Climate Change Could Make Everest Unclimbable

[Stephanie]

They don't care the people that are killed on it every year...Just that it could be frikken unClimbable...

popular science used to be reputable now? and leave it to the chicken little star to find it and post it

 

[skookerasbil]

Could be,.......as cold as it was in New York for the past 6 months, Id expect this frostbite problem they've always had climbing Everest will kick in at an even lower altitude. Id expect these poor climbers are going to be fucked before they even reach halfway in future years.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Interesting. Is Everest is melting because the temperature are above freezing?

So that means that climbers can now scale Everest in their t-shirt, right?

Base camp Temperature

Summit temperature

 

[skookerasbil]

Yeah......with all this siCk cold going on, soon, peoples balls will be turning black and falling off at THE BASE CAMP.

 

[jc456]

It actually came from here: Climate Change May Make Mount Everest Unclimbable : Discovery News : Discovery News

and here

BBC News - Nepal in new bid to finally settle Mount Everest height


Not a huge improvement, but there you go. You quote WUWT.

Yeah, Discovery is much more credible than Popular Science!

What do rightwingers say when they can't articulate their position without looking inarticulate? -- "Yeah, Discovery is much more credible than Popular Science!"

"Water is the most precious commodity here.
People are fighting each other for it: in the irrigation season, even brother and sister or father and son are fighting over water. It is against our tradition and our Buddhist teachings, but people are desperate," Norphel, a Ladakhi native, says.
"Peace depends on water."​

A Himalayan Village Builds Artificial Glaciers to Survive Global Warming

LEH, INDIA—In the high-altitude desert of the Indian trans-Himalayas, one man is buying time for villagers suffering from global warming by creating artificial glaciers.

The ancient kingdom of Ladakh is the highest inhabited region on Earth. Wedged between Pakistan, Afghanistan and China, Ladakh consists entirely of mountains and is home to a mostly Tantric Buddhist population.

In the so-called rain shadow of the Himalayas, Ladakh receives just five centimeters of rainwater a year—about the same as the Sahara Desert. The population is entirely dependent on glacier and snowmelt to irrigate crops.

Global warming has hit the region particularly hard. Around the principal town of Leh, most of the glaciers have disappeared in the past 15 years. The snow line has risen more than 150 meters, and remaining glaciers have retreated by as much as 10 kilometers. These glaciers are now at high altitudes, far from the villages, where they don't produce significant meltwater until May or June.

<snip>
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I thought global meant global, this is local. Doesn't qualify.

 

[jc456]

Deadliest disaster on the world's highest peak...

13TH BODY PULLED FROM SNOW IN EVEREST AVALANCHE
Apr 19,`14 -- Search teams recovered a 13th body Saturday from the snow and ice covering a dangerous climbing pass on Mount Everest, where an avalanche a day earlier swept over a group of Sherpa guides in the deadliest disaster on the world's highest peak.

Another three guides remained missing, and searchers were working quickly to find them in case weather conditions deteriorated, said Maddhu Sunan Burlakoti, head of the Nepalese government's mountaineering department. But the painstaking effort involved testing the strength of newly fallen snow and using extra clamps, ropes and aluminum ladders to navigate the treacherous Khumbu icefall, a maze of immense ice chunks and crevasses. The avalanche slammed into the guides at about 6:30 a.m. Friday near the "popcorn field," a section of the Khumbu known for its bulging chunks of ice. The group of about 25 Sherpa guides were among the first people making their way up the mountain this climbing season. They were hauling gear to the higher camps that their foreign clients would use in attempting to reach the summit next month.

One of the survivors told his relatives that the path had been unstable just before the snow slide hit at an elevation near 5,800 meters (19,000 feet). The area is considered particularly dangerous due to its steep slope and deep crevasses that cut through the snow and ice covering the pass year round. As soon as the avalanche occurred, rescuers, guides and climbers rushed to help, and all other climbing was suspended. Seven of the 12 bodies pulled out and brought down Friday were handed over to their families in the Everest region, while the other five were taken to Katmandu, Nepal's capital. Four survivors were conscious and being treated in the intensive care units of several Katmandu hospitals for broken ribs, fractured limbs, punctured lungs and skin abrasions, according to Dr. C.R. Pandey from Grande Hospital. Others were treated for less serious injuries at the Everest base camp.

Mother of Nepalese mountaineer Ang Kaji Sherpa, killed in an avalanche on Mount Everest, cries while she waits for his body at Sherpa Monastery in Katmandu, Nepal, Saturday, April 19, 2014. Rescuers were searching through piles of snow and ice on the slopes of Mount Everest on Saturday for four Sherpa guides who were buried by an avalanche that killed 12 other Nepalese guides in the deadliest disaster on the world's highest peak. The Sherpa people are one of the main ethnic groups in Nepal's alpine region, and many make their living as climbing guides on Everest and other Himalayan peaks.

Hundreds of climbers, guides and support crews had been at Everest's base camp preparing to climb the 8,850-meter (29,035-foot) peak when weather conditions are most favorable next month. As with each year, the Sherpa guides from each of the expedition teams had been working together to prepare the path by carving routes through the ice, fixing ropes on the slopes and setting up camps at higher altitudes. One of the injured guides, Dawa Tashi, said the Sherpas were delayed on their way up the slope because the path was unsteady. With little warning, a wall of snow crashed down on the group and buried many of them, according to Tashi's sister-in-law, Dawa Yanju. Doctors said Tashi, who was partially buried in the avalanche, suffered several broken ribs. The Sherpa people are one of the main ethnic groups in Nepal's alpine region, and many make their living as climbing guides on Everest and other Himalayan peaks.

