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IN the modern era government provides most of funding for science which means politicians and bureaucrats decide which ideas get funded and which don't
In the US there may be an element of truth in this, but as I explained last week, in Europe this is not true, because government has no role in saying what research is conducted, nor does it fund research projects directly.
Universities here were set up with a system which disallowed the possibiity of governments using them for their own purposes.
It's also worth keeping in mind that plenty of conservative governments around the world were forced to backtrack on their climate change policies as the science began to build up against them. So on the one hand you claim governments only fund the research they want, and on the other hand we see governments funding research that goes completely against what they might have wanted to see.
IN the modern era government provides most of funding for science which means politicians and bureaucrats decide which ideas get funded and which don't
In the US there may be an element of truth in this, but as I explained last week, in Europe this is not true, because government has no role in saying what research is conducted, nor does it fund research projects directly.
Universities here were set up with a system which disallowed the possibiity of governments using them for their own purposes.
It's also worth keeping in mind that plenty of conservative governments around the world were forced to backtrack on their climate change policies as the science began to build up against them. So on the one hand you claim governments only fund the research they want, and on the other hand we see governments funding research that goes completely against what they might have wanted to see.
I happen to know that isn't true in the case of the Hadley CRU. It's funded by the MET office, which is a branch of the British government.
So, right off the bat, your claims turn out to be horseshit.
Man, you really drank the kool aid, didn't you?In the US there may be an element of truth in this, but as I explained last week, in Europe this is not true, because government has no role in saying what research is conducted, nor does it fund research projects directly.
Universities here were set up with a system which disallowed the possibiity of governments using them for their own purposes.
It's also worth keeping in mind that plenty of conservative governments around the world were forced to backtrack on their climate change policies as the science began to build up against them. So on the one hand you claim governments only fund the research they want, and on the other hand we see governments funding research that goes completely against what they might have wanted to see.
I happen to know that isn't true in the case of the Hadley CRU. It's funded by the MET office, which is a branch of the British government.
So, right off the bat, your claims turn out to be horseshit.
My claim refers to university research. Obviously not all research is conducted by universities, but most of it is.
btw, Keep in mind that the UK has a CONSERVATIVE government - so the idea that they are part of some global socialist conspiracy doesn't sound terribly likely.
In the US there may be an element of truth in this, but as I explained last week, in Europe this is not true, because government has no role in saying what research is conducted, nor does it fund research projects directly.
Universities here were set up with a system which disallowed the possibiity of governments using them for their own purposes.
It's also worth keeping in mind that plenty of conservative governments around the world were forced to backtrack on their climate change policies as the science began to build up against them. So on the one hand you claim governments only fund the research they want, and on the other hand we see governments funding research that goes completely against what they might have wanted to see.
I happen to know that isn't true in the case of the Hadley CRU. It's funded by the MET office, which is a branch of the British government.
So, right off the bat, your claims turn out to be horseshit.
My claim refers to university research. Obviously not all research is conducted by universities, but most of it is.
btw, Keep in mind that the UK has a CONSERVATIVE government - so the idea that they are part of some global socialist conspiracy doesn't sound terribly likely.
BriPat -
The UK is the one other country (other than the US) where scepticism seems to have taken root, but mainstream parties also have to deal with the scientific advice they get, and in this case every major political party in Britain has backed climate change science.
Even so, a Guardian poll found:
Asked if climate change was a current or imminent threat, 83% of Britons agreed, with just 14% saying global warming poses no threat.
Public belief in climate change weathers storm, poll shows | Environment | guardian.co.uk
Only the politicians at the top are conservatives. The lifetime bureaucrats are all hardcore Marxists.
Also, the claim that university research is funded by the university is almost comical.
Public opinion does not determine the facts of reality.
Only the politicians at the top are conservatives. The lifetime bureaucrats are all hardcore Marxists.
Right. Got it.
Because most conservative governments hire hardcore Marxists.
Also, the claim that university research is funded by the university is almost comical.
