Samofvt
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- Aug 9, 2021
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georgephillip I believe your original topic for this thread is close to the truth: "Capitalism is NOT democratic: Democracy is NOT capitalist"
As far as playing the blame game about who is in jail vs who is not, sorted by race, I'll have to pass. I believe those who commit crimes and are convicted by a jury are there because of circumstances, not race, but any argument is subjective. That topic doesn't have much to do with Capitalism nor Democracy, imho.
The point I am trying to make is that the system we (in the USA) are living under is NOT capitalism, and there is growing doubt that our Democracy counts for much. Under the capitalism that was forged by the founding men, INVESTORS BEAR RISK. Any system where the investors have no risk and can cause slavery, indentured service, or otherwise violate a person's God given freedoms of self-determination, IS NOT CAPITALISM.
It should be stressed that the formation and development of the USA WAS THE FIRST EVER of its kind: a capitalist system where any ordinary person has the ability to rise above poverty, guaranteed by certain inalienable, God given, rights to justice under a fair system. There is no clause that guarantees success, and many may fail, but in any case, the decisions of the individual dictate the outcome. Did it take a while for people of non-English decent to be treated with those same rights? Yes, because of the run-away and RICH slave system of the south. It cost a lot of lives to correct that abomination, the lives of whites, blacks, native Americans, and many others to achieve that. It's not perfect, we can't reach into someone's heart and force them to see the truth. But we can enforce the laws that were established in the constitution, as written and as intended.
The Slave states of the south were a perfect example of socialism. It was revered around the world as how great at class-system could be. You seem to be advocating that we continue to return to the socialist (class/slave) system. That system that we, as a nation and God Fearing men and women, rejected during our formation. This is the only real problem I have with most of what you are pontificating.
The purpose of a people's government, by the people and for the people, is to 1) establish laws 2) ensure the laws are enforced, and 3) judge when those laws are in violation. They created 3 (THREE) branches of government in hopes of establishing a balance so that the government could not take ownership and become what those men knew as evil. Under socialism, there would have to be a 4th (FOURTH) branch of the federal government, and that branch would be in charge of OWNERSHIP. The way our founders established it, OWNERSHIP is left to the people. That, my friend is the beautiful thing we respect as capitalism.
As far as playing the blame game about who is in jail vs who is not, sorted by race, I'll have to pass. I believe those who commit crimes and are convicted by a jury are there because of circumstances, not race, but any argument is subjective. That topic doesn't have much to do with Capitalism nor Democracy, imho.
The point I am trying to make is that the system we (in the USA) are living under is NOT capitalism, and there is growing doubt that our Democracy counts for much. Under the capitalism that was forged by the founding men, INVESTORS BEAR RISK. Any system where the investors have no risk and can cause slavery, indentured service, or otherwise violate a person's God given freedoms of self-determination, IS NOT CAPITALISM.
It should be stressed that the formation and development of the USA WAS THE FIRST EVER of its kind: a capitalist system where any ordinary person has the ability to rise above poverty, guaranteed by certain inalienable, God given, rights to justice under a fair system. There is no clause that guarantees success, and many may fail, but in any case, the decisions of the individual dictate the outcome. Did it take a while for people of non-English decent to be treated with those same rights? Yes, because of the run-away and RICH slave system of the south. It cost a lot of lives to correct that abomination, the lives of whites, blacks, native Americans, and many others to achieve that. It's not perfect, we can't reach into someone's heart and force them to see the truth. But we can enforce the laws that were established in the constitution, as written and as intended.
The Slave states of the south were a perfect example of socialism. It was revered around the world as how great at class-system could be. You seem to be advocating that we continue to return to the socialist (class/slave) system. That system that we, as a nation and God Fearing men and women, rejected during our formation. This is the only real problem I have with most of what you are pontificating.
The purpose of a people's government, by the people and for the people, is to 1) establish laws 2) ensure the laws are enforced, and 3) judge when those laws are in violation. They created 3 (THREE) branches of government in hopes of establishing a balance so that the government could not take ownership and become what those men knew as evil. Under socialism, there would have to be a 4th (FOURTH) branch of the federal government, and that branch would be in charge of OWNERSHIP. The way our founders established it, OWNERSHIP is left to the people. That, my friend is the beautiful thing we respect as capitalism.
