Climate Warmist know Shite about Warming/ Climate

[jc456]

So, anyone on the warmer side got any experiment yet?

Ok all of you lefty wanna-bee's let's see the experiment that shows adding 120 PPM of CO2 actually increases temperatures. I have Herr Koch 1901 as my experiment that hasn't seen a challenge yet. Over one hundred years and still no challenge. I think that means he wins!!!!

"The arguments do sound good, so good that in fact they helped to suppress research on the greenhouse effect for half a century. In 1900, shortly after Svante Arrhenius published his pathbreaking argument that our use of fossil fuels will eventually warm the planet, another scientist, Knut Ångström, asked an assistant, Herr J. Koch, to do a simple experiment. He sent infrared radiation through a tube filled with carbon dioxide, containing somewhat less gas in total then would be found in a column of air reaching to the top of the atmosphere. That’s not much, since the concentration in air is only a few hundred parts per million. Herr Koch did his experiments in a 30cm long tube, though 250cm would have been closer to the right length to use to represent the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Herr Koch reported that when he cut the amount of gas in the tube by one-third, the amount of radiation that got through scarcely changed."

Anything other than an experiment and it is off topic

 

[Old Rocks]

The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect

The greenhouse effect will in fact operate even if the absorption of radiation were totally saturated in the lower atmosphere. The planet's temperature is regulated by the thin upper layers where radiation does escape easily into space. Adding more greenhouse gas there will change the balance. Moreover, even a 1% change in that delicate balance would make a serious difference in the planet’s surface temperature. The logic is rather simple once it is grasped, but it takes a new way of looking at the atmosphere — not as a single slab, like the gas in Koch's tube (or the glass over a greenhouse), but as a set of interacting layers. (The full explanation is in the essay on Simple Models, use link at right.)

<=Simple models

The subtle difference was scarcely noticed for many decades, if only because hardly anyone thought the greenhouse effect was worth their attention. After Ångström published his conclusions in 1900, the small group of scientists who had taken an interest in the matter concluded that Arrhenius's hypothesis had been proven wrong and turned to other problems. Arrhenius responded with a long paper, criticizing Koch's measurement in scathing terms. He also developed complicated arguments to explain that absorption of radiation in the upper layers was important, water vapor was not important in those very dry layers, and anyway the bands of the spectrum where water vapor was absorbed did not entirely overlap the CO2 absorption bands. Other scientists seem not to have noticed or understood the paper. Theoretical work on the question stagnated for decades, and so did measurement of the level of CO2 in the atmosphere.(10*)

From the American Institute of Physics, and very much on topic. The experiment cited is invalid, not a true representation of the atmosphere at all, a failed model.

 

[waltky]

Granny says, "Dat's right - it's `cause o' all dat Chinese pollution why we havin' all dis global warmin'...

Obama Predicts: ‘Submerged Countries. Abandoned Cities. Fields That No Longer Grow’
November 30, 2015 - Speaking today at the 2015 Paris Climate Conference, President Barack Obama predicted that, unless the nations of the world acted now to combat climate change, countries would be submerged, cities would be abandoned, fields would no longer grown, and there would be new conflicts and floods of refugees.

Here is a key excerpt from the president’s speech, which is available in full at the White House website: This summer, I saw the effects of climate change firsthand in our northernmost state, Alaska, where the sea is already swallowing villages and eroding shorelines; where permafrost thaws and the tundra burns; where glaciers are melting at a pace unprecedented in modern times. And it was a preview of one possible future -- a glimpse of our children’s fate if the climate keeps changing faster than our efforts to address it. Submerged countries. Abandoned cities. Fields that no longer grow. Political disruptions that trigger new conflict, and even more floods of desperate peoples seeking the sanctuary of nations not their own.

That future is not one of strong economies, nor is it one where fragile states can find their footing. That future is one that we have the power to change. Right here. Right now. But only if we rise to this moment. As one of America’s governors has said, “We are the first generation to feel the impact of climate change, and the last generation that can do something about it.”