More than 4,000 climbers have summited Everest since 1953, when it was first conquered by New Zealander Edmund Hillary and Sherpa Tenzing Norgay. Hundreds have died trying. The worst recorded disaster on Everest had been a fierce blizzard on May 11, 1996, that caused the deaths of eight climbers, including famed mountaineer Rob Hall, and was later memorialized in a book, "Into Thin Air," by Jon Krakauer. Six Nepalese guides were killed in an avalanche in 1970. Earlier this year, Nepal announced several steps to better manage the heavy flow of climbers and speed up rescue operations. The steps included the dispatch of officials and security personnel to the base camp at (5,300 meters) 17,380 feet, where they will stay throughout the spring climbing season, which ends in May.

News from The Associated Press

A couple of years ago, Apa Sherpa predicted warming would cause this to happen - thanks for the confirmation.

You might think a warmer climate would render Everest easier to climb — fewer treacherous glaciers and snowbanks and so forth — but the opposite is true. Rockslides are increasing, and it's much more difficult to clamber up bare rocks than to use metal crampons on thick ice. The conditions are deteriorating so much that the mountain may be unclimbable in a few years, according to Apa Sherpa, a Nepali climber who has reached the summit a record 21 times.
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You're seriously going with this? Really?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Deadliest disaster on the world's highest peak...

13TH BODY PULLED FROM SNOW IN EVEREST AVALANCHE
Apr 19,`14 -- Search teams recovered a 13th body Saturday from the snow and ice covering a dangerous climbing pass on Mount Everest, where an avalanche a day earlier swept over a group of Sherpa guides in the deadliest disaster on the world's highest peak.

Another three guides remained missing, and searchers were working quickly to find them in case weather conditions deteriorated, said Maddhu Sunan Burlakoti, head of the Nepalese government's mountaineering department. But the painstaking effort involved testing the strength of newly fallen snow and using extra clamps, ropes and aluminum ladders to navigate the treacherous Khumbu icefall, a maze of immense ice chunks and crevasses. The avalanche slammed into the guides at about 6:30 a.m. Friday near the "popcorn field," a section of the Khumbu known for its bulging chunks of ice. The group of about 25 Sherpa guides were among the first people making their way up the mountain this climbing season. They were hauling gear to the higher camps that their foreign clients would use in attempting to reach the summit next month.

One of the survivors told his relatives that the path had been unstable just before the snow slide hit at an elevation near 5,800 meters (19,000 feet). The area is considered particularly dangerous due to its steep slope and deep crevasses that cut through the snow and ice covering the pass year round. As soon as the avalanche occurred, rescuers, guides and climbers rushed to help, and all other climbing was suspended. Seven of the 12 bodies pulled out and brought down Friday were handed over to their families in the Everest region, while the other five were taken to Katmandu, Nepal's capital. Four survivors were conscious and being treated in the intensive care units of several Katmandu hospitals for broken ribs, fractured limbs, punctured lungs and skin abrasions, according to Dr. C.R. Pandey from Grande Hospital. Others were treated for less serious injuries at the Everest base camp.

Mother of Nepalese mountaineer Ang Kaji Sherpa, killed in an avalanche on Mount Everest, cries while she waits for his body at Sherpa Monastery in Katmandu, Nepal, Saturday, April 19, 2014. Rescuers were searching through piles of snow and ice on the slopes of Mount Everest on Saturday for four Sherpa guides who were buried by an avalanche that killed 12 other Nepalese guides in the deadliest disaster on the world's highest peak. The Sherpa people are one of the main ethnic groups in Nepal's alpine region, and many make their living as climbing guides on Everest and other Himalayan peaks.

Hundreds of climbers, guides and support crews had been at Everest's base camp preparing to climb the 8,850-meter (29,035-foot) peak when weather conditions are most favorable next month. As with each year, the Sherpa guides from each of the expedition teams had been working together to prepare the path by carving routes through the ice, fixing ropes on the slopes and setting up camps at higher altitudes. One of the injured guides, Dawa Tashi, said the Sherpas were delayed on their way up the slope because the path was unsteady. With little warning, a wall of snow crashed down on the group and buried many of them, according to Tashi's sister-in-law, Dawa Yanju. Doctors said Tashi, who was partially buried in the avalanche, suffered several broken ribs. The Sherpa people are one of the main ethnic groups in Nepal's alpine region, and many make their living as climbing guides on Everest and other Himalayan peaks.

More than 4,000 climbers have summited Everest since 1953, when it was first conquered by New Zealander Edmund Hillary and Sherpa Tenzing Norgay. Hundreds have died trying. The worst recorded disaster on Everest had been a fierce blizzard on May 11, 1996, that caused the deaths of eight climbers, including famed mountaineer Rob Hall, and was later memorialized in a book, "Into Thin Air," by Jon Krakauer. Six Nepalese guides were killed in an avalanche in 1970. Earlier this year, Nepal announced several steps to better manage the heavy flow of climbers and speed up rescue operations. The steps included the dispatch of officials and security personnel to the base camp at (5,300 meters) 17,380 feet, where they will stay throughout the spring climbing season, which ends in May.

News from The Associated Press

A couple of years ago, Apa Sherpa predicted warming would cause this to happen - thanks for the confirmation.

You might think a warmer climate would render Everest easier to climb — fewer treacherous glaciers and snowbanks and so forth — but the opposite is true. Rockslides are increasing, and it's much more difficult to clamber up bare rocks than to use metal crampons on thick ice. The conditions are deteriorating so much that the mountain may be unclimbable in a few years, according to Apa Sherpa, a Nepali climber who has reached the summit a record 21 times.
.

Please explain how temperatures that never rise above -20C are causing the ice to melt

 

[Star]

Yeah, Discovery is much more credible than Popular Science!

What do rightwingers say when they can't articulate their position without looking inarticulate? -- "Yeah, Discovery is much more credible than Popular Science!"

"Water is the most precious commodity here.
People are fighting each other for it: in the irrigation season, even brother and sister or father and son are fighting over water. It is against our tradition and our Buddhist teachings, but people are desperate," Norphel, a Ladakhi native, says.
"Peace depends on water."​

A Himalayan Village Builds Artificial Glaciers to Survive Global Warming

LEH, INDIA—In the high-altitude desert of the Indian trans-Himalayas, one man is buying time for villagers suffering from global warming by creating artificial glaciers.

