Climate Change Science Poised to Enter Nation's Classrooms

[Dubya]

So libs believe science proves there's global warming, but if the same science says life begins at conception....well...that's a different story.

You're on the wrong thread. Observation says it's warming and has been saying it.

 

[pjnlsn]

So libs believe science proves there's global warming, but if the same science says life begins at conception....well...that's a different story.

I'm pretty sure the issue around that topic is how one should act with regards to said life, not what an embryo is, to put it simply.

 

[Obamanation]

hypocrites...

The left can not exist without hypocracy!!

Pretty sad really...

 

[saveliberty]

Gosh....look at how hot it got 7,000 years ago....
i bet they had to really tax the hell out of the people back then for their CO2 emissions....

Mm. But isn't the question whether or not humans have an impact on the environment? Even you seem to be mostly motivated by the specter of increased taxes, or something of that nature.

Certainly all the information we possess doesn't indicate that humans are the sole cause of warming, and I don't know how anyone could think so, but rather, like many things, that it is a combination.

Other aspects of this topic are less certain, but still iirc have been demonstrated within a given margin for error, but what is known is that by the actions of humans, temperature are higher than they would have otherwise been.

Then a scientific model should be able to predict the exact result of increases or decreases in CO2 output, which they have been unable to do with their flawed hypothesis. Certainly we should not see a cooling, which it appears has started.

Global average temperature anomalies that jumped almost three tenths of a degree Celsius from December 2013 to January 2013, fell by more than three tenths through February, according to Dr. John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. The cooling was especially pronounced in the Southern hemisphere, where temperatures dropped from 0.45 C (0.81 degrees F) warmer than seasonal norms in January to 0.02 C (about 0.036 F) cooler than seasonal norms in February.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/07/global-temperature-trend-update-february

 

[Old Rocks]

Now have a look at this graph. It is by a climate skeptic, Dr. Roy Spencer;

UAH Global Temperature Update for February, 2013: +0.18 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD

Note that the previous times that natural variation has resulted in a temporary drop in temperature. But it has always come back higher, and will again.

 

[thereisnospoon]

New national science standards that make the teaching of global warming part of the public school curriculum are slated to be released this month, potentially ending an era in which climate skepticism has been allowed to seep into the nation's classrooms.

The Next Generation Science Standards were developed by the National Research Council, the National Science Teachers Association, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the nonprofit Achieve and more than two dozen states. The latest draft recommends that educators teach the evidence for man-made climate change starting as early as elementary school and incorporate it into all science classes, ranging from earth science to chemistry. By eighth grade, students should understand that "human activities, such as the release of greenhouse gases from burning fossil fuels, are major factors in the current rise in Earth’s mean surface temperature (global warming)," the standards say.

Climate Change Science Poised to Enter Nation's Classrooms | InsideClimate News

Great. This administration cannot ram their climate change down the throats of the grownups. So now they want to indoctrinate our kids with their junk science and out right lies.
This is terrible.
If anyone questions the desire for alternatives to the government schools, they are idiots or they have a political or selfish financial agenda.
Every year, the number of kids home schooled, sent to Charter Schools or enrolled in private schools increases. Teacher's unions and educrats who enrich themselves off the captive system have been fighting alternatives to public education for decades.
These people need to be beaten at their game.

It's not the administration's climate change. It's the planet's climate change. The administration is merely acting in a responsible manner (at least I hope they are) to a perceived threat to our future. And just as I would expect politicians to listen to experts who have more knowledge than they do about a subject in a particular field of study (that's why they have advisers, after all), I expect politicians to listen to scientists about climate change science.

No it is NOT...This climate change nonsense is just a political ploy to create new taxes and more government control.
An example of this is Cap and Trade. That program does NOTHING to reduce pollutants. It simply taxes companies that do pollute more than the EPA deems a comfortable amount.
The idea was to force businesses to squabble among themselves while the federal government charges them to squabble.
None of you climate change people will even touch the question as to why during the 13th and 14th centuries there was a dramatic rise in the Earth's average temperature. There are mounds of records that indicate winters with no snowfall in northern Europe. Unending growing seasons, etc. Must have been all those cows farting or something like that.

