Climate Change Science Poised to Enter Nation's Classrooms

[bripat9643]

Bankrupting the country vs prevent or reducing destroying Earth.

Let me think on this for a sec

Destroying the Earth?

I'll bet you don't understand why normal people think AGW cultists are kooky.

 

[JoeNormal]

Bankrupting the country vs prevent or reducing destroying Earth.

Let me think on this for a sec

Destroying the Earth?

I'll bet you don't understand why normal people think AGW cultists are kooky.

Watch the video I posted and then comment.

 

[Mustang]

Timing is poor. We are entering a cooling period, so all that hooey about human CO2 armagedon is going to sound pretty funny.

We are not entering a cooling period. We were IN a cooling period which humans have actually managed to reverse without realizing we were even doing it until the evidence started mounting up and scientists started to investigate in earnest about 40 years ago. And the last 40 years, not only has the scientific evidence borne out what's happening regarding warming, so have the temperatures as the warming has continued at an ever increasing rate.

Blather.

The Little Ice Age ended and the Earth began to warm long before the Industrial Revolution. The Earth has been warming since about 1600.

Your dates are not accurate.

From 1550 to 1850 AD global temperatures were at their coldest since the beginning of the Holocene. Scientists call this period the Little Ice Age. During the Little Ice Age, the average annual temperature of the Northern Hemisphere was about 1.0 degree Celsius lower than today. During the period 1580 to 1600, the western United States experienced one of its longest and most severe droughts in the last 500 years. Cold weather in Iceland from 1753 and 1759 caused 25% of the population to die from crop failure and famine. Newspapers in New England were calling 1816 the year without a summer.​

The period 1850 to present is one of general warming. Figure 7x-1 describes the global temperature trends from 1880 to 2006. This graph shows the yearly temperature anomalies that have occurred from an average global temperature calculated for the period 1951-1980. The graph indicates that the anomolies for the first 60 years of the record were consistently negative. However, beginning in 1935 positive anomolies became more common, and from 1980 to 2006 most of the anomolies were between 0.20 to 0.63 degrees Celsius higher than the normal period (1951-1980) average.​

7(x) Earth's Climatic History

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Gosh....look at how hot it got 7,000 years ago....
i bet they had to really tax the hell out of the people back then for their CO2 emissions....

 

[Redfish]

Gosh....look at how hot it got 7,000 years ago....
i bet they had to really tax the hell out of the people back then for their CO2 emissions....

those damn conservatives were burning coal and oil in their SUVs 7000 years ago, who knew?

 

[Dubya]

Gosh....look at how hot it got 7,000 years ago....
i bet they had to really tax the hell out of the people back then for their CO2 emissions....

The term "Before Present" means before 1950, so you chart doesn't show present warming of the past 62 years. Your chart also doesn't show global temperatures and shows Northern Hemisphere temperatures. It's been my experience that such charts don't represent the data of the study they claim as a reference. Why don't you produce the study and check the chart? The study tells you how they obtained the data and that looks to me like a GISP2 chart.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Gosh....look at how hot it got 7,000 years ago....
i bet they had to really tax the hell out of the people back then for their CO2 emissions....

The term "Before Present" means before 1950, so you chart doesn't show present warming of the past 62 years. Your chart also doesn't show global temperatures and shows Northern Hemisphere temperatures. It's been my experience that such charts don't represent the data of the study they claim as a reference. Why don't you produce the study and check the chart? The study tells you how they obtained the data and that looks to me like a GISP2 chart.

perhaps you would prefer something a little more recent chart....perhaps we'll hit the highs of the Viking age or even the Hebrew exodus period....or perhaps it'll quickly go the other way....
The average temperature in 2012 was about 58.3 degrees Fahrenheit.....per NASA
NASA - NASA Finds 2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend

Notice all the temperature swings.....today's temp swing is nothing new in our planet's history....

There were four distinct type of patterns that were noted since 600 B.C., ‘warm-wet’, ‘warm-dry’, ‘cold-wet’ and ‘cold-dry’ cycles.