I’ve come here personally, as the leader of the world’s largest economy and the second-largest emitter, to say that the United States of America not only recognizes our role in creating this problem, we embrace our responsibility to do something about it.

Obama Predicts: ‘Submerged Countries. Abandoned Cities. Fields That No Longer Grow’

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Concern Rising Over Massive Annual Seaweed Invasion in West Africa
November 29, 2015 — Large amounts of seaweed have been washing up on the beaches of Sierra Leone and other countries in West Africa and the Caribbean. Scientists say climate change may be to blame. Local environmental protection authorities plan to bring it up at the U.N.’s climate change summit in Paris, which starts Monday.

As Sierra Leone is trying to bounce back from the worst Ebola outbreak in history, it now is turning attention back to other pressing issues, including excessive seaweed on its pristine beaches. The problem has been apparent for the past several years during the country’s rainy season, which can last about six months. The beaches become entirely blanketed with sargassum seaweed. It’s normal to have some of this seaweed, but not the amount that’s been showing up lately. Climate change may be a factor.

Climate change impact

Edward Bendu, the acting chief environment officer for the Ministry of Lands and the Environment, hopes some solutions may come from the Paris summit. “And so seaweed, having erupted, emerged massively, along the west coast of West Africa should be a topic that should be discussed in one of those sessions,” he said. This phenomenon has also been happening in the Caribbean. Raymond Johnson in Sierra Leone is one of the scientists who has been doing research on the seaweed invasion. He says the algae relies on nutrients in the sea. When those elements are there in large quantities, the algae can then grow bigger and multiply. Johnson adds that warmer ocean temperatures could be what is causing more seaweed to make its way to West Africa from the north Atlantic ocean where it grows.

Warmer oceans

He says when oceans are warmer, that can intensify wind patterns, which then affect the speed of ocean currents. This can all be linked to climate change, he says. “If the ocean is warming, that increase heat of ocean water results in increased exchange with the atmosphere, so that increases heat flux, heat movement between the atmosphere and the ocean, that influences the dynamics of the ocean,” he said.

Sargassum seaweed blankets Lumley beach, Freetown, Sierra Leone​

This massive amount of seaweed also has those in the tourism industry worried. Even though it washes up mainly in the rainy season and tourists do not come as much then, it still looks unappealing. And has a horrible smell, says Yassin Kargbo, general manager of the National Tourist Board. “We realize it’s something that could cripple the entire tourism industry, especially the beach tourism industry, we see we need to work on it,” said Kargbo. He adds ways of using the seaweed to the country’s advantage are currently being discussed. Including using it as bio fuel or turning it into fertilizer for the agricultural industry.

Concern Rising Over Massive Annual Seaweed Invasion in West Africa

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Beijing air pollution reaches hazardous levels
Dec 1,`15 -- Schools in the Chinese capital kept students indoors and parents brought their kids to hospitals with breathing ailments Tuesday as Beijing grappled with extremely severe air pollution for the fifth straight day.

The heavy smog erased the capital's skylines with a monotonous gray and left buildings just a block or two away barely discernable. Neon signs barely punctured the gloom, and many Beijingers wore masks of various kinds to work and while walking the streets. Readings of the tiny poisonous PM2.5 particles reached into the high 600s micrograms per cubic meter through the capital, as compared with the World Health Organization safe level of 25. Some suburban neighborhoods logged levels up in the 900s on Monday. Outside a children's hospital in downtown Beijing, parents and grandparents complained about the smog's impact on small children and say the pollution has made their children vulnerable to illnesses such as throat infections and the flu. "The government is supposed to be tackling the pollution, so we need to see the effects. If in a few years the situation does not change, we will consider leaving," said Yin Lina, who brought her 5-year-old daughter to the hospital with a stuffed nose.