This entire climate change thing is a political agenda. Case closed.

 

[thereisnospoon]

All of you people who agree with the left wing on this climate change theory are all hypocrites.
If you use ANY petroleum product, drive a gasoline or diesel powered vehicle, use mass transit, take air travel, own clothing made with synthetic fabrics, have a home that is coated with paint, used a fertilizer for the lawn or any one of millions of products which originate as a dead dinosaur.....You talk the talk but refuse to walk the walk...
That Barack Obama is the biggest hypocrite of all. he needs 20 vehicles to go have dinner with some politicians. He blows tens of thousands of pounds of fuel so he can go play golf with Tiger Woods.
The now discredited Al Gore ran around the globe in a private jet screeching about the poor polar bears, lives in a house that burns as much energy as 25 regular houses AND he sells his no ratings satellite tv channel to........A fucking oil producing Arab country.
Spin that, genius.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Now have a look at this graph. It is by a climate skeptic, Dr. Roy Spencer;

UAH Global Temperature Update for February, 2013: +0.18 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD

Note that the previous times that natural variation has resulted in a temporary drop in temperature. But it has always come back higher, and will again.

Bullshit... The US for the year 2013 is BELOW normal temps for Jan and Feb..Northern Europe has just experienced ANOTHER large snowstorm.
For the last few days while the world awaited the election of a new Pontiff, people in St Peter's Square froze their Rosary Beads off with temps in the 40's and rain.
For Christ's sake last month a professional golf tournament in Tucson AZ was SNOWED OUT. In the God damned desert....During the 5 day event, the high temp never got over 50 degrees. The normal high is in the low 70's...

 

[thereisnospoon]

So libs believe science proves there's global warming, but if the same science says life begins at conception....well...that's a different story.

You're on the wrong thread. Observation says it's warming and has been saying it.

NASA did a three year study that concluded the Earth's average temperature over the last 100 years rose by a grand total of 1.8* C....When pressed to determine if the reason was human activity, the scientists stated there was no conclusive data which indicated the cause of the rise in temps was due to human activity.
Of course this infuriated the global warming crowd in DC which paid for the study for the express purpose of a predetermined conclusion.
Then we have that university over in England which was caught red handed falsifying some data and burying other information which was not favorable to a global warming conclusion.
And lastly, since the EU went forward with these so called carbon taxes, there has been NO data to indicate the taxes are helping in any way to stop the ever so slight rise in planetary temperature. Further evidence that this entire global warming thing is a lot of who shot John.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Here is an example of how the Earth balances itself. This is very easy..
When strong high pressure over the Atlantic Ocean is centered at about 30-35 North Latitude, the eastern third of the US sees well above normal temperatures for the duration of the event. As the heat wave progresses we invariably see the print as well as electronic news outlets roll out the climate change stories. Meanwhile the Western Third of the US is mired in much cooler than normal weather.
It happens every summer. Then there are what are referred to as "Omega High" systems where the central US is subjected to mother nature's pizza oven while the rest of us are grabbing for windbreakers during the day.

 

[pjnlsn]

hypocrites...

The left can not exist without hypocracy!!

Pretty sad really...

If that is, again, something about me, one's opinion of another doesn't mean something is or is not, is or has not been, true about the world.

 

[pjnlsn]

Gosh....look at how hot it got 7,000 years ago....
i bet they had to really tax the hell out of the people back then for their CO2 emissions....

Mm. But isn't the question whether or not humans have an impact on the environment? Even you seem to be mostly motivated by the specter of increased taxes, or something of that nature.

Certainly all the information we possess doesn't indicate that humans are the sole cause of warming, and I don't know how anyone could think so, but rather, like many things, that it is a combination.

Other aspects of this topic are less certain, but still iirc have been demonstrated within a given margin for error, but what is known is that by the actions of humans, temperature are higher than they would have otherwise been.