Also, about every 500 years, our planet also goes through a cycle of Wide Weather ‘Extremes’. Our current cycle of extremes is been the worst in 1,000 years, since the days of Leif Ericcson, the mighty Viking explorer.

A ‘Warm-Wet’ cycle is the best cycle for global prosperity and strong leadership. During this period, global temperatures are warmer and global precipitation will be a little higher than normal. Since the 1980's, global temperatures are over a degree warmer, which has fueled the debate over ‘global warming’. However, people’s moods are usually better in warmer and wetter times which tends to ‘bullishly’ affect the stock and commodity markets. During the 1990s and early 2000s, there was tremendous economic growth across the world. With the exception of the Iraq war, much of the planet enjoyed relatively peaceful times.

A ‘Cold-Wet’ cycle does have some growth, but migrations do increase as temperatures are generally cooler than normal. However, with more moisture, many counties still thrive, but again, the ‘warm-wet’ cycle is the best one for growth and prosperity.

However, as the saying goes, "sooner or later, all good things must come to an end." Well, the bad news is that we’re looking for the worst climatological cycle, or a ‘Warm-Dry’ phase to occur. And, as we transition from the ‘Warm-Wet’ phase towards the ‘Warm-Dry’ one, we may see ‘extremes’ that will make this current cycle of ‘extremes’ look like a walk in the park.

A ‘Warm-Dry’ cycle typically means that temperatures on a global level are a little warmer, but precipitation is noticeably less than average. During this time, there are massive worldwide droughts and crops are severely strained. Studies have indicated that when we have experienced warmer and drier conditions, you often see a period of ‘bad times.’ As a result, there are usually ‘bad’ leaders, as was the case in World War II when Hitler and Mussolini dominated the European continent.

Our last major ‘Warm-Dry’ phase occurred during the 1930's. Of course, many do remember the infamous ‘Dust Bowl’ and worldwide drought and depression. This pattern completes a 102-year cycle which dates from 1936. And, if history is any indication of what’s to come, our chart says that we could see a huge stock market crash, global depression, new outbreaks of unknown disease, and perhaps, a third World War if we stay warm and precipitation levels fall on a global scale sometime between 2020 to 2038.

‘Cool-Dry’ phases are also bad, not as severe as the ‘Warm-Dry’. Precipitation is still below average during this cycle, but temperatures are cooler than normal. During the 1980's, we went through a period of cooler and drier than normal weather. During that time, the stock market hit its lowest level since the Crash of 1929. There was three severe droughts in the Corn Belt during the 1980s, 1980, 1983 and 1988. Plus, we had volcanic eruptions that particular decade and widespread political unrest. Many people that we’ve talked to have said that they would like to "forget the 1980's weatherwise and otherwise."

U.S. Weather Records & Climate Extremes

 

[Mustang]

Gosh....look at how hot it got 7,000 years ago....
i bet they had to really tax the hell out of the people back then for their CO2 emissions....

The term "Before Present" means before 1950, so you chart doesn't show present warming of the past 62 years. Your chart also doesn't show global temperatures and shows Northern Hemisphere temperatures. It's been my experience that such charts don't represent the data of the study they claim as a reference. Why don't you produce the study and check the chart? The study tells you how they obtained the data and that looks to me like a GISP2 chart.

perhaps you would prefer something a little more recent chart....perhaps we'll hit the highs of the Viking age or even the Hebrew exodus period....or perhaps it'll quickly go the other way....
The average temperature in 2012 was about 58.3 degrees Fahrenheit.....per NASA
NASA - NASA Finds 2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend

Notice all the temperature swings.....today's temp swing is nothing new in our planet's history....

There were four distinct type of patterns that were noted since 600 B.C., ‘warm-wet’, ‘warm-dry’, ‘cold-wet’ and ‘cold-dry’ cycles.

Also, about every 500 years, our planet also goes through a cycle of Wide Weather ‘Extremes’. Our current cycle of extremes is been the worst in 1,000 years, since the days of Leif Ericcson, the mighty Viking explorer.

