Capitalism Guarantees Rising Inequality

[hunarcy]

No one has benefitted more from capitalism more than poor people. Their quality of life is a million times better than it used to be.

A million?

That's stupid.

Name a person in the United States that is forced into living in grass huts, with no running water or indoor toilet, who lives as a subsistence farmer or is a hunter-gatherer.

I'd say he was a bit conservative in his estimate of how much better life is now.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, the US is No. 1 in GNP, but in the overall value of goods and services produced, China has surpassed the US, primarily because China has taken over so much of the civilian manufacturing which used to be done in the US and the middle class in China is growing which is driving a growing demand for consumer goods. That demand will continue to grow as China's burgeoning middle class indulges their demand for western luxuries and technology.

Conversely, low and middle income Americans are able to afford less and less as the buying power of stagnant incomes continue to erode.

Large US companies will continue to expand into Asia as the increased manufacturing sector in those countries will provide markets for goods Americans can no longer afford.

Yes, the US is No. 1 in GNP, but in the overall value of goods and services produced, China has surpassed the US,

Ummmmmm.....the overall value of goods and services produced is GNP.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

China's rise is mostly due to their ability to provide a stable economic environment for investors as well as really cheap labor. They also manipulate currencies to ensure long term profitability of investments into production. They also keep wages down through government control. A lot of other places with low wages didn't have the government control that China had/has. It is fairly straight forward mercantilism.

China's rise is mostly due to their ability to provide a stable economic environment for investors

Let's see how stable their environment is over the next 12 months.

 

[1776]

Was he a capitalist, idiot?

What about Castro, Mao, etc?

Hitler was a national socialist....more like you than me.

How does socialism/communism promote "equality?"

Taking from those not in power and keeping for the ruling class...is equality?

Making sure everyone only gets a certain amount of food, gas, etc...is equality?

Stalin lived a life of luxury while he gave demands to randomly kill people in the projects and claim they were spies/traitors to keep the masses afraid of him.....that sounds like equality to a liberal, eh?

Or maybe Stalin wasn't really a Socialist.

 

[georgephillip]

How does socialism/communism promote "equality?"

Taking from those not in power and keeping for the ruling class...is equality?

Making sure everyone only gets a certain amount of food, gas, etc...is equality?

Stalin lived a life of luxury while he gave demands to randomly kill people in the projects and claim they were spies/traitors to keep the masses afraid of him.....that sounds like equality to a liberal, eh?

Or maybe Stalin wasn't really a Socialist.

Of course not because under true socialism only nice people get into positions of power, and the government would never do anything mean or unfair and every child has a pink unicorn for a pet.

Under socialism worker soviets (councils) control the means of production.
Initially, that was how the system functioned in 1917 Russia.
Lenin dissolved the soviets and demanded workers submit to the state.
Stalin finished the job ( and worse)
Pink unicorns are for those who believe the rich create jobs during capitalism's end times.

 

[1776]

Ahhhh, the socialists fucked up their own system.

You sound like this stupid Irish college kid that argued with me in a Prague bar. He was a socialist in his 20s and had no understanding/clue about the 70s-80s of the USSR...it was the "west's fault" that the USSR flopped since we didn't prop it up was his argument.

Too bad Lenin and Stalin didn't execute socialism like you, a twit.

Or maybe Stalin wasn't really a Socialist.

Of course not because under true socialism only nice people get into positions of power, and the government would never do anything mean or unfair and every child has a pink unicorn for a pet.

Under socialism worker soviets (councils) control the means of production.
Initially, that was how the system functioned in 1917 Russia.
Lenin dissolved the soviets and demanded workers submit to the state.
Stalin finished the job ( and worse)
Pink unicorns are for those who believe the rich create jobs during capitalism's end times.

 

[Quadravius]

The more I read and learn about communism, the more I like it better than capitalism honestly.

Under capitalism, most people are still poor. Under communism, the people who made too much under capitalism gotta share it with everybody. I dont see what the huge problem is?