Then a scientific model should be able to predict the exact result of increases or decreases in CO2 output, which they have been unable to do with their flawed hypothesis. Certainly we should not see a cooling, which it appears has started.

Global average temperature anomalies that jumped almost three tenths of a degree Celsius from December 2013 to January 2013, fell by more than three tenths through February, according to Dr. John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. The cooling was especially pronounced in the Southern hemisphere, where temperatures dropped from 0.45 C (0.81 degrees F) warmer than seasonal norms in January to 0.02 C (about 0.036 F) cooler than seasonal norms in February.

Global Temperature Trend Update: February 2013 - Rapid Cooling - Hit & Run : Reason.com

And?

 

[saveliberty]

Mm. But isn't the question whether or not humans have an impact on the environment? Even you seem to be mostly motivated by the specter of increased taxes, or something of that nature.

Certainly all the information we possess doesn't indicate that humans are the sole cause of warming, and I don't know how anyone could think so, but rather, like many things, that it is a combination.

Other aspects of this topic are less certain, but still iirc have been demonstrated within a given margin for error, but what is known is that by the actions of humans, temperature are higher than they would have otherwise been.

Then a scientific model should be able to predict the exact result of increases or decreases in CO2 output, which they have been unable to do with their flawed hypothesis. Certainly we should not see a cooling, which it appears has started.

Global average temperature anomalies that jumped almost three tenths of a degree Celsius from December 2013 to January 2013, fell by more than three tenths through February, according to Dr. John Christy, a professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at The University of Alabama in Huntsville. The cooling was especially pronounced in the Southern hemisphere, where temperatures dropped from 0.45 C (0.81 degrees F) warmer than seasonal norms in January to 0.02 C (about 0.036 F) cooler than seasonal norms in February.

Global Temperature Trend Update: February 2013 - Rapid Cooling - Hit & Run : Reason.com

And?

I understand you need an interpretation Faither, but I'm not one of your high priests.

 

[Gadawg73]

Damn liberals, next thing they will want is for evolution to be taught in classrooms.

 

[Redfish]

Damn liberals, next thing they will want is for evolution to be taught in classrooms.

it already is, has been for many years. what planet are you on?

 

[bripat9643]

Now have a look at this graph. It is by a climate skeptic, Dr. Roy Spencer;

UAH Global Temperature Update for February, 2013: +0.18 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD

Note that the previous times that natural variation has resulted in a temporary drop in temperature. But it has always come back higher, and will again.

That chart shows that the highest temperature occurred in 1998. It also shows that the average temperature has been flat or declining since that time. It also only goes back to the year 1979. This thread is talking about the last 8000 years.

 

[Dubya]

Now have a look at this graph. It is by a climate skeptic, Dr. Roy Spencer;

UAH Global Temperature Update for February, 2013: +0.18 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD

Note that the previous times that natural variation has resulted in a temporary drop in temperature. But it has always come back higher, and will again.

That chart shows that the highest temperature occurred in 1998. It also shows that the average temperature has been flat or declining since that time. It also only goes back to the year 1979. This thread is talking about the last 8000 years.

Let's see you people explain how data from Greenland gets put on a chart for the whole world!

Gosh....look at how hot it got 7,000 years ago....
i bet they had to really tax the hell out of the people back then for their CO2 emissions....

 

[bripat9643]

Let's see you people explain how data from Greenland gets put on a chart for the whole world!

What the hell are you talking about? Satellite data is for the entire planet, not just Greenland.

 

[saveliberty]

Let's see you people explain how data from Greenland gets put on a chart for the whole world!

Your side seems to think its pretty inportant. That's were all the killer glaciers live.

 

[Mustang]

perhaps you would prefer something a little more recent chart....perhaps we'll hit the highs of the Viking age or even the Hebrew exodus period....or perhaps it'll quickly go the other way....
The average temperature in 2012 was about 58.3 degrees Fahrenheit.....per NASA
NASA - NASA Finds 2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend

Notice all the temperature swings.....today's temp swing is nothing new in our planet's history....