A ‘Warm-Wet’ cycle is the best cycle for global prosperity and strong leadership. During this period, global temperatures are warmer and global precipitation will be a little higher than normal. Since the 1980's, global temperatures are over a degree warmer, which has fueled the debate over ‘global warming’. However, people’s moods are usually better in warmer and wetter times which tends to ‘bullishly’ affect the stock and commodity markets. During the 1990s and early 2000s, there was tremendous economic growth across the world. With the exception of the Iraq war, much of the planet enjoyed relatively peaceful times.

A ‘Cold-Wet’ cycle does have some growth, but migrations do increase as temperatures are generally cooler than normal. However, with more moisture, many counties still thrive, but again, the ‘warm-wet’ cycle is the best one for growth and prosperity.

However, as the saying goes, "sooner or later, all good things must come to an end." Well, the bad news is that we’re looking for the worst climatological cycle, or a ‘Warm-Dry’ phase to occur. And, as we transition from the ‘Warm-Wet’ phase towards the ‘Warm-Dry’ one, we may see ‘extremes’ that will make this current cycle of ‘extremes’ look like a walk in the park.

A ‘Warm-Dry’ cycle typically means that temperatures on a global level are a little warmer, but precipitation is noticeably less than average. During this time, there are massive worldwide droughts and crops are severely strained. Studies have indicated that when we have experienced warmer and drier conditions, you often see a period of ‘bad times.’ As a result, there are usually ‘bad’ leaders, as was the case in World War II when Hitler and Mussolini dominated the European continent.

Our last major ‘Warm-Dry’ phase occurred during the 1930's. Of course, many do remember the infamous ‘Dust Bowl’ and worldwide drought and depression. This pattern completes a 102-year cycle which dates from 1936. And, if history is any indication of what’s to come, our chart says that we could see a huge stock market crash, global depression, new outbreaks of unknown disease, and perhaps, a third World War if we stay warm and precipitation levels fall on a global scale sometime between 2020 to 2038.

‘Cool-Dry’ phases are also bad, not as severe as the ‘Warm-Dry’. Precipitation is still below average during this cycle, but temperatures are cooler than normal. During the 1980's, we went through a period of cooler and drier than normal weather. During that time, the stock market hit its lowest level since the Crash of 1929. There was three severe droughts in the Corn Belt during the 1980s, 1980, 1983 and 1988. Plus, we had volcanic eruptions that particular decade and widespread political unrest. Many people that we’ve talked to have said that they would like to "forget the 1980's weatherwise and otherwise."

U.S. Weather Records & Climate Extremes

File:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ScreamingEagle]

The term "Before Present" means before 1950, so you chart doesn't show present warming of the past 62 years. Your chart also doesn't show global temperatures and shows Northern Hemisphere temperatures. It's been my experience that such charts don't represent the data of the study they claim as a reference. Why don't you produce the study and check the chart? The study tells you how they obtained the data and that looks to me like a GISP2 chart.

perhaps you would prefer something a little more recent chart....perhaps we'll hit the highs of the Viking age or even the Hebrew exodus period....or perhaps it'll quickly go the other way....
The average temperature in 2012 was about 58.3 degrees Fahrenheit.....per NASA
NASA - NASA Finds 2012 Sustained Long-Term Climate Warming Trend

Notice all the temperature swings.....today's temp swing is nothing new in our planet's history....

There were four distinct type of patterns that were noted since 600 B.C., ‘warm-wet’, ‘warm-dry’, ‘cold-wet’ and ‘cold-dry’ cycles.

Also, about every 500 years, our planet also goes through a cycle of Wide Weather ‘Extremes’. Our current cycle of extremes is been the worst in 1,000 years, since the days of Leif Ericcson, the mighty Viking explorer.

