Clinton/ Powell emails ..

[ClosedCaption]

Then he should be investigated and if found he broke any law then him and Clinton should face the courts and if found guilty they should be punished for their mistake.

Simple as that and the same for Condi Rice...

Someone political party should not excuse them from being investigated...

That created precedence.

How does breaking the law create a "precedent" that excuses everybody else that breaks the same law?

you tell me


Never mind that former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, has said he used a system similar to Clinton’s — and never mind that in 2007 Karl Rove deleted 22 million emails from a private server in the Bush White House — a matter about which the Beltway media said little and Republicans in Congress, like Rep. John Boehner, said nothing.

Here is a brief refresher on the White House email scandal:

Not long after George W. Bush assumed the presidency in 2001, Rove, his top political aide, set up a private email server for use in the White House. The stated purpose of the system — the primary domain name on which was gwb43.com — was that it would be used exclusively for the sort of political correspondence that Bush and Rove were not permitted to do on the taxpayer’s dime.

Seven years later, Bush and Rove were embroiled in two competing scandals — the Valerie Plame scandal, in which operatives for Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, including Rove and Scooter Libby, were accused of unmasking Valerie Plame, a CIA specialist in the black market for weapons of mass destruction, for purely partisan reasons, and the U.S. Attorney purge, in which Rove’s political operation in the White House was accused of ordering Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to purge eight U.S. attorneys who were qualified prosecutors and replace them with political hacks with little or no prosecutorial experience.

Rove escaped prosecution in the Libby case, but Libby was convicted (Bush quickly commuted the sentence) on March 6, 2007, at the same time Bush and Rove were under fire for purging the U.S. attorneys. During the investigation, it came to light that Rove’s server had been used to send official, non-political emails — correspondence that was required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.

Any day now I'd love to watch the amount of discomfort they will have trying to defend one and not the other for doing the same thing. LOL


Ask them, why didnt you investigate them then? That'll be a fun one to watch.

 

[Siete]

With all the scrutiny that Bush faced, if there was even a hint of reality to this argument then the left would have made a huge deal of it back then. It is just an excuse after the fact to protect their lying piece of shit that almost 1/2 of their own party can't stand.

Anyone who is still willing to support Clinton is a diehard asshat vote your party liberal with no fucking reality at all.


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one more time .... hint ( for the slow)

Never mind that former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, has said he used a system similar to Clinton’s — and never mind that in 2007 Karl Rove deleted 22 million emails from a private server in the Bush White House — a matter about which the Beltway media said little and Republicans in Congress, like Rep. John Boehner, said nothing.

Here is a brief refresher on the White House email scandal:

Not long after George W. Bush assumed the presidency in 2001, Rove, his top political aide, set up a private email server for use in the White House. The stated purpose of the system — the primary domain name on which was gwb43.com — was that it would be used exclusively for the sort of political correspondence that Bush and Rove were not permitted to do on the taxpayer’s dime.

Seven years later, Bush and Rove were embroiled in two competing scandals — the Valerie Plame scandal, in which operatives for Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, including Rove and Scooter Libby, were accused of unmasking Valerie Plame, a CIA specialist in the black market for weapons of mass destruction, for purely partisan reasons, and the U.S. Attorney purge, in which Rove’s political operation in the White House was accused of ordering Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to purge eight U.S. attorneys who were qualified prosecutors and replace them with political hacks with little or no prosecutorial experience.

Rove escaped prosecution in the Libby case, but Libby was convicted (Bush quickly commuted the sentence) on March 6, 2007, at the same time Bush and Rove were under fire for purging the U.S. attorneys. During the investigation, it came to light that Rove’s server had been used to send official, non-political emails — correspondence that was required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.


write that down dummy, errrr, davie

 

[NightFox]

apparently you're not familiar with the process ... your stupidity is showing.