The pollution spike is a reminder of China's severe environmental challenges as President Xi Jinping joins other world leaders at the Paris climate conference. Factories and construction sites were told to reduce work after the city government on Sunday issued its first orange alert - the second highest of four warning levels - in almost two years. China's cities are among the world's dirtiest after three decades of explosive economic growth that led to construction of hundreds of coal-fired power plants and the spread of automobile ownership. Communist leaders have tightened emissions standards and are investing in solar, wind and other renewable energy. But the country still depends on coal for more than 60 percent of its power.

A video display on the side of a building shows a map of China amid heavy pollution and fog in Beijing, Tuesday, Dec. 1, 2015. Schools in Beijing were ordered to keep students indoors Tuesday after record-breaking air pollution in the Chinese capital soared to up to 35 times the safety levels.​

Tests found coal burning to be to blame for the bulk of the latest pollution surge, the official Xinhua News Agency said, citing Zhang Dawei, head of the city's environmental monitoring center. Power demand soared due to unusually cold weather in November. For most of that month, the capital was shrouded in persistent smog. Air quality worsened on Friday and deteriorated throughout the weekend. Authorities said they avoided issuing the highest-level alert because conditions were forecast to improve by Wednesday. Beijing schools were ordered to stop outdoor activities. A primary school in the Xicheng district on the west side sent a message to parents that classes were canceled Tuesday.

Conditions were worsened by cold air that trapped pollutants near the ground, according to Zhang, the environment official. He said pollution from surrounding areas also blew into the capital. Outside Beijing, readings for PM2.5 were was as high as 976 micrograms in the suburban region of Liulihe. Several cities in the northern province of Hebei, which surrounds Beijing, also reported extremely polluted air. Inspectors from the Ministry of Environmental Protection found some construction projects flouted orders Monday to stop work that could raise dust, according to Xinhua. Outside Beijing, reduced visibility due to heavy fog prompted authorities to close 1,553 highway sections in central, eastern and southern China, the Transportation Ministry said on its website.

News from The Associated Press

 

[waltky]

Homeless after rising seas swallow their homes...

Legal limbo awaits millions of future 'climate refugees'
Dec 2,`15 -- Farmer Ajmad Miyah has given up on ever settling down again. Three years after the sea swallowed his home on the Bangladeshi coast, he still has no property or possessions, and survives by tilling other people's fields in exchange for food. "I've accepted that this is reality," the lean, 36-year-old Miyah said in the island district of Bhola, where the Meghna River spills into the Bay of Bengal. "My house will always be temporary now, like me on this Earth."

At least 19.3 million people worldwide were driven from their homes by natural disasters last year - 90 percent of which were related to weather events, according to the Geneva-based Internal Displacement Monitoring Center. Most have stayed within their own countries, including millions displaced in the South Asian delta nation of Bangladesh. But as their numbers rise, more will feel compelled to cross international borders in search of safe haven. They could end up in a state of a legal limbo with no rights or guaranteed help.

A study in November suggested 470 million to 760 million people worldwide could lose their land to rising seas in this century if global warming is allowed to continue unchecked. The study, by the nonprofit research and news organization Climate Central, looked at global population data and sea rise projections. Some countries like Bangladesh and the Philippines stand to lose large portions of land; some small island nations like the Marshall Islands or the Maldives could effectively disappear.

Saleha, 38, who lost her land to river erosion, stands in a field that she farms with her husband in exchange for a place to stay in the island district of Bhola, where the Meghna River spills into the Bay of Bengal, Bangladesh. A study in November suggested 470 million to 760 million people worldwide could lose their land to rising seas if global warming is allowed to continue unbridled, according to work by scientists at Climate Central, a nonprofit research and news organization.​

The U.S. Department of Defense has called climate change "an urgent and growing threat to our national security, contributing to increased natural disasters, refugee flows, and conflicts over basic resources such as food and water," according to a report this year. Yet climate change does not make one a refugee, a designation for people forced to leave their home countries because of war, persecution or other violence. Someone seeking refuge from environmental disaster cannot apply for refugee status, lacks protection under the U.N. High Convention for Refugees and can be sent back to their countries of origin without question at any time.