A ‘Warm-Wet’ cycle is the best cycle for global prosperity and strong leadership. During this period, global temperatures are warmer and global precipitation will be a little higher than normal. Since the 1980's, global temperatures are over a degree warmer, which has fueled the debate over ‘global warming’. However, people’s moods are usually better in warmer and wetter times which tends to ‘bullishly’ affect the stock and commodity markets. During the 1990s and early 2000s, there was tremendous economic growth across the world. With the exception of the Iraq war, much of the planet enjoyed relatively peaceful times.

A ‘Cold-Wet’ cycle does have some growth, but migrations do increase as temperatures are generally cooler than normal. However, with more moisture, many counties still thrive, but again, the ‘warm-wet’ cycle is the best one for growth and prosperity.

However, as the saying goes, "sooner or later, all good things must come to an end." Well, the bad news is that we’re looking for the worst climatological cycle, or a ‘Warm-Dry’ phase to occur. And, as we transition from the ‘Warm-Wet’ phase towards the ‘Warm-Dry’ one, we may see ‘extremes’ that will make this current cycle of ‘extremes’ look like a walk in the park.

A ‘Warm-Dry’ cycle typically means that temperatures on a global level are a little warmer, but precipitation is noticeably less than average. During this time, there are massive worldwide droughts and crops are severely strained. Studies have indicated that when we have experienced warmer and drier conditions, you often see a period of ‘bad times.’ As a result, there are usually ‘bad’ leaders, as was the case in World War II when Hitler and Mussolini dominated the European continent.

Our last major ‘Warm-Dry’ phase occurred during the 1930's. Of course, many do remember the infamous ‘Dust Bowl’ and worldwide drought and depression. This pattern completes a 102-year cycle which dates from 1936. And, if history is any indication of what’s to come, our chart says that we could see a huge stock market crash, global depression, new outbreaks of unknown disease, and perhaps, a third World War if we stay warm and precipitation levels fall on a global scale sometime between 2020 to 2038.

‘Cool-Dry’ phases are also bad, not as severe as the ‘Warm-Dry’. Precipitation is still below average during this cycle, but temperatures are cooler than normal. During the 1980's, we went through a period of cooler and drier than normal weather. During that time, the stock market hit its lowest level since the Crash of 1929. There was three severe droughts in the Corn Belt during the 1980s, 1980, 1983 and 1988. Plus, we had volcanic eruptions that particular decade and widespread political unrest. Many people that we’ve talked to have said that they would like to "forget the 1980's weatherwise and otherwise."

U.S. Weather Records & Climate Extremes

File:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So....? maybe things will get as warm as during 1100 BC....and maybe not...
(those SUV chariots really heated things up back then...)

my point remains.....

our planet has been and is subject to NATURAL swings in temperatures.....nothing to get your panties in a twist about.....despite the hysterics of Al Gore and other libs who just want to tax the hell out of you...

 

[Dubya]

What is the sense in posting all those bullshit charts?

Can you even identify the dates of those previous periods claimed on the charts, because no one else can?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Bankrupting the country vs prevent or reducing destroying Earth.

Let me think on this for a sec

Once you get past the big lie, you'll look less foolish.

As soon as you point out the big lie you'll look more credible

 

[ScreamingEagle]

What is the sense in posting all those bullshit charts?

Can you even identify the dates of those previous periods claimed on the charts, because no one else can?

'bullshit' charts.....?

not any more bullshit than yours...

 

[bripat9643]

This is one of the reasons why reaching world consensus among gov'ts is so difficult. England, the US, and Australia are historically some of the worst offenders, and other countries expect US to pave the way as far a cost is concerned. Meanwhile, countries like China are NOW the biggest offenders, and we expect THEM to take a leading role in cutting back their emissions. I've only mentioned 4 countries out of about 192 countries in the world, and each country will have a unique perspective.

And then, of course, there's the problem that it's nothing but a huge con.

 

[Old Rocks]

Now one can dig up graphs from blogs of very doubtful veracity, or one can go to scientifically acceptable sources, such as this one from the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of Americal.

Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years

 

[Dubya]

What is the sense in posting all those bullshit charts?

Can you even identify the dates of those previous periods claimed on the charts, because no one else can?