LOL, Care to elaborate on the "process" or are you just going to proceed with your normal routine of making baseless pronouncements lacking anything resembling substance? After all you already kicked off this thread with completely false assertions which apparently even you realize are INDEFENSIBLE why ruin your perfect track record?

sure I saw it explained on one occasion earlier and one last night ..

send email, make copy, file copy ... recieve email, copy email, file copy .... all email storage is kept on an 8x8 floppy disc ..... floppy disc in 2016?

You're not even competent enough to dissemble convincingly, on the bright side you are mildly entertaining (for a hyper-partisan sock puppet).

 

[Siete]

apparently you're not familiar with the process ... your stupidity is showing.

LOL, Care to elaborate on the "process" or are you just going to proceed with your normal routine of making baseless pronouncements lacking anything resembling substance? After all you already kicked off this thread with completely false assertions which apparently even you realize are INDEFENSIBLE why ruin your perfect track record?

sure I saw it explained on one occasion earlier and one last night ..

send email, make copy, file copy ... recieve email, copy email, file copy .... all email storage is kept on an 8x8 floppy disc ..... floppy disc in 2016?

You're not even competent enough to dissemble convincingly, on the bright side you are mildly entertaining (for a hyper-partisan sock puppet).

in your case I can trust a liar, but I can't trust a hypocrite like you because you think your lies are true ...

 

[davecmarino]

With all the scrutiny that Bush faced, if there was even a hint of reality to this argument then the left would have made a huge deal of it back then. It is just an excuse after the fact to protect their lying piece of shit that almost 1/2 of their own party can't stand.

Anyone who is still willing to support Clinton is a diehard asshat vote your party liberal with no fucking reality at all.


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one more time .... hint ( for the slow)

Never mind that former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, has said he used a system similar to Clinton’s — and never mind that in 2007 Karl Rove deleted 22 million emails from a private server in the Bush White House — a matter about which the Beltway media said little and Republicans in Congress, like Rep. John Boehner, said nothing.

Here is a brief refresher on the White House email scandal:

Not long after George W. Bush assumed the presidency in 2001, Rove, his top political aide, set up a private email server for use in the White House. The stated purpose of the system — the primary domain name on which was gwb43.com — was that it would be used exclusively for the sort of political correspondence that Bush and Rove were not permitted to do on the taxpayer’s dime.

Seven years later, Bush and Rove were embroiled in two competing scandals — the Valerie Plame scandal, in which operatives for Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, including Rove and Scooter Libby, were accused of unmasking Valerie Plame, a CIA specialist in the black market for weapons of mass destruction, for purely partisan reasons, and the U.S. Attorney purge, in which Rove’s political operation in the White House was accused of ordering Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to purge eight U.S. attorneys who were qualified prosecutors and replace them with political hacks with little or no prosecutorial experience.

Rove escaped prosecution in the Libby case, but Libby was convicted (Bush quickly commuted the sentence) on March 6, 2007, at the same time Bush and Rove were under fire for purging the U.S. attorneys. During the investigation, it came to light that Rove’s server had been used to send official, non-political emails — correspondence that was required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.


write that down dummy, errrr, davie

Hey dumbass. Valerie Plame wasn't exposed by Rove or Bush but by a journalist by the name of Robert Novak from conversations and correspondence with Richard Armitage in the State Department. Not from a private server.

The purge of attorneys was a non-crisis event. Your own Presidents have done the same with Clinton firing 93 US attorneys. Obama did the same also. Both purged a lot more than Bush.

Finally, Rove was wrong to use a home server for government non-campaign emails but none of his shit was classified.

Write that down dumbfuck. Some of you dirtbag democrats are so full of shit that you should have flush handles for ears.

 

[NightFox]

in your case I can trust a liar, but I can't trust a hypocrite like you because you think your lies are true ...

LOL, speaking of liars and hypocrites; PROJECTION it's not just for movie theaters anymore.....


"The liar's punishment is, not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else" -- George Bernard Shaw

 

[mascale]

No enforcement, suddenly Selective Enforcement: Works against the entire Republican, National Campaign, from top to bottom.

All the various allegations tend to support the concept of "No enforcement, then no law." That is common in U. S. National history.