The issue may remain unresolved through the two-week summit in Paris, aimed at hammering out a new treaty to limit global warming and deal with its effects. The U.S. is among the countries that oppose addressing migration issues in the treaty. "This is actually becoming a fast-developing disaster," said Harjeet Singh, the international policy manager for the advocacy group Action Aid International. "The world is still not talking enough about the climate migration that is going to happen."

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[waltky]

Warmer climate means more pests, diseases...

Researchers Consider Climate Change Impact on Public Health
December 10, 2015 | WASHINGTON — U.S. health agencies have been monitoring climate change for some time. So have researchers at universities across the country. What they've found might help people protect their health as weather conditions change.

Climate change is not just a change in the global temperature; it is also a change in the weather. George Luber, the chief of the climate and health program at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told VOA, "Climate change has a broad impact on health, both through the direct effect that climate change has on extreme weather – heat waves to heavy rainfall events and associated flooding, coastal storms, hurricanes -- but also indirectly, in the way that it alters disease ecology, or ecosystems that are important in maintaining a healthy environment." One example is Lyme disease, which is caused by a particular type of bacterium spread through the bite of infected blacklegged ticks, also known as deer ticks. A warming climate and changing seasonal temperatures have expanded the tick's range. "We’re seeing more cases. We’re seeing shifts northward and to the midwest, and that’s linked to changing seasonal patterns," Luber said. In the past 20 years, blacklegged ticks have increased their range from the southeastern U.S., north to Canada and west to Minnesota, which is known for very cold winters.

Scientists are seeing more heavy rains in some regions, drought in others. The rain can create flood plains where mosquitoes breed, and storms, floods and droughts can create conditions conducive to clusters of water-, mosquito- and rodent-borne diseases. Scientists expect storms and floods to increase the spread of cholera in developing countries as flooding creates contaminated water. Other research concerns the spread of malaria. A larger portion of Africa than previously predicted is now at high risk for malaria transmission, according to a new University of Florida mapping study. Malaria will arrive in new areas, the research suggests, posing a risk to new populations and will require changes in managing public health. The study also shows that some parts of Africa will become too hot for malaria.

Part of Luber's job involves preparing the public for the threat of climate change, bringing in the latest science and help the various states integrate climate change into their planning. For example, CDC’s research shows that the state of Oregon will soon experience heatwaves. Oregon is known for its temperate weather. "We work with them (state health officials) to assess their weather or climate-related risks, and through the use of climate models discovered that while they don’t experience heatwaves now, the future projections is that they will start experiencing heatwaves in the future,” said Luber. Oregon actually experienced two unusual heat waves last summer. The CDC advised health authorities to set up cooling shelters and help people who are especially vulnerable to heat. Luber said the southeastern states will be more prone to inland flooding as the climate changes, which will mean people there will have to find a source of clean water.

Researchers Consider Climate Change Impact on Public Health

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WHO Launches Global Campaign to Eliminate Rabies
December 10, 2015 — The World Health Organization and World Organization for Animal Health are launching a global campaign to eliminate rabies by 2030. The two agencies say tens of thousands of lives can be saved every year by eliminating this vaccine-preventable disease.

People love their dogs. And in most cases, dogs provide loving companionship for people throughout the world. Unfortunately, dogs are the main carriers of rabies, a disease that kills more than 70,000 people worldwide each year, most of them children. The World Health Organization says about 80 percent of people exposed to rabies live in poor, rural areas of Africa and Asia with no access to prompt treatment should they be bitten.

Dogs at Kenya’s KSPCA, which deals regularly with cases of rabies, get checked under a vaccination initiative.​

Rabies is the world’s deadliest disease, killing 99 percent of its victims. WHO Director-General Margaret Chan calls this an irretrievable and unnecessary loss as rabies can be prevented by vaccinating dogs against this disease. “Vaccinating at least 70 percent of the dog population breaks the cycle of transmission in ... dogs. When canine rabies goes down, so do human rabies deaths. Mass vaccination is by far more effective and also more humane … than rounding up stray dogs and destroying them,” said Chan. Mass vaccination campaigns also are more cost-effective. WHO estimates a dog vaccine costs less than one dollar, whereas the cost of treating people who are bitten is between $40 and $50. This represents, on average, 40 days of wages in some affected countries in Africa and Asia.