'bullshit' charts.....?

not any more bullshit than yours...

You take data from one place in the world and start assigning names to period of higher temperature fluctuations and then pick different peaks in the next data and do the same. The problem is the dates are different. Another problem is it isn't global if the data only appears in one place. Another problem is it isn't good data if there is one sample being analyzed. You aren't using scientific data to prove something exists, you are claiming something exists and forcing it to exist on the data. The fluctuation could be noise in the data for all you know.

Would anyone expect past temperature proxies to show a consistent pattern with Milankovitch cycles or a steady rise and fall of temperatures? No, we would expect multiple events to influence the temperature of a region. The cause of the events may not even be known. If you expect the data to have it's ups and downs, you aren't doing science by cherry picking proxies that show a pattern of ups and downs close to what your pre-conceived notion is. If an event exists, it has a reason and a unique range of dates. You might not know the reason, but you should know the dates.

The Camp Century data analyzed by Dansgaard has a most recent year of -25 BP or 1975. They weren't even concerned about global warming in 1975, because the temperature didn't go up and stay up.

NOAA Paleoclimatology Data Sets

 

[pjnlsn]

We will try to insult you more often...

sorry!!!

The important thing, I should think, is the issue, or what is true and what is not. For example, the thread is about that which is called 'climate science,' or science involving the interactions of animals, plants, the atmosphere and the earth itself, specifically over long periods of time, past or future and probably including the present.

And that you dislike anyone in particular is irrelevant to whether or not something is true about the world.

Who said I dislike anyone?

...and, I'm sorry for not posting on topic but "Global Warming", which now his been minimalized, in an attempt to save face by the left, to "Climate Change" --- well, It doesn't really deserve our attention.

But this one I welcome in schools. I always found it funny how scientists used to tell the kids the earth was flat. It helps all people to understand that science is ALWAYS a little bit behind reality. Always learning more, but never quite right...

"The important thing, I should think, is the issue, or what is true and what is not. For example, the thread is about that which is called 'climate science,' or science involving the interactions of animals, plants, the atmosphere and the earth itself, specifically over long periods of time, past or future and probably including the present."

For example, if it's false, certainly it doesn't deserve attention. (It, as in actual science, not necessarily what politicians say). If it is true, then it might.

And while that bit about the earth being flat is a view held by many, it was my understanding that it was mostly the non-educated that held that view, at least during the middle ages. Indeed, an ancient greek philospher demonstrated that the earth is spherical, a 2 millenia or so ago, iirc.

But while nothing is absolutely certain or accurate, it should only be taught if it were true, and knowledge ought to be presented with the accompanying certainty of it, in some form, perhaps in a combined form. Even if some people compare all knowledge to an unknown but imagined standard, like to judge the commonly held views of 1000 years ago by the standards of today, or something.

 

[pjnlsn]

Gosh....look at how hot it got 7,000 years ago....
i bet they had to really tax the hell out of the people back then for their CO2 emissions....

Mm. But isn't the question whether or not humans have an impact on the environment? Even you seem to be mostly motivated by the specter of increased taxes, or something of that nature.

Certainly all the information we possess doesn't indicate that humans are the sole cause of warming, and I don't know how anyone could think so, but rather, like many things, that it is a combination.

Other aspects of this topic are less certain, but still iirc have been demonstrated within a given margin for error, but what is known is that by the actions of humans, temperature are higher than they would have otherwise been.

 

[EriktheRed]

Another unproven claim by the left being taught as fact in our public schools. First evolution, now global warming.

 

[tyroneweaver]

So libs believe science proves there's global warming, but if the same science says life begins at conception....well...that's a different story.

 

[pjnlsn]

Gosh....look at how hot it got 7,000 years ago....
i bet they had to really tax the hell out of the people back then for their CO2 emissions....

those damn conservatives were burning coal and oil in their SUVs 7000 years ago, who knew?

It's not true that humans are the sole cause, in this context, nor is it meaningful to confirm this. That is to say, you write the above like it's commonly thought that humans are sole factor.