In Oregon, for example, self-serve gas stations are technically illegal. It is against the law to pump your own gasoline. In Waynesboro, VA, "It's illegal for a woman to drive a car up Main St. unless her husband is walking in front of the car waving a red flag." Those kinds of laws were common during the years of invasions of the automobile drivers. "Red Flag" safety laws were not confined to oversized loads. Rockets have to be set off in Pennsylvania, if vehicles are approaching animals. That's the law, not enforced. It doesn't exist, as a practical matter. Pennsylvania is of Quaker, practical origins: Like the United States.

In the email matters, clearly there is lots of lack of enforcement. So across administrations, across departments, there are email policies, but no enforcement. Democrats supportive of Civil Rights will easily recall the Segregationist rules regarding blacks. "Discrimination," too, is a concept of Selective Enforcement. Where the Black has to go to the other side of the street, when a White approaches--The White not required to move to the other side of the street, when the Black approaches: That is a Selective Enforcement pattern, clearly Discrimination. If Secretary Clinton is charged in Oregon--for using a self-service pump: Millions would note the discriminatory, Selective Enforcement. If Secretary Clinton is pilloried for practicing the common art of private email use, and in government matters--and excluding classified-marked material: Then Sexist Discrimination is clearly at the heart of the matter. Many will say that the bitch is even running for President.

The Democratic charge, and Liberal or Moderate Republican Charge, is simple. Clinton is woman, with a Trump campaign under way: Then Clearly the Republicans are going to rely on Selective Enforcement to pillory the woman, and not the Five Star, Not Karl Rove, Not a former GOP President, and not even somehow, faculty member at Stanford(?)! Just consider how many millions would be appalled to learn that anyone-faculty at Stanford--was not being indicted for something, just on its face!

No enforcement, suddenly Selective Enforcement: Works against the entire Republican, National Campaign, from top to bottom.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken Not Stirred"
(Clever how White Eyes used boxcars for transport of peoples to Lands of Many Nations. Nazi Party did have a reasonable learning curve!)

 

[Siete]

With all the scrutiny that Bush faced, if there was even a hint of reality to this argument then the left would have made a huge deal of it back then. It is just an excuse after the fact to protect their lying piece of shit that almost 1/2 of their own party can't stand.

Anyone who is still willing to support Clinton is a diehard asshat vote your party liberal with no fucking reality at all.


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one more time .... hint ( for the slow)

Never mind that former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, has said he used a system similar to Clinton’s — and never mind that in 2007 Karl Rove deleted 22 million emails from a private server in the Bush White House — a matter about which the Beltway media said little and Republicans in Congress, like Rep. John Boehner, said nothing.

Here is a brief refresher on the White House email scandal:

Not long after George W. Bush assumed the presidency in 2001, Rove, his top political aide, set up a private email server for use in the White House. The stated purpose of the system — the primary domain name on which was gwb43.com — was that it would be used exclusively for the sort of political correspondence that Bush and Rove were not permitted to do on the taxpayer’s dime.

Seven years later, Bush and Rove were embroiled in two competing scandals — the Valerie Plame scandal, in which operatives for Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, including Rove and Scooter Libby, were accused of unmasking Valerie Plame, a CIA specialist in the black market for weapons of mass destruction, for purely partisan reasons, and the U.S. Attorney purge, in which Rove’s political operation in the White House was accused of ordering Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to purge eight U.S. attorneys who were qualified prosecutors and replace them with political hacks with little or no prosecutorial experience.

Rove escaped prosecution in the Libby case, but Libby was convicted (Bush quickly commuted the sentence) on March 6, 2007, at the same time Bush and Rove were under fire for purging the U.S. attorneys. During the investigation, it came to light that Rove’s server had been used to send official, non-political emails — correspondence that was required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.


write that down dummy, errrr, davie

Hey dumbass. Valerie Plame wasn't exposed by Rove or Bush but by a journalist by the name of Robert Novak from conversations and correspondence with Richard Armitage in the State Department. Not from a private server.