The ancient kingdom of Ladakh is the highest inhabited region on Earth. Wedged between Pakistan, Afghanistan and China, Ladakh consists entirely of mountains and is home to a mostly Tantric Buddhist population.

In the so-called rain shadow of the Himalayas, Ladakh receives just five centimeters of rainwater a year—about the same as the Sahara Desert. The population is entirely dependent on glacier and snowmelt to irrigate crops.

Global warming has hit the region particularly hard. Around the principal town of Leh, most of the glaciers have disappeared in the past 15 years. The snow line has risen more than 150 meters, and remaining glaciers have retreated by as much as 10 kilometers. These glaciers are now at high altitudes, far from the villages, where they don't produce significant meltwater until May or June.

<snip>
.

Holy Smokes.. I've got to quit caring about Star threads.. The sources are just so fucking poor..

Siachen Glacier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The average winter snowfall is more than 1000 cm(35 ft) and temperatures can dip to &#8722;50 °C (&#8722;58 °F). Including all tributary glaciers, the Siachen Glacier system covers about 700 km2 (270 sq mi).

The glacier's melting waters are the main source of the Nubra River in the Indian region of Ladakh, which drains into the Shyok River. The Shyok in turn joins the 3000 kilometer-long Indus River which flows through Pakistan. Thus, the glacier is a major source of the Indus[29] and feeds the largest irrigation system in the world.

Glacial retreat[edit]
Preliminary findings of a survey by Pakistan Meteorological Department in 2007 revealed that the Siachen glacier has been retreating for the past 30 years and is melting at an alarming rate.[32] The study of satellite images of the glacier showed that the glacier is retreating at a rate of about 110 meters a year and that the glacier size has decreased by almost 35 percent.[29][33] In an eleven-year period, the glacier had receded nearly 800 meters,[34] and in seventeen years about 1700 meters. It is predicted that the glaciers of the Siachen region will be reduced to about one-fifth of their current size by 2035.[35] In the twenty-nine-year period 1929–1958, well before the military occupation, the glacial retreat was recorded to be about 914 meters.[36] One of the reasons cited for the recent glacial retreat is chemical blasting, done for constructing camps and posts.[37] In 2001 India laid oil pipelines (about 250 kilometers long) inside the glacier to supply kerosene and aviation fuel to the outposts from base camps.[37][38] As of 2007, the temperature rise at Siachen was estimated at 0.2 degree Celsius annually, causing melting, avalanches, and crevasses in the glacier.[39]

Waste dumping[edit]
The waste produced by the troops stationed there is dumped in the crevasses of the glacier. Mountaineers who visited the area while on climbing expeditions witnessed large amount of garbage, empty ammunition shells, parachutes etc. dumped on the glacier, that neither decomposes nor can be burned because of the extreme climatic conditions.[40] About 1000 kilograms of waste is produced and dumped in glacial crevasses daily by the Indian forces.[32] The Indian army is said to have planned a "Green Siachen, Clean Siachen" campaign to airlift the garbage from the glacier, and to use biodigestors for biodegradable waste in the absence of oxygen and freezing temperatures.[41] Almost forty percent (40%) of the waste left at the glacier is of plastic and metal composition, including toxins such as cobalt, cadmium and chromium that eventually affect the water of the Shyok River (which ultimately enters the Indus River near Skardu.) The Indus is used for drinking and irrigation.[42][43]

First off -- if there is 35 FEET of snowfall on this glacier each winter -- who the hell cares about the ICE !!! Build a freaking RESERVOIR.. But the Paki and Indys have been fighting so hard over this area --- THAT'S not gonna happen..

Secondly --- Quit crying to me about 0.5degC of GW effect on this glacier when the idiots fighting over it have PIPELINES HEATING it right on top of it. Screw them and their poor enviro judgement. Not my problem. And the toxic waste and military garbage.. And you want me to shed tears????????????????????????????????????????

You really got to change your reading list Star -- it's not doing you much justice..

Poor little thing, you're breaking my heart.
You don't have the self-discipline to quit me, but g'head make my day - prove me wrong.
.

 

[Stephanie]

Well, the poor things are us because you won't quit with the sky is falling, we're all going to DIE and people might not be able to climb some damn mountain...

What's to beat when all you do is post other people works and fear mongering

this case, popular science

 

[strollingbones]

the sherpas were killed setting ropes below the ice falls.....people die on everest for a lot of reasons...you do realize most are killed on the way down and not on the way up? when you can pay xxx amounts and be hauled up a mountain it is hardly a true adventure...

https://www.google.com/search?q=cro...ls-articles%2Fcrowds-on-mt-everest%2F;472;327

 

[westwall]

What do rightwingers say when they can't articulate their position without looking inarticulate? -- "Yeah, Discovery is much more credible than Popular Science!"

"Water is the most precious commodity here.
People are fighting each other for it: in the irrigation season, even brother and sister or father and son are fighting over water. It is against our tradition and our Buddhist teachings, but people are desperate," Norphel, a Ladakhi native, says.
"Peace depends on water."​

A Himalayan Village Builds Artificial Glaciers to Survive Global Warming

LEH, INDIA&#8212;In the high-altitude desert of the Indian trans-Himalayas, one man is buying time for villagers suffering from global warming by creating artificial glaciers.

The ancient kingdom of Ladakh is the highest inhabited region on Earth. Wedged between Pakistan, Afghanistan and China, Ladakh consists entirely of mountains and is home to a mostly Tantric Buddhist population.

In the so-called rain shadow of the Himalayas, Ladakh receives just five centimeters of rainwater a year&#8212;about the same as the Sahara Desert. The population is entirely dependent on glacier and snowmelt to irrigate crops.