Bernard Vallat, director general of the World Organization for Animal Health, says besides endangering the lives of humans, rabid dogs also pose a threat for endangered wildlife. He tells VOA rabid dogs in Africa often penetrate protected animal reserves and infect buffalo, antelopes, wild dogs and other vulnerable wildlife. “So controlling rabies in dogs will lead also to save some endangered species, particularly in Africa is a good argument also to be developed for promoting dog vaccination,” said Vallat. Health experts agree a comprehensive and coordinated national approach is needed to run a successful mass dog vaccination campaign. For best results, they say governments must involve veterinarians in the private sector and local communities who know the people who own the dogs that could become rabid if neglected and not vaccinated.

WHO Launches Global Campaign to Eliminate Rabies

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Tibet is the canary in the coal mine
The Dalai Lama’s home country is warming at nearly three times the rate of the rest of the world

 

[SSDD]

Tibet is the canary in the coal mine
The Dalai Lama’s home country is warming at nearly three times the rate of the rest of the world

Canary in the coal mine....I'll give you this, you people never fail to amuse.

Bats: The New Canary in the Coal Mine?
Salmon and Global Warming - National Wildlife Federation
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/coalmine-canaries-face-extinction-in-fatal-trap-20091026-hgpy.html[URL="http://www.northfortynews.com/Archive/A200807gardening19_amphibians.htm"]Amphibians: Canaries in the environmental coal mine[/URL]
Are Moose 'Canaries in the Coal Mine' for Climate Change?
USGS Release: Imperiled Mussels May be Further Harmed by Climate Change (12/3/2013 11:15:00 AM)
Lobster “Canary in Coal Mine” of New England Climate Change?
http://www.climate.gov.ki/category/effects/people/
http://www.aspenpitkin.com/Portals/0/docs/City/GreenInitiatives/Canary/CAP-final without dates.pdf
The Canary in the Coalmine: Australian Ski Resorts and their Response to Climate Change - BICKNELL - 2006 - Geographical Research - Wiley Online Library
http://www.yaleclimateconnections.o...-coal-minesfacing-calamitous-global-declines/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...limate-change-scientists-suspect-9996360.html
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/climate-change-and-the-end-of-australia-20111003
http://www.economist.com/node/3375415
http://www.designtoolbox.com/project/activism-canary-in-the-coal-mine/
http://sydney.edu.au/environment-in...ugh-when-it-comes-to-food-and-climate-change/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/17/1364887/-Birds-Tell-an-Urgent-Climate-Message
http://www.foodmag.com.au/news/bees-akin-to-canaries-in-a-coal-mine-for-climate-c
http://kuow.org/post/cantwell-shellfish-growers-are-canary-coal-mine

And I can continue this list on and on and on....is there anything that climate science doesn't claim is the canary in the coal mine? This is why climate change is easily identifiable as pseudoscience....no matter what happens climate science claims that it is due to AGW... Do some actual research and look up the term unfalsifiable hypothesis....that is exactly what the AGW hypothesis is....

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

Tibet is the canary in the coal mine
The Dalai Lama’s home country is warming at nearly three times the rate of the rest of the world

Canary in the coal mine....I'll give you this, you people never fail to amuse.