The purge of attorneys was a non-crisis event. Your own Presidents have done the same with Clinton firing 93 US attorneys. Obama did the same also. Both purged a lot more than Bush.

Finally, Rove was wrong to use a home server for government non-campaign emails but none of his shit was classified.

Write that down dumbfuck. Some of you dirtbag democrats are so full of shit that you should have flush handles for ears.

showcasing your ignorance coupled with your partisan tripe, but thats expected.

 

[Dreadnaught1968]

the difference ...

Hillary

Clinton sat before Congress and testified 9 times
she released 55 thousand emails
she underwent the scrutiny of the FBI
she underwent the scrutiny of The State Dep.


Powell

refused to return the phone call when asked about them
nothing else ever came of it.


Clinton .. Democrat
Powell .. Republican.


and the Right thinks Democrats are immune from transparency, and responsibility.

Running for President:
Powell ... No
Clintoon ... Yes

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Then he should be investigated and if found he broke any law then him and Clinton should face the courts and if found guilty they should be punished for their mistake.

Simple as that and the same for Condi Rice...

Someone political party should not excuse them from being investigated...

That created precedence.

Oh for fuck sakes

First of all, the situations are not identical, so the results shouldn't be expected to be either

Second of all, failure to prosecute one person does not you can't prosecute another.

If at any time Powell transmitted classified material through a non government email server, he should be charged with a crime.

Now, prove he did so or shut up.

PS - I do in fact believe that top level government employees should not be allowed to have ANY private email addresses, but that isn't the law, and ALL indications are that neither Powell nor Rice conducted any official business through their private email addresses, in stark contrast to Clinton who actually REFUSED to use government server based equipment when it was offered to her.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Then he should be investigated and if found he broke any law then him and Clinton should face the courts and if found guilty they should be punished for their mistake.

Simple as that and the same for Condi Rice...

Someone political party should not excuse them from being investigated...

That created precedence.

How does breaking the law create a "precedent" that excuses everybody else that breaks the same law?

you tell me


Never mind that former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, has said he used a system similar to Clinton’s — and never mind that in 2007 Karl Rove deleted 22 million emails from a private server in the Bush White House — a matter about which the Beltway media said little and Republicans in Congress, like Rep. John Boehner, said nothing.

Here is a brief refresher on the White House email scandal:

Not long after George W. Bush assumed the presidency in 2001, Rove, his top political aide, set up a private email server for use in the White House. The stated purpose of the system — the primary domain name on which was gwb43.com — was that it would be used exclusively for the sort of political correspondence that Bush and Rove were not permitted to do on the taxpayer’s dime.

Seven years later, Bush and Rove were embroiled in two competing scandals — the Valerie Plame scandal, in which operatives for Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, including Rove and Scooter Libby, were accused of unmasking Valerie Plame, a CIA specialist in the black market for weapons of mass destruction, for purely partisan reasons, and the U.S. Attorney purge, in which Rove’s political operation in the White House was accused of ordering Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to purge eight U.S. attorneys who were qualified prosecutors and replace them with political hacks with little or no prosecutorial experience.

Rove escaped prosecution in the Libby case, but Libby was convicted (Bush quickly commuted the sentence) on March 6, 2007, at the same time Bush and Rove were under fire for purging the U.S. attorneys. During the investigation, it came to light that Rove’s server had been used to send official, non-political emails — correspondence that was required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.

Any day now I'd love to watch the amount of discomfort they will have trying to defend one and not the other for doing the same thing. LOL


Ask them, why didnt you investigate them then? That'll be a fun one to watch.

Once again, I repeat. They Did NOT do the same thing. There are ZERO indications that either Powell or Rice conducted government business with their private email accounts.

 

[boedicca]

The "but everybody else is doing" excuse is lame, and in hiLIARy's case, not true.

NOBODY ELSE had a home brew personal email server.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Then he should be investigated and if found he broke any law then him and Clinton should face the courts and if found guilty they should be punished for their mistake.

Simple as that and the same for Condi Rice...

Someone political party should not excuse them from being investigated...

That created precedence.