There were four distinct type of patterns that were noted since 600 B.C., ‘warm-wet’, ‘warm-dry’, ‘cold-wet’ and ‘cold-dry’ cycles.

Also, about every 500 years, our planet also goes through a cycle of Wide Weather ‘Extremes’. Our current cycle of extremes is been the worst in 1,000 years, since the days of Leif Ericcson, the mighty Viking explorer.

A ‘Warm-Wet’ cycle is the best cycle for global prosperity and strong leadership. During this period, global temperatures are warmer and global precipitation will be a little higher than normal. Since the 1980's, global temperatures are over a degree warmer, which has fueled the debate over ‘global warming’. However, people’s moods are usually better in warmer and wetter times which tends to ‘bullishly’ affect the stock and commodity markets. During the 1990s and early 2000s, there was tremendous economic growth across the world. With the exception of the Iraq war, much of the planet enjoyed relatively peaceful times.

A ‘Cold-Wet’ cycle does have some growth, but migrations do increase as temperatures are generally cooler than normal. However, with more moisture, many counties still thrive, but again, the ‘warm-wet’ cycle is the best one for growth and prosperity.

However, as the saying goes, "sooner or later, all good things must come to an end." Well, the bad news is that we’re looking for the worst climatological cycle, or a ‘Warm-Dry’ phase to occur. And, as we transition from the ‘Warm-Wet’ phase towards the ‘Warm-Dry’ one, we may see ‘extremes’ that will make this current cycle of ‘extremes’ look like a walk in the park.

A ‘Warm-Dry’ cycle typically means that temperatures on a global level are a little warmer, but precipitation is noticeably less than average. During this time, there are massive worldwide droughts and crops are severely strained. Studies have indicated that when we have experienced warmer and drier conditions, you often see a period of ‘bad times.’ As a result, there are usually ‘bad’ leaders, as was the case in World War II when Hitler and Mussolini dominated the European continent.

Our last major ‘Warm-Dry’ phase occurred during the 1930's. Of course, many do remember the infamous ‘Dust Bowl’ and worldwide drought and depression. This pattern completes a 102-year cycle which dates from 1936. And, if history is any indication of what’s to come, our chart says that we could see a huge stock market crash, global depression, new outbreaks of unknown disease, and perhaps, a third World War if we stay warm and precipitation levels fall on a global scale sometime between 2020 to 2038.

‘Cool-Dry’ phases are also bad, not as severe as the ‘Warm-Dry’. Precipitation is still below average during this cycle, but temperatures are cooler than normal. During the 1980's, we went through a period of cooler and drier than normal weather. During that time, the stock market hit its lowest level since the Crash of 1929. There was three severe droughts in the Corn Belt during the 1980s, 1980, 1983 and 1988. Plus, we had volcanic eruptions that particular decade and widespread political unrest. Many people that we’ve talked to have said that they would like to "forget the 1980's weatherwise and otherwise."

U.S. Weather Records & Climate Extremes

File:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So....? maybe things will get as warm as during 1100 BC....and maybe not...
(those SUV chariots really heated things up back then...)

my point remains.....

our planet has been and is subject to NATURAL swings in temperatures.....nothing to get your panties in a twist about.....despite the hysterics of Al Gore and other libs who just want to tax the hell out of you...

You mention that our planet has been subject to (previous) natural swings in temperature as if it's news which just so happens to negate a human cause related to current global warming. Neither is true. Climate scientists are well aware of previous warming and cooling trends. In fact, YOU only know about them because of THEIR scientific research. Odd that you trust their research when it comes to changes that took place hundreds of thousands and even millions of years ago, but you won't grant them any credibility regarding their insights into today's causes.

There's another factor: TIME. I don't mean time as in when. I mean time in terms of how fast. Today's climate change (warming) is happening much faster than previous periods because humans are pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere far faster than previous periods when the changes took place over long periods of geologic time. In case you didn't realize it, that's why the current spike is so steep on the graph.