Global warming has hit the region particularly hard. Around the principal town of Leh, most of the glaciers have disappeared in the past 15 years. The snow line has risen more than 150 meters, and remaining glaciers have retreated by as much as 10 kilometers. These glaciers are now at high altitudes, far from the villages, where they don't produce significant meltwater until May or June.

<snip>
.

Holy Smokes.. I've got to quit caring about Star threads.. The sources are just so fucking poor..

Siachen Glacier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The average winter snowfall is more than 1000 cm(35 ft) and temperatures can dip to &#8722;50 °C (&#8722;58 °F). Including all tributary glaciers, the Siachen Glacier system covers about 700 km2 (270 sq mi).

The glacier's melting waters are the main source of the Nubra River in the Indian region of Ladakh, which drains into the Shyok River. The Shyok in turn joins the 3000 kilometer-long Indus River which flows through Pakistan. Thus, the glacier is a major source of the Indus[29] and feeds the largest irrigation system in the world.

Glacial retreat[edit]
Preliminary findings of a survey by Pakistan Meteorological Department in 2007 revealed that the Siachen glacier has been retreating for the past 30 years and is melting at an alarming rate.[32] The study of satellite images of the glacier showed that the glacier is retreating at a rate of about 110 meters a year and that the glacier size has decreased by almost 35 percent.[29][33] In an eleven-year period, the glacier had receded nearly 800 meters,[34] and in seventeen years about 1700 meters. It is predicted that the glaciers of the Siachen region will be reduced to about one-fifth of their current size by 2035.[35] In the twenty-nine-year period 1929&#8211;1958, well before the military occupation, the glacial retreat was recorded to be about 914 meters.[36] One of the reasons cited for the recent glacial retreat is chemical blasting, done for constructing camps and posts.[37] In 2001 India laid oil pipelines (about 250 kilometers long) inside the glacier to supply kerosene and aviation fuel to the outposts from base camps.[37][38] As of 2007, the temperature rise at Siachen was estimated at 0.2 degree Celsius annually, causing melting, avalanches, and crevasses in the glacier.[39]

Waste dumping[edit]
The waste produced by the troops stationed there is dumped in the crevasses of the glacier. Mountaineers who visited the area while on climbing expeditions witnessed large amount of garbage, empty ammunition shells, parachutes etc. dumped on the glacier, that neither decomposes nor can be burned because of the extreme climatic conditions.[40] About 1000 kilograms of waste is produced and dumped in glacial crevasses daily by the Indian forces.[32] The Indian army is said to have planned a "Green Siachen, Clean Siachen" campaign to airlift the garbage from the glacier, and to use biodigestors for biodegradable waste in the absence of oxygen and freezing temperatures.[41] Almost forty percent (40%) of the waste left at the glacier is of plastic and metal composition, including toxins such as cobalt, cadmium and chromium that eventually affect the water of the Shyok River (which ultimately enters the Indus River near Skardu.) The Indus is used for drinking and irrigation.[42][43]

First off -- if there is 35 FEET of snowfall on this glacier each winter -- who the hell cares about the ICE !!! Build a freaking RESERVOIR.. But the Paki and Indys have been fighting so hard over this area --- THAT'S not gonna happen..

Secondly --- Quit crying to me about 0.5degC of GW effect on this glacier when the idiots fighting over it have PIPELINES HEATING it right on top of it. Screw them and their poor enviro judgement. Not my problem. And the toxic waste and military garbage.. And you want me to shed tears????????????????????????????????????????

You really got to change your reading list Star -- it's not doing you much justice..

Poor little thing, you're breaking my heart.
You don't have the self-discipline to quit me, but g'head make my day - prove me wrong.
.

Already did. How does anything melt when it's -20C? Here is what Everest looks like these days. the days of the responsible climbers is long gone, replaced by the adventure vacation twerps who respect nothing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nt-scale-Mount-Everest-mess-doesnt-count.html

 

[flacaltenn]

What do rightwingers say when they can't articulate their position without looking inarticulate? -- "Yeah, Discovery is much more credible than Popular Science!"

"Water is the most precious commodity here.
People are fighting each other for it: in the irrigation season, even brother and sister or father and son are fighting over water. It is against our tradition and our Buddhist teachings, but people are desperate," Norphel, a Ladakhi native, says.
"Peace depends on water."​

A Himalayan Village Builds Artificial Glaciers to Survive Global Warming

LEH, INDIA—In the high-altitude desert of the Indian trans-Himalayas, one man is buying time for villagers suffering from global warming by creating artificial glaciers.

The ancient kingdom of Ladakh is the highest inhabited region on Earth. Wedged between Pakistan, Afghanistan and China, Ladakh consists entirely of mountains and is home to a mostly Tantric Buddhist population.

In the so-called rain shadow of the Himalayas, Ladakh receives just five centimeters of rainwater a year—about the same as the Sahara Desert. The population is entirely dependent on glacier and snowmelt to irrigate crops.

Global warming has hit the region particularly hard. Around the principal town of Leh, most of the glaciers have disappeared in the past 15 years. The snow line has risen more than 150 meters, and remaining glaciers have retreated by as much as 10 kilometers. These glaciers are now at high altitudes, far from the villages, where they don't produce significant meltwater until May or June.

<snip>
.

Holy Smokes.. I've got to quit caring about Star threads.. The sources are just so fucking poor..

Siachen Glacier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The average winter snowfall is more than 1000 cm(35 ft) and temperatures can dip to &#8722;50 °C (&#8722;58 °F). Including all tributary glaciers, the Siachen Glacier system covers about 700 km2 (270 sq mi).

The glacier's melting waters are the main source of the Nubra River in the Indian region of Ladakh, which drains into the Shyok River. The Shyok in turn joins the 3000 kilometer-long Indus River which flows through Pakistan. Thus, the glacier is a major source of the Indus[29] and feeds the largest irrigation system in the world.