How does breaking the law create a "precedent" that excuses everybody else that breaks the same law?

you tell me


Never mind that former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, has said he used a system similar to Clinton’s — and never mind that in 2007 Karl Rove deleted 22 million emails from a private server in the Bush White House — a matter about which the Beltway media said little and Republicans in Congress, like Rep. John Boehner, said nothing.

Here is a brief refresher on the White House email scandal:

Not long after George W. Bush assumed the presidency in 2001, Rove, his top political aide, set up a private email server for use in the White House. The stated purpose of the system — the primary domain name on which was gwb43.com — was that it would be used exclusively for the sort of political correspondence that Bush and Rove were not permitted to do on the taxpayer’s dime.

Seven years later, Bush and Rove were embroiled in two competing scandals — the Valerie Plame scandal, in which operatives for Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, including Rove and Scooter Libby, were accused of unmasking Valerie Plame, a CIA specialist in the black market for weapons of mass destruction, for purely partisan reasons, and the U.S. Attorney purge, in which Rove’s political operation in the White House was accused of ordering Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to purge eight U.S. attorneys who were qualified prosecutors and replace them with political hacks with little or no prosecutorial experience.

Rove escaped prosecution in the Libby case, but Libby was convicted (Bush quickly commuted the sentence) on March 6, 2007, at the same time Bush and Rove were under fire for purging the U.S. attorneys. During the investigation, it came to light that Rove’s server had been used to send official, non-political emails — correspondence that was required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.

Any day now I'd love to watch the amount of discomfort they will have trying to defend one and not the other for doing the same thing. LOL


Ask them, why didnt you investigate them then? That'll be a fun one to watch.

Once again, I repeat. They Did NOT do the same thing. There are ZERO indications that either Powell or Rice conducted government business with their private email accounts.

Its hard to determine if they conducted govt biz with their private email accounts since they didnt turn over any emails. So yes, that is true.

 

[Siete]

Then he should be investigated and if found he broke any law then him and Clinton should face the courts and if found guilty they should be punished for their mistake.

Simple as that and the same for Condi Rice...

Someone political party should not excuse them from being investigated...

That created precedence.

Oh for fuck sakes

First of all, the situations are not identical, so the results shouldn't be expected to be either

Second of all, failure to prosecute one person does not you can't prosecute another.

If at any time Powell transmitted classified material through a non government email server, he should be charged with a crime.

Now, prove he did so or shut up.

PS - I do in fact believe that top level government employees should not be allowed to have ANY private email addresses, but that isn't the law, and ALL indications are that neither Powell nor Rice conducted any official business through their private email addresses, in stark contrast to Clinton who actually REFUSED to use government server based equipment when it was offered to her.

so stand your ground and write to your Congressman demanding Powell be investigated along with 43 and Cheney ... you damn sure had a chance 9 years ago ... where were you then?

 

[Fair&Balanced]

That created precedence.

How does breaking the law create a "precedent" that excuses everybody else that breaks the same law?

you tell me


Never mind that former Secretary of State Colin Powell, a Republican, has said he used a system similar to Clinton’s — and never mind that in 2007 Karl Rove deleted 22 million emails from a private server in the Bush White House — a matter about which the Beltway media said little and Republicans in Congress, like Rep. John Boehner, said nothing.

Here is a brief refresher on the White House email scandal:

Not long after George W. Bush assumed the presidency in 2001, Rove, his top political aide, set up a private email server for use in the White House. The stated purpose of the system — the primary domain name on which was gwb43.com — was that it would be used exclusively for the sort of political correspondence that Bush and Rove were not permitted to do on the taxpayer’s dime.

Seven years later, Bush and Rove were embroiled in two competing scandals — the Valerie Plame scandal, in which operatives for Vice Pres. Dick Cheney, including Rove and Scooter Libby, were accused of unmasking Valerie Plame, a CIA specialist in the black market for weapons of mass destruction, for purely partisan reasons, and the U.S. Attorney purge, in which Rove’s political operation in the White House was accused of ordering Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to purge eight U.S. attorneys who were qualified prosecutors and replace them with political hacks with little or no prosecutorial experience.