It's also true, and it's not particularly difficult for you to establish that yourself if you are genuinely interested.
I aren't familiar with the unit you are referring to, so can't comment on its ownership structure but it is a fact that most universities in Europe conduct independent research, and determine both the direction of that research and its funding themselves.
Again, keep in mind that the UK has a CONSERVATIVE government - hence the idea they are part of some nutcase global conspiracy is not something that is going to convince anyone.
Public opinion does not determine the facts of reality.
No, I agree, but as I explained yesterday, in many countries more than 90% of the population back climate change science because they can see it out of their window.
Politicians don't hire the bureaucrats. Other bureaucrats do the hiring. It's a like a private club. Once you gain admittance, you're a member for life. Once the left-wingers got control of the club, they made sure to exclude anyone who isn't "the right kind of person." That's also how university faculty works.
Your comments about "conservative governments" only shows how incredibly naive you are about how the government works.
You're the one running around claiming the sky is falling.Ha, ha!! This really is priceless - my God man, what a tinfoil hat-wearer you are!!!
Think what you want, I'm done. Enjoy your panic.S.J -
Perhaps so, but I am not the one going around claiming that there is a massive socialist conspiracy run by conservative governments.
It is very clear on these threads that you guys have no idea at all how universities operate, how research is conducted, and in particular how government ministries run. These conspiracy theories are just so damn funny...I don't know what else to say.
S.J -
Perhaps so, but I am not the one going around claiming that there is a massive socialist conspiracy run by conservative governments.
On every thread the theories seem to be getting wilder and wilder - now we have conservative governments staffed by Marxists and conservative governments that aren't conservative. I'm sure we are only days away from discovering that climate change was invented by Elvis and the Illuminati.
It is very clear on these threads that you guys have no idea at all how universities operate, how research is conducted, and in particular how government ministries run. These conspiracy theories are just so damn funny...I don't know what else to say.
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Action to date
• We have set up 'UK Green Investments' to start investing now ahead of the establishment of the Green Investment Bank.
• We have published ambitious targets to reduce carbon emissions, setting an example to our competitors in Europe. However, we will not put British industry at risk, so we will revisit the targets we have set if other countries fail to match our ambition.
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• By 2015, we will have invested £3 billion of public money in the Green Investment Bank, unleashing a further £15 billion of private investment.
• We will work towards a global deal on climate change to be agreed no later than 2015.
• The Carbon Price Floor will take effect from April 2013, incentivising low-carbon energy.
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Eagle -
The fact that the GOP has moved so far to the right that there is now a gulf between it and most other conservative parties around the world has not altered the meaning of the word 'conservative'.
Cameron's Conservatives have a broadly similar platform to Germany's CDU, New Zealand's National or Finland's Kokoomus - it is the GOP that is out of step with that thinking.
This does make anyone right or wrong, but claiming any of the parties mentioned here are not conservative because they think differently to the GOP is nonsense.
Politicians don't hire the bureaucrats. Other bureaucrats do the hiring. It's a like a private club. Once you gain admittance, you're a member for life. Once the left-wingers got control of the club, they made sure to exclude anyone who isn't "the right kind of person." That's also how university faculty works.
Ha, ha!! This really is priceless - my God man, what a tinfoil hat-wearer you are!!!
Your comments about "conservative governments" only shows how incredibly naive you are about how the government works.
Oh, absolutely. Because as a journalist I would never actually meet or work with politicians myself, whereas I am sure you spent a lot of time in parliament yourself.
Eagle -
I mean the Tea Party, really, and the general influence of the religious right within the GOP.
Conservative parties around the world have moved forward considerably since the days of Thatcherism, and even though not everyone likes that idea, it has been necessary for them to remain relevent and win elections. I can't help think the GOP needs to learn from that, and accepting the science on climate change is one of the bitter pills they will need to swallow if they want to win elections this century.
BriPat -
And I'm sure the messages you receive through the static on the TV really are from Elvis.