Glacial retreat[edit]
Preliminary findings of a survey by Pakistan Meteorological Department in 2007 revealed that the Siachen glacier has been retreating for the past 30 years and is melting at an alarming rate.[32] The study of satellite images of the glacier showed that the glacier is retreating at a rate of about 110 meters a year and that the glacier size has decreased by almost 35 percent.[29][33] In an eleven-year period, the glacier had receded nearly 800 meters,[34] and in seventeen years about 1700 meters. It is predicted that the glaciers of the Siachen region will be reduced to about one-fifth of their current size by 2035.[35] In the twenty-nine-year period 1929–1958, well before the military occupation, the glacial retreat was recorded to be about 914 meters.[36] One of the reasons cited for the recent glacial retreat is chemical blasting, done for constructing camps and posts.[37] In 2001 India laid oil pipelines (about 250 kilometers long) inside the glacier to supply kerosene and aviation fuel to the outposts from base camps.[37][38] As of 2007, the temperature rise at Siachen was estimated at 0.2 degree Celsius annually, causing melting, avalanches, and crevasses in the glacier.[39]

Waste dumping[edit]
The waste produced by the troops stationed there is dumped in the crevasses of the glacier. Mountaineers who visited the area while on climbing expeditions witnessed large amount of garbage, empty ammunition shells, parachutes etc. dumped on the glacier, that neither decomposes nor can be burned because of the extreme climatic conditions.[40] About 1000 kilograms of waste is produced and dumped in glacial crevasses daily by the Indian forces.[32] The Indian army is said to have planned a "Green Siachen, Clean Siachen" campaign to airlift the garbage from the glacier, and to use biodigestors for biodegradable waste in the absence of oxygen and freezing temperatures.[41] Almost forty percent (40%) of the waste left at the glacier is of plastic and metal composition, including toxins such as cobalt, cadmium and chromium that eventually affect the water of the Shyok River (which ultimately enters the Indus River near Skardu.) The Indus is used for drinking and irrigation.[42][43]

First off -- if there is 35 FEET of snowfall on this glacier each winter -- who the hell cares about the ICE !!! Build a freaking RESERVOIR.. But the Paki and Indys have been fighting so hard over this area --- THAT'S not gonna happen..

Secondly --- Quit crying to me about 0.5degC of GW effect on this glacier when the idiots fighting over it have PIPELINES HEATING it right on top of it. Screw them and their poor enviro judgement. Not my problem. And the toxic waste and military garbage.. And you want me to shed tears????????????????????????????????????????

You really got to change your reading list Star -- it's not doing you much justice..

Poor little thing, you're breaking my heart.
You don't have the self-discipline to quit me, but g'head make my day - prove me wrong.
.

Can't quit ya Star.. It's too damn sad.. Without all this massive hysteria, my days would be much duller.. Go tell the Indians to dismantle the pipelines running down the back of that glacier and build those citizens a proper reservoir to collect the 35 FEET of snowfall..

And quit crying about how this is all about 0.5degC from Global Warming..

 

[Antares]

What do rightwingers say when they can't articulate their position without looking inarticulate? -- "Yeah, Discovery is much more credible than Popular Science!"

"Water is the most precious commodity here.
People are fighting each other for it: in the irrigation season, even brother and sister or father and son are fighting over water. It is against our tradition and our Buddhist teachings, but people are desperate," Norphel, a Ladakhi native, says.
"Peace depends on water."​

A Himalayan Village Builds Artificial Glaciers to Survive Global Warming

LEH, INDIA—In the high-altitude desert of the Indian trans-Himalayas, one man is buying time for villagers suffering from global warming by creating artificial glaciers.

The ancient kingdom of Ladakh is the highest inhabited region on Earth. Wedged between Pakistan, Afghanistan and China, Ladakh consists entirely of mountains and is home to a mostly Tantric Buddhist population.

In the so-called rain shadow of the Himalayas, Ladakh receives just five centimeters of rainwater a year—about the same as the Sahara Desert. The population is entirely dependent on glacier and snowmelt to irrigate crops.

Global warming has hit the region particularly hard. Around the principal town of Leh, most of the glaciers have disappeared in the past 15 years. The snow line has risen more than 150 meters, and remaining glaciers have retreated by as much as 10 kilometers. These glaciers are now at high altitudes, far from the villages, where they don't produce significant meltwater until May or June.

<snip>
.

Holy Smokes.. I've got to quit caring about Star threads.. The sources are just so fucking poor..

Siachen Glacier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The average winter snowfall is more than 1000 cm(35 ft) and temperatures can dip to &#8722;50 °C (&#8722;58 °F). Including all tributary glaciers, the Siachen Glacier system covers about 700 km2 (270 sq mi).

The glacier's melting waters are the main source of the Nubra River in the Indian region of Ladakh, which drains into the Shyok River. The Shyok in turn joins the 3000 kilometer-long Indus River which flows through Pakistan. Thus, the glacier is a major source of the Indus[29] and feeds the largest irrigation system in the world.

Glacial retreat[edit]
Preliminary findings of a survey by Pakistan Meteorological Department in 2007 revealed that the Siachen glacier has been retreating for the past 30 years and is melting at an alarming rate.[32] The study of satellite images of the glacier showed that the glacier is retreating at a rate of about 110 meters a year and that the glacier size has decreased by almost 35 percent.[29][33] In an eleven-year period, the glacier had receded nearly 800 meters,[34] and in seventeen years about 1700 meters. It is predicted that the glaciers of the Siachen region will be reduced to about one-fifth of their current size by 2035.[35] In the twenty-nine-year period 1929–1958, well before the military occupation, the glacial retreat was recorded to be about 914 meters.[36] One of the reasons cited for the recent glacial retreat is chemical blasting, done for constructing camps and posts.[37] In 2001 India laid oil pipelines (about 250 kilometers long) inside the glacier to supply kerosene and aviation fuel to the outposts from base camps.[37][38] As of 2007, the temperature rise at Siachen was estimated at 0.2 degree Celsius annually, causing melting, avalanches, and crevasses in the glacier.[39]