Rove escaped prosecution in the Libby case, but Libby was convicted (Bush quickly commuted the sentence) on March 6, 2007, at the same time Bush and Rove were under fire for purging the U.S. attorneys. During the investigation, it came to light that Rove’s server had been used to send official, non-political emails — correspondence that was required by law to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act.

Any day now I'd love to watch the amount of discomfort they will have trying to defend one and not the other for doing the same thing. LOL


Ask them, why didnt you investigate them then? That'll be a fun one to watch.

Once again, I repeat. They Did NOT do the same thing. There are ZERO indications that either Powell or Rice conducted government business with their private email accounts.

Its hard to determine if they conducted govt biz with their private email accounts since they didnt turn over any emails. So yes, that is true.

That's correct.And innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land, if you want to continue a witch hunt, then by all means, but screaming that it is the same situation as Hillary where we KNOW she conducted government business on a private email server, well then you just look like one of the partisan idiots who refuses to look at facts.

It's like if you catch one guy speeding and you say well that other guy was speeding to, no I didn't seem him speeding, but I know he was , so don't give the guy we caught speeding a ticket. It's nonsensical.

 

[Siete]

The "but everybody else is doing" excuse is lame, and in hiLIARy's case, not true.

NOBODY ELSE had a home brew personal email server.

not sure where you've been, but more than a few have already admitted to having personal servers and its been documented...

go back to sleep.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Then he should be investigated and if found he broke any law then him and Clinton should face the courts and if found guilty they should be punished for their mistake.

Simple as that and the same for Condi Rice...

Someone political party should not excuse them from being investigated...

That created precedence.

Oh for fuck sakes

First of all, the situations are not identical, so the results shouldn't be expected to be either

Second of all, failure to prosecute one person does not you can't prosecute another.

If at any time Powell transmitted classified material through a non government email server, he should be charged with a crime.

Now, prove he did so or shut up.

PS - I do in fact believe that top level government employees should not be allowed to have ANY private email addresses, but that isn't the law, and ALL indications are that neither Powell nor Rice conducted any official business through their private email addresses, in stark contrast to Clinton who actually REFUSED to use government server based equipment when it was offered to her.

so stand your ground and writ to your Congressman demanding Powell be investigated along with 43 and Cheney ... you damn sure had a chance 9 years ago ... where were you then?

What the fuck are you talking , moron. There is ZERO evidence that Powell conducted government business on a private email server, so absent any evidence, what kind of dumb fuck would support an investigation?

Fucking idiot.

 

[Fair&Balanced]

The "but everybody else is doing" excuse is lame, and in hiLIARy's case, not true.

NOBODY ELSE had a home brew personal email server.

not sure where you've been, but more than a few have already admitted to having personal servers and its been documented...

go back to sleep.

Having private email isn't a crime you fucking dope.


It should be for top level government employees IMO, but it isn't.

 

[boedicca]

The "but everybody else is doing" excuse is lame, and in hiLIARy's case, not true.

NOBODY ELSE had a home brew personal email server.

not sure where you've been, but more than a few have already admitted to having personal servers and its been documented...

go back to sleep.

Proof? Which Secretaries of State used personal servers kept in their homes for their work emails?

 

[Jackson]

the difference ...

Hillary

Clinton sat before Congress and testified 9 times
she released 55 thousand emails
she underwent the scrutiny of the FBI
she underwent the scrutiny of The State Dep.


Powell

refused to return the phone call when asked about them
nothing else ever came of it.


Clinton .. Democrat
Powell .. Republican.


and the Right thinks Democrats are immune from transparency, and responsibility.

The difference:

Clinton had a two hour meeting on archiving all emails and signed a document accepting the protocol for State Dept. Emails.

Powell did not.

Hillary used a personal server.

Powell did not.

Hillary deleted emails.

Powell did not.

Hillary said to an aide that she did not want some of her emails open to the FOIA,

Powell did not.

Stop with the comparison. It just doesn't work.