Bats: The New Canary in the Coal Mine?
Salmon and Global Warming - National Wildlife Federation
Coalmine canaries face extinction in fatal trapAmphibians: Canaries in the environmental coal mine
Are Moose 'Canaries in the Coal Mine' for Climate Change?
USGS Release: Imperiled Mussels May be Further Harmed by Climate Change (12/3/2013 11:15:00 AM)
Lobster “Canary in Coal Mine” of New England Climate Change?
People | Climate Change
http://www.aspenpitkin.com/Portals/0/docs/City/GreenInitiatives/Canary/CAP-final without dates.pdf
The Canary in the Coalmine: Australian Ski Resorts and their Response to Climate Change - BICKNELL - 2006 - Geographical Research - Wiley Online Library
Corals, Earth's Canary in Coal Mines, Facing 'Calamitous' Global Declines - Yale Climate Connections
California's iconic big trees being killed off due to climate change
Climate Change and the End of Australia
http://www.economist.com/node/3375415
{ design toolbox } » ILLUSTRATION: Canary in a Coal Mine
Thinking local isn't enough when it comes to food and climate change - Sydney Environment Institute
Birds Tell an Urgent Climate Message
Bees akin to canaries in a coal mine for climate change, researcher says
Cantwell: Shellfish Growers Are The Canary In The Coal Mine

And I can continue this list on and on and on....is there anything that climate science doesn't claim is the canary in the coal mine? This is why climate change is easily identifiable as pseudoscience....no matter what happens climate science claims that it is due to AGW... Do some actual research and look up the term unfalsifiable hypothesis....that is exactly what the AGW hypothesis is....

where is Lord Monckton and the Heartland Institute LOL

 

[CrusaderFrank]

jc456 as predicted the AGWCult did not post an experiment

 

[Old Rocks]

The experiment has been done repeatedly. Called glacials and interglacials. A differance of 100 ppm CO2, from glacial, to interglacial. And we have added 120 ppm of CO2 in just 150 years.

 

[SSDD]

Tibet is the canary in the coal mine
The Dalai Lama’s home country is warming at nearly three times the rate of the rest of the world

Canary in the coal mine....I'll give you this, you people never fail to amuse.

Bats: The New Canary in the Coal Mine?
Salmon and Global Warming - National Wildlife Federation
Coalmine canaries face extinction in fatal trapAmphibians: Canaries in the environmental coal mine
Are Moose 'Canaries in the Coal Mine' for Climate Change?
USGS Release: Imperiled Mussels May be Further Harmed by Climate Change (12/3/2013 11:15:00 AM)
Lobster “Canary in Coal Mine” of New England Climate Change?
People | Climate Change
http://www.aspenpitkin.com/Portals/0/docs/City/GreenInitiatives/Canary/CAP-final without dates.pdf
The Canary in the Coalmine: Australian Ski Resorts and their Response to Climate Change - BICKNELL - 2006 - Geographical Research - Wiley Online Library
Corals, Earth's Canary in Coal Mines, Facing 'Calamitous' Global Declines - Yale Climate Connections
California's iconic big trees being killed off due to climate change
Climate Change and the End of Australia
http://www.economist.com/node/3375415
{ design toolbox } » ILLUSTRATION: Canary in a Coal Mine
Thinking local isn't enough when it comes to food and climate change - Sydney Environment Institute
Birds Tell an Urgent Climate Message
Bees akin to canaries in a coal mine for climate change, researcher says
Cantwell: Shellfish Growers Are The Canary In The Coal Mine

And I can continue this list on and on and on....is there anything that climate science doesn't claim is the canary in the coal mine? This is why climate change is easily identifiable as pseudoscience....no matter what happens climate science claims that it is due to AGW... Do some actual research and look up the term unfalsifiable hypothesis....that is exactly what the AGW hypothesis is....

where is Lord Monckton and the Heartland Institute LOL

No comment on the fact that warmer wackos claim that everything is the canary in the coal mine?.....like a few more articles...

 

[SSDD]

The experiment has been done repeatedly. Called glacials and interglacials. A differance of 100 ppm CO2, from glacial, to interglacial. And we have added 120 ppm of CO2 in just 150 years.

Sorry rocks...correlation does not equal causation...

Here are a few graphs that may help you see the light....

Anyone with the first inkling of the scientific method wouldn't try to claim anything based on correlation and yet....you do it all the damned time.

 

[konradv]

What happened to winter?

Why is it so warm in December? - CNN.com

 

[jc456]

What happened to winter?

Why is it so warm in December? - CNN.com

I didn't know it was winter yet? What date is winter on?

BTW, it's still fall.