Waste dumping[edit]
The waste produced by the troops stationed there is dumped in the crevasses of the glacier. Mountaineers who visited the area while on climbing expeditions witnessed large amount of garbage, empty ammunition shells, parachutes etc. dumped on the glacier, that neither decomposes nor can be burned because of the extreme climatic conditions.[40] About 1000 kilograms of waste is produced and dumped in glacial crevasses daily by the Indian forces.[32] The Indian army is said to have planned a "Green Siachen, Clean Siachen" campaign to airlift the garbage from the glacier, and to use biodigestors for biodegradable waste in the absence of oxygen and freezing temperatures.[41] Almost forty percent (40%) of the waste left at the glacier is of plastic and metal composition, including toxins such as cobalt, cadmium and chromium that eventually affect the water of the Shyok River (which ultimately enters the Indus River near Skardu.) The Indus is used for drinking and irrigation.[42][43]

First off -- if there is 35 FEET of snowfall on this glacier each winter -- who the hell cares about the ICE !!! Build a freaking RESERVOIR.. But the Paki and Indys have been fighting so hard over this area --- THAT'S not gonna happen..

Secondly --- Quit crying to me about 0.5degC of GW effect on this glacier when the idiots fighting over it have PIPELINES HEATING it right on top of it. Screw them and their poor enviro judgement. Not my problem. And the toxic waste and military garbage.. And you want me to shed tears????????????????????????????????????????

You really got to change your reading list Star -- it's not doing you much justice..

Poor little thing, you're breaking my heart.
You don't have the self-discipline to quit me, but g'head make my day - prove me wrong.
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Please explain how temperatures that never rise above -20C are causing the ice to melt

This you need to answer star baby.

 

[skookerasbil]

Star always has to find something to be hysterical about. Same as Dotcom........and many of the other AGW obsessed on this forum. It is the way of the far left guy......get hysterical about anything and everything. If a big cloud blocks the sun momentarily, these people are ducking for cover.......limpwristers. If the even hear the word "gun", they are diving for cover.

Im fairly certain a lot of this could be traced back to the grade school schoolyard.......the kids picked last for the team. The kids who took gay lunchboxes to school and got their balls kicked in. It is learned timidity.......very difficult for these types to do anything but avoid confrontation, but doing so all through life has been highly reinforcing, thus, the overall world view. Its like the old Italian ladies in Brooklyn who throw themselves on the casket at a wake and howl at the moon. Its all learned shit. They see a plain old thunderstorm and think they are in the middle of the filming of Noah. A bunch of tornado's swing through tornado alley and these people immediately go into kneejerk reaction that this is the beginning of the fucking end. Classic limpwritestedness. Too.....no role model telling them to "buckle up your chinstrap s0n!!". It is highly likely that for these people, their role model was much the same......freaking out at the sight of a spider. These people......their whole life becomes like the scene out of the Wizard of Oz where the witch is looking in the sky for the house to fall on her head. Same way with these limpwristers. I tell ya.....when it is a male, makes me want to fucking vomit.

 

[waltky]

Mountain climbing season called on account of avalanche...

MOST SHERPAS DECIDE TO LEAVE EVEREST FOR SEASON
Apr 22,`14 -- Most Sherpa mountain climbers have decided to leave Mount Everest, a guide said Tuesday, confirming a walkout certain to disrupt a climbing season that was already marked by grief over the 16 lives lost in Everest's deadliest disaster.

"It is just impossible for many of us to continue climbing while there are three of our friends buried in the snow," said Dorje Sherpa, an experienced Everest guide from the tiny Himalayan community that has become famous for its high-altitude skills and endurance. "I can't imagine stepping over them," he said of the three Sherpa guides who remain buried in ice and snow after Friday's deadly avalanche. Thirteen bodies have been recovered.

The avalanche was triggered when a massive piece of glacier sheared away from the mountain along a section of constantly shifting ice and crevasses known as the Khumbu Icefall - a teacherous area where overhanging immensities of ice as large as 10-story buildings hang over the main route up the mountain. Special teams of Sherpas, known as Icefall Doctors, fix ropes through what they hope to be the safest paths, and use aluminum ladders to bridge crevasses. But the Khumbu shifts so much that they need to go out every morning - as they were doing when disaster struck Friday - to repair sections that have broken overnight and move the climbing route if needed.

A Buddhist monk lights the funeral pyre of Nepalese climber Ang Kaji Sherpa killed in an avalanche on Mount Everest, in Katmandu, Nepal, Monday, April 21, 2014. Buddhist monks cremated the remains of Sherpa guides who were buried in the deadliest avalanche ever recorded on Mount Everest, a disaster that has prompted calls for a climbing boycott by Nepal's ethnic Sherpa community. The avalanche killed at least 13 Sherpas. Three other Sherpas remain missing and are presumed dead.

Earlier Tuesday, Nepal's government appeared to agree to some of the Sherpas' demands in the threatened boycott, such as setting up a relief fund for Sherpas who are killed or injured in climbing accidents, but the funding falls far short of the Sherpas' demands. After the avalanche, the government quickly said it would pay the families of each Sherpa who died 40,000 rupees, or about $415. The Sherpas said they deserved far more - including more insurance money, more financial aid for the victims' families and new regulations that would ensure climbers' rights.

On Tuesday, the government's offer was modified to include a relief fund to help Sherpas injured in mountaineering accidents and the families of those killed, and to pay for rescue during accidents on the mountain. The government said it would stock the fund annually with 5 percent of its earnings from Everest climbing fees - well below the 30 percent the Sherpas are demanding. Nepal earns some $3.5 million annually in Everest climbing fees.

The insurance payout for those killed on the mountain will also be doubled to $15,620 (2 million rupees), the Ministry of Tourism said - far short of the Sherpas' demand for $20,800. The walkout decision was made after a memorial service at base camp for the victims, Dorje Sherpa said, adding that most guides were planning to pack up and leave as early as Wednesday. "We want to honor the members we lost and out of respect for them we just can't continue," he said.

