the most selfish individuals and institutions use private wealth to control every government yet devised.

Inequality exists because people are not equal.

"The 85 richest people on Earth now have the same amount of wealth as the bottom half of the global population, according to a report released Monday by the British humanitarian group Oxfam International."

They're not that unequal.

Oxfam report highlights widening income gap between rich, poor - latimes.com

Back before civilization, the gap between the guy who owned a horse and the guy who didn't, was huge.

The gap between the guy who gathered enough food and the guy who didn't (the dead guy), was huge.

The fact that hard work now can earn larger amounts and the fact that not working doesn't end in starvation and death, does not mean things are worse now than ever.
Despite socialist whining to the contrary.

The OP lives in a ZERO SUM GAME world while applauding those against making the pie LARGER through Capitalism. It appears HE would be comfy in killing it and letting Government run it all. The OP is an extreme Socialist.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Where is Democracy to be found in a world where the three richest individuals have assets that exceed the combined GDP of 47 countries?

A world where the richest 2% of global citizens "own" more than 51% of global assets?

Ready for the best part?

Capitalism ensures an already bad problem will only get worse.

"The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) states that income inequality 'first started to rise in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s in America and Britain (and also in Israel)'.

"The ratio between the average incomes of the top 5 per cent to the bottom 5 per cent in the world increased from 78:1 in 1988, to 114:1 in 1993..."

"Stiglitz relays that from 1988 to 2008 people in the world’s top 1 per cent saw their incomes increase by 60 per cent, while those in the bottom 5 per cent had no change in their income.

"In America, home to the 2008 recession, from 2009 to 2012, incomes of the top 1 per cent in America, many of which no doubt had a greedy hand in the causes of the meltdown, increased more than 31 per cent, while the incomes of the 99 per cent grew 0.4 per cent less than half a percentage point."

Spotlight on Worldwide Inequality

There are alternatives that don't require infinite "growth."

If you don't like being part of the 2% of the worlds richest people give your money away, move to the Central African Republic, and stop posting on the internet.

What do you imagine that would accomplish?

"The United States, for example, with a mere 5 per cent of the world’s population, uses 30 per cent of natural resources..."

"Not only do the wealthy countries usurp and waste 80 per cent of the world’s resources but, according to a United Nations report, their 'voracious consumption of resources cannot be sustained”.

Spotlight on Worldwide Inequality

If you don't like being part of a political message board where you're guaranteed to encounter views opposed to yours, polish your Mandarin and move to China.

"The United States, for example, with a mere 5 per cent of the world’s population, uses 30 per cent of natural resources..."

"The United States, for example, with a mere 5 per cent of the world’s population, produces 30 per cent of world economic output..."

 

[Dirk the Daring]

Why blame the business that buys government and give the government guys a pass?

Exactly; the liberal logic -

If I offer you money, and you take it, the blame for you taking it lies on me for having offered.

Unreal...

Legally and morally if I accept your bribe we are both guilty of corruption.

Bribe? Who said anything about bribes? I was referring...


...'contributions.'

Do you get it now?

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

How are you defining "input" and "output"?
Modern technology stems from human labor and much of the research that has made it possible comes from public and not private capital.

Try telling that to those creative entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs.

Steve's not taking any calls, but he would probably be among the first to credit public funding of the internet to explain much of his $ucce$$.

Oh I'm sure you'd find if it wasn't for inventors like Henry Ford, through the support of private investors, there wouldn't be a reason to establish bridges and infrastructure. Government didn't build the need, it was through the creative efforts of inventors and private investors.

 

[The T]

Try telling that to those creative entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs.

Steve's not taking any calls, but he would probably be among the first to credit public funding of the internet to explain much of his $ucce$$.

Oh I'm sure you'd find if it wasn't for inventors like Henry Ford, through the support of private investors, there wouldn't be a reason to establish bridges and infrastructure. Government didn't build the need, it was through the creative efforts of inventors and private investors.

But the OP and those he supports intend on killing it. The American dream is fast approaching a nightmare.

 

[Mr. H.]

We all have a capitalist "bent".

And that is how it should be. In this country, anyway.

The individual capitalist in us all is what defines us.

As individuals.

You either shit... of your get off your pot.

Or you can sit on your pot and do jack shit while the world passes you by.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Where is Democracy to be found in a world where the three richest individuals have assets that exceed the combined GDP of 47 countries?

A world where the richest 2% of global citizens "own" more than 51% of global assets?

Ready for the best part?

Capitalism ensures an already bad problem will only get worse.

"The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) states that income inequality 'first started to rise in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s in America and Britain (and also in Israel)'.

"The ratio between the average incomes of the top 5 per cent to the bottom 5 per cent in the world increased from 78:1 in 1988, to 114:1 in 1993..."

"Stiglitz relays that from 1988 to 2008 people in the world’s top 1 per cent saw their incomes increase by 60 per cent, while those in the bottom 5 per cent had no change in their income.

"In America, home to the 2008 recession, from 2009 to 2012, incomes of the top 1 per cent in America, many of which no doubt had a greedy hand in the causes of the meltdown, increased more than 31 per cent, while the incomes of the 99 per cent grew 0.4 per cent less than half a percentage point."

Spotlight on Worldwide Inequality

There are alternatives that don't require infinite "growth."

If you don't like being part of the 2% of the worlds richest people give your money away, move to the Central African Republic, and stop posting on the internet.

What do you imagine that would accomplish?

"The United States, for example, with a mere 5 per cent of the world’s population, uses 30 per cent of natural resources..."

"Not only do the wealthy countries usurp and waste 80 per cent of the world’s resources but, according to a United Nations report, their 'voracious consumption of resources cannot be sustained”.

Spotlight on Worldwide Inequality

If you don't like being part of a political message board where you're guaranteed to encounter views opposed to yours, polish your Mandarin and move to China.

I actually enjoy mocking the viewpoint that capitalism causes income inequality, feel free to make some more threads about it.

 

[bripat9643]

I will take you more seriously when you take yourself more seriously.

I am ok with you barking away. Your name is fitting.

No one takes you seriously, numskull. You're an ignoramus and a buffoon. You don't have any facts or logic to support your parasite economic theories, so you quickly devolve to insulting your critics.

 

[bripat9643]

Why blame the business that buys government and give the government guys a pass?

Exactly; the liberal logic -

If I offer you money, and you take it, the blame for you taking it lies on me for having offered.

Unreal...

The guys who dreamed up the theory that business corrupts government were all on the government payroll. You didn't imagine they would blame themselves, did you?

 

[bripat9643]

How are you defining "input" and "output"?
Modern technology stems from human labor and much of the research that has made it possible comes from public and not private capital.

Try telling that to those creative entrepreneurs like Steve Jobs.

Steve's not taking any calls, but he would probably be among the first to credit public funding of the internet to explain much of his $ucce$$.

Jobs didn't make most of his money from the internet. I doubt he would credit public funding.