 

[1776]

Are you joking?

The more I read and learn about communism, the more I like it better than capitalism honestly.

Under capitalism, most people are still poor. Under communism, the people who made too much under capitalism gotta share it with everybody. I dont see what the huge problem is?

 

[georgephillip]

Was he a capitalist, idiot?

What about Castro, Mao, etc?

Hitler was a national socialist....more like you than me.

How does socialism/communism promote "equality?"

Taking from those not in power and keeping for the ruling class...is equality?

Making sure everyone only gets a certain amount of food, gas, etc...is equality?

Stalin lived a life of luxury while he gave demands to randomly kill people in the projects and claim they were spies/traitors to keep the masses afraid of him.....that sounds like equality to a liberal, eh?

Or maybe Stalin wasn't really a Socialist.

Stalin was a state capitalist.
How else would he become rich, Bitch?

 

[Quadravius]

Are you joking?

The more I read and learn about communism, the more I like it better than capitalism honestly.

Under capitalism, most people are still poor. Under communism, the people who made too much under capitalism gotta share it with everybody. I dont see what the huge problem is?

Why would I be joking? Is a difference of opinion allowed here?

 

[GISMYS]

The problem??? No problem=simple =you don't work=you don't eat.

 

[1776]

Yes....you are the bi-product of some test tube experiment gone wrong...to claim Stalin was a "capitalist."

You are on ignore for being such a stupid stain of shit on society.

Was he a capitalist, idiot?

What about Castro, Mao, etc?

Hitler was a national socialist....more like you than me.

Or maybe Stalin wasn't really a Socialist.

Stalin was a state capitalist.
How else would he become rich, Bitch?

 

[1776]

Did you graduate from high school?

Do you know the names Castro, Stalin and Mao....what do they have in common?

Are you joking?

The more I read and learn about communism, the more I like it better than capitalism honestly.

Under capitalism, most people are still poor. Under communism, the people who made too much under capitalism gotta share it with everybody. I dont see what the huge problem is?

Why would I be joking? Is a difference of opinion allowed here?

 

[dblack]

George, simple question: do you think people should be free to spend their money as they wish? To give it to whomever they want, for whatever reason, as long as they aren't soliciting otherwise criminal activity (eg hiring a hit man etc...)?

 

[georgephillip]

"There are various theories and critiques of state capitalism, some of which have existed before the 1917 October Revolution.

"The common themes among them are to identify that the workers do not meaningfully control the means of production and that commodity relations and production for profit still occur within state capitalism.

"Vladimir Lenin notably described the economy of Russia as state capitalism.

"Socialists of a libertarian or anarchist persuasion, such as Noam Chomsky, use the term 'state capitalism' to refer to economies that are nominally capitalist, such that the decisive research and development is performed by the public sector at public cost, but private owners reap the profits."

State capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Socialism never had a chance to succeed in an economy as backward as Russia in 1917.

We won't know what its potential is until it buries capitalism in the US.

 

[georgephillip]

George, simple question: do you think people should be free to spend their money as they wish? To give it to whomever they want, for whatever reason, as long as they aren't soliciting otherwise criminal activity (eg hiring a hit man etc...)?

I sense a trick question, dblack, but I'll stick my neck in the noose and answer by saying "yes".

 

[Quadravius]

Did you graduate from high school?

Do you know the names Castro, Stalin and Mao....what do they have in common?

Castro was a hero who liberated cuba. Stalin sided with the allies to crush the white supremacist nazis. And mao made china what it is today. Most of your products are made in china because of mao.

 

[GISMYS]

So cuba and china "liberated" now???? Freedom????dream on!!!

 

[Quadravius]

So cuba and china "liberated" now???? Freedom????dream on!!!

If it wasnt for stalin, you all would be speaking german right now. Would you have preferred if hitler won?

 

[GISMYS]

How many millions of his own people did stalin kill???? Far more than hitler!!! Think!