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Nepal Meets Sherpas' Demands After Deadly Avalanche
April 22, 2014 — Nepal's government agreed on Tuesday to compensation demands for Mount Everest sherpas, after the single deadliest avalanche on the world's highest mountain killed at least 13 guides.

Expedition leaders said tension was running high at Everest base camp after last Friday's incident, which has rekindled debate on the disproportionate risks that sherpas take helping foreign mountaineers reach the 8,848-meter summit. Ang Tshering Sherpa, president of the Nepal Mountaineering Association, told Reuters that although some sherpas had proposed suspending work for the rest of this climbing season, they had now agreed to resume expeditions on Saturday.

A portrait of Ankaji Sherpa, who lost his life in an avalanche at Mount Everest last Friday, is seen near a prayer flag during the cremation ceremony of Nepali Sherpa climbers in Kathmandu

However, an American climber at base camp said the sherpas had voted to head down and were packing up. “The ice doctors who set the routes say the current route is too dangerous and there are no alternative routes,” said Ed Marzec in an email passed on by a colleague, Daniel Beer, who is overseeing communications for him. “In addition, the famous Lama Geshe told his people that they should not go to the summit because more will die,” Marzec added, referring to the revered Buddhist guru who gives his blessing to Everest climbers.

Several expeditions have already been called off, including a Discovery Channel climb to launch a stunt man from the summit in a wing suit. The government said the minimum insurance cover for sherpas on Everest would be raised by 50 percent to about $15,000 and it would establish a relief fund for the welfare of bereaved families and also pay for the education of their children. “We will also take steps to prevent such incidents in the future,” Tourism Minister Bhim Acharya told Reuters.

High Risk

 

[waltky]

Global warming contributes to increased mountain climbing danger...

CLIMATE CHANGE LIKELY TO MAKE EVEREST EVEN RISKIER
Apr 23,`14 -- Climbing to the roof of the world is becoming less predictable and possibly more dangerous, scientists say, as climate change brings warmer temperatures that may eat through the ice and snow on Mount Everest.

Nepal was left reeling when a sudden ice avalanche slammed down onto a group of Sherpa guides on Friday and killed 16 in the deadliest single disaster on Everest. While it is impossible to link any single event to long-term changes in the global climate, scientists say the future will likely hold more such dangers in high-altitude regions. Avalanches of snow, rock or ice could increase. Climbing and trekking terrains would become unsteady. Glaciers may be more unpredictable. Storms will become more erratic, and the Himalayas in particular could see more snow as warming oceans send more moisture into the air for the annual Indian monsoon that showers the 2,400-kilometer (1,500-mile) mountain range.

Friday's disaster occurred at the Khumbu Icefall, long recognized as one of Everest's most dangerous spots, as the edge of the slow-moving glacier is known to crack, cave and send huge chunks of ice tumbling without warning. "It's Mother Nature who calls the shots," Tim Rippel, an expedition leader, said in a blog post from Everest base camp as many of the 400 Sherpa guides were leaving, demanding better government compensation for the high risks they take in helping climbing companies ferry rich tourists up the peak. "The mountain has been deteriorating rapidly in the past three years due to global warming, and the breakdown in the Khumbu Icefall is dramatic," he said. "We need to learn more about what is going on up there."

Climbers descend Khumbu Icefall on their way back to Base Camo after summitting the 8,850-meter (29,035-foot) Mount Everest. With its dreams of covering a daredevil's attempt to jump off Mount Everest over, the Discovery network is instead making a documentary on the avalanche, Friday, 18, 2014, that killed more than a dozen mountain guides. Discovery President Eileen O'Neill said Tuesday, April 22, the network hopes to air the film within the next few weeks. Discovery will encourage viewers to donate to a relief fund for families of the Sherpa guides killed in the disaster. Several of the Sherpas killed were helping prepare for American Joby Ogwyn's planned jump from the summit in a wingsuit. Discovery planned to show the stunt on live television

There is nothing to prove the icefall was behaving unusually on Friday. But scientists say mountaineers should assume that everything is now in flux. What makes the situation so risky, scientists say, is the uncertainty itself. While scientists are sure things are changing, they're not entirely sure how. Much of the evidence is anecdotal, and there isn't enough data or decades of scientific observation to draw solid conclusions. Rigorous glacier studies have only begun in the Himalayas in the last decade, and no one is studying snow patterns on a large scale, Nepalese glaciologist Rijan Bhakta Kayastha at Kathmandu University said.

Meanwhile, as global temperatures have gone up 0.75 degrees C (1.4 degrees F) in the last century, according to the International Panel on Climate Change, studies show the Himalayas warming at a rate up to three times as high. "You can be sure that if the climate is changing - and it is - then glaciers are changing and the danger is shifting," said U.S. hydrologist Jeff Kargel of the University of Arizona who is leading a global project to measure and map the tens of thousands of Himalayan glaciers through satellite data. "It doesn't necessarily mean it's getting worse, it just means you don't know."

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[westwall]

Global warming contributes to increased mountain climbing danger...

CLIMATE CHANGE LIKELY TO MAKE EVEREST EVEN RISKIER
Apr 23,`14 -- Climbing to the roof of the world is becoming less predictable and possibly more dangerous, scientists say, as climate change brings warmer temperatures that may eat through the ice and snow on Mount Everest.

Nepal was left reeling when a sudden ice avalanche slammed down onto a group of Sherpa guides on Friday and killed 16 in the deadliest single disaster on Everest. While it is impossible to link any single event to long-term changes in the global climate, scientists say the future will likely hold more such dangers in high-altitude regions. Avalanches of snow, rock or ice could increase. Climbing and trekking terrains would become unsteady. Glaciers may be more unpredictable. Storms will become more erratic, and the Himalayas in particular could see more snow as warming oceans send more moisture into the air for the annual Indian monsoon that showers the 2,400-kilometer (1,500-mile) mountain range.

Friday's disaster occurred at the Khumbu Icefall, long recognized as one of Everest's most dangerous spots, as the edge of the slow-moving glacier is known to crack, cave and send huge chunks of ice tumbling without warning. "It's Mother Nature who calls the shots," Tim Rippel, an expedition leader, said in a blog post from Everest base camp as many of the 400 Sherpa guides were leaving, demanding better government compensation for the high risks they take in helping climbing companies ferry rich tourists up the peak. "The mountain has been deteriorating rapidly in the past three years due to global warming, and the breakdown in the Khumbu Icefall is dramatic," he said. "We need to learn more about what is going on up there."

Climbers descend Khumbu Icefall on their way back to Base Camo after summitting the 8,850-meter (29,035-foot) Mount Everest. With its dreams of covering a daredevil's attempt to jump off Mount Everest over, the Discovery network is instead making a documentary on the avalanche, Friday, 18, 2014, that killed more than a dozen mountain guides. Discovery President Eileen O'Neill said Tuesday, April 22, the network hopes to air the film within the next few weeks. Discovery will encourage viewers to donate to a relief fund for families of the Sherpa guides killed in the disaster. Several of the Sherpas killed were helping prepare for American Joby Ogwyn's planned jump from the summit in a wingsuit. Discovery planned to show the stunt on live television

There is nothing to prove the icefall was behaving unusually on Friday. But scientists say mountaineers should assume that everything is now in flux. What makes the situation so risky, scientists say, is the uncertainty itself. While scientists are sure things are changing, they're not entirely sure how. Much of the evidence is anecdotal, and there isn't enough data or decades of scientific observation to draw solid conclusions. Rigorous glacier studies have only begun in the Himalayas in the last decade, and no one is studying snow patterns on a large scale, Nepalese glaciologist Rijan Bhakta Kayastha at Kathmandu University said.

Meanwhile, as global temperatures have gone up 0.75 degrees C (1.4 degrees F) in the last century, according to the International Panel on Climate Change, studies show the Himalayas warming at a rate up to three times as high. "You can be sure that if the climate is changing - and it is - then glaciers are changing and the danger is shifting," said U.S. hydrologist Jeff Kargel of the University of Arizona who is leading a global project to measure and map the tens of thousands of Himalayan glaciers through satellite data. "It doesn't necessarily mean it's getting worse, it just means you don't know."

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As soon as they can explain how a drop from -20C to -19C is noticeable I'll care. Until then it is mere CAGW alarmist propaganda.

 

[waltky]

Bein' a Sherpa guide ain't easy...

Poor pay, no choppers — but Sherpas still sacrifice their lives for others: Jamling Tenzing Norgay
May 5, 2014, In April, an avalanche hitting Mount Everest killed 16 Sherpas, causing a strike by the world's most famous climbing community. Jamling Tenzing Norgay, son of Tenzing Norgay, the legendary Sherpa who ascended Mount Everest in 1953 with Sir Edmund Hillary, spoke with Rohit E David on the Sherpas facing difficulties and discrimination, the attitude of climbers today — and a valuable lesson learned from his father:

Following the deadly avalanche strike, what are some demands Sherpas have presented to the Nepalese government?

One of the demands is to raise the insurance cover from Nepalese Rs 5 lakh to Rs 15 lakh. They have asked for a better pay cheque; presently, a Sherpa gets $3,000 to $5,000 inclusive of equipment allowances for two months. But the Nepalese government makes a lot of money from the royalty of Mount Everest. A western climber has to pay $10,000 to get permission to climb the mountain — the Sherpa community wants 5% of this royalty money to be given to them. The Sherpas also want to be covered under helicopter rescue operations if they meet with an accident — presently, only western climbers can avail this facility.

What are the difficulties faced by Sherpas on a routine basis?

To prepare the route for climbers, Sherpas go through the ice fall at least 20 to 30 times each season. Any Sherpa carries 20 to 40 kg of luggage on their backs, which includes oxygen tanks, food, tents and personal items. The Sherpas also make tea and food for the climbers. Nowadays, some adventure companies employ western guides who accompany groups to the Everest. These sophisticated guides get paid anything between $15,000 and $20,000 — in comparison to the minimal $3,000 to $5,000 given to a Sherpa.

How has the attitude of climbers changed since your father Tenzing Norgay first climbed the mountain?

In the 1950s, people who used to go on expeditions to climb the Everest were explorers. They were passionate towards what they did. They all worked together — the British climbers also carried the load and helped find the way to the top. Now, the attitude of western climbers has completely changed. They sit back on the mountain and have coffee while the Sherpas do all the work. The one thing which hasn't changed is the role of the Sherpas — they are ready to sacrifice their lives to save a climber who's in danger.

Is pollution also a severe problem hurting the Everest?

There is a saying that wherever human beings go, they make a mess — this is exactly what's happened on the Everest. Today, one spots a lot of debris, bottles, oxygen cylinders, bags and even bodies on the world's highest mountain. However, things have started to change now. The Sagarmatha Pollution Control Committee's been formed via which climbers are asked to bring back eight kilos of rubbish from the Everest.

Could you share an important lesson you learned from your father?

Well, he taught me to climb a mountain as a journey and never give up. He started climbing the Everest in 1935 and finally achieved his aim only in 1953 — he failed six times but on the seventh occasion, he finally succeeded.

Poor pay, no choppers ? but Sherpas still sacrifice their lives for others: Jamling Tenzing Norgay - The Times of India

 

[CrusaderFrank]

AGWCult believes anything and everything. Several people have already asked how a drop in temperature to -19C melts ice and all we get is drool

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[Stephanie]

AGWCult believes anything and everything. Several people have already asked how a drop in temperature to -19C melts ice and all we get is drool

Sent from smartphone using my wits and Taptalk

P.T Barnum was right..

globull warming has become a CULT. I just hope they stay away from Jim Jones (globull warming) Kool-aide