conservative case for increasing the state’s minimum wage to $12 per hour

[whitehall]

It's symptomatic of the low information left that they merely post crazy left wing stuff without thinking. Of course Huffington is desperate to turn the minimum wage a "conservative issue" but the source is not conservative so where does that leave the issue/

 

[The Rabbi]

Ron Who?

 

[OnePercenter]

Ten and twelve is not enough

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2013 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-off’s/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2013 price structure.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 10 years.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

This plan WILL WORK

 

[SwimExpert]

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr.

Idiocy and insanity all at the same time.

 

[Two Thumbs]

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr.

Idiocy and insanity all at the same time.

I asked him if he paid his janitors that when he blathered about it before.


he had enough honesty to ignore the question, but it let me know he's just full of shit

 

[OnePercenter]

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr.

Idiocy and insanity all at the same time.

Why don't you include all of the plan.

 

[SwimExpert]

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr.

Idiocy and insanity all at the same time.

Why don't you include all of the plan.

Here's a plan for you:

Step 1 - Kill all the *******.


...

You want to go on? Or are you already content that the plan can be dismissed immediately, without bothering with the rest?

 

[OnePercenter]

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr.

Idiocy and insanity all at the same time.

I asked him if he paid his janitors that when he blathered about it before.


he had enough honesty to ignore the question, but it let me know he's just full of shit

The company that provide janitorial services is a husband and wife company. Yes they do make more than $23.50/hr.

Salary ranges from $23.50/hr to $47.80/hr for hourly, and $97k to 212k for salary employees.

 

[eflatminor]

Ten and twelve is not enough

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2013 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-off’s/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2013 price structure.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 10 years.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

This plan WILL WORK

Uh, comrade, that type of central planning has been tried many, many times in the past. It has NEVER worked. You're falling prey to the six most dangerous words in the English language: "It will be different this time".

Enough of the Marxist nonsense.

 

[KNB]

You Conservatives are aware that we have a Federal minimum wage in the first place because business owners were paying their employees less than shit, right?

But now the minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation since the 1970s so people have much less buying power today. This is why one full-time job at Federal minimum wage is not enough to live on in today's society.

 

[Star]

Minimum wage workers account for 4.7 percent of hourly paid workers in 2012 : The Editor’s Desk : U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
Minimum wage workers account for 4.7 percent of hourly paid workers in 2012

The people that work these jobs are young. raising the min would force employers to seek more mature and reliable people, with work history. Allowing them to drop people from their staff.

plus companies that pay just above min would have to cut staff or pass the costs onto consumers, which also leads to a need to increase the min wage.

Your statement that "The people that work these jobs are young" is cherry picked at best, but more than likely you've just been duped by Foxtainment.
The average minimum wage worker doesn't fit your stereotypical fantasy of which hourly workers will be affected but-----but you are correct that the percentage of workers affected is small and-----and most low wage workers live in the South.






The typical worker who would be affected by an increase in the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour by 2015 looks nothing like the part-time, teen stereotype: She is in her early thirties, works full-time, and may have a family to support. Our analysis of workers who would benefit from an increase in the minimum wage shows:

• The average age of affected workers is 35 years old;
• 88 percent of all affected workers are at least 20 years old;
• 35.5 percent are at least 40 years old;
• 56 percent are women;
• 28 percent have children;
• 55 percent work full-time (35 hours per week or more);
• 44 percent have at least some college experience.

Claims that mostly teenagers would see a raise if the minimum wage were increased are sometimes based erroneously upon the official Bureau of Labor Statistics data on workers who are earning the federal minimum wage or below—i.e. workers earning exactly $7.25 per hour or less. These data do not provide an accurate picture of who would see a raise if the minimum wage were increased because they exclude all workers from the 19 states with higher state minimum wages, along with all workers making slightly above the current federal minimum wage but below the proposed minimum, all of whom would see a raise if the minimum wage were increased. Also, see a comprehensive analysis of the impact of raising the minimum wage in Raising the federal minimum wage to $10.10 would give working families, and the overall economy, a much-needed boost.

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do you know why fewer teens work these jobs?

It's b/c the min wage has been upped and upped.


damn, you are looking at the facts and are still not getting it.

Sooo, which post are you going to call yourself out on for lying, your "The people that work these jobs are young" post or-----or your "do you know why fewer teens work these jobs? It's b/c the min wage has been upped and upped.damn, you are looking at the facts and are still not getting it." post?



Craig Jelinek: "Instead of minimizing wages, we know it’s a lot more profitable in the long term to minimize employee turnover and maximize employee productivity, commitment and loyalty."
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[eflatminor]

You Conservatives are aware that we have a Federal minimum wage in the first place because business owners were paying their employees less than shit, right?

Someone was forced to work...for shit or any amount of money? Or was it a voluntary agreement, employment at will?

Further, how in the fuck do you know that what someone was paid wasn't adequate from that employees point of view? You privy to the consensual agreements between all adults?

But now the minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation since the 1970s so people have much less buying power today.

You can blame the Federal Reserve for that. The entity put into place and given extraordinary powers to create the most regressive tax of all, inflation, by the very central planners you look to to solve the problems they created in the first place.

Just how fucking gullible are you?

This is why one full-time job at Federal minimum wage is not enough to live on in today's society

Bullshit. People that work at minimum wage are not necessarily the bread winners in their household. They're teenagers looking to get their first job experience. They're part timers looking for a few extra bucks. Their elderly hoping to engage in the workplace. And they're our most unskilled, uneducated, and unintelligent citizens whose skill sets often do not justify your minimum wage, which forces them on the dole and a non-productive life of dependency.

How cruel can you be to support laws that serve to prevent these people from working at all?

Sorry comrade, you don't know what's best for everyone else and as usual, your attempts to save others from themselves only ends up doing more harm than good.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Idiocy and insanity all at the same time.

I asked him if he paid his janitors that when he blathered about it before.


he had enough honesty to ignore the question, but it let me know he's just full of shit

The company that provide janitorial services is a husband and wife company. Yes they do make more than $23.50/hr.

Salary ranges from $23.50/hr to $47.80/hr for hourly, and $97k to 212k for salary employees.

A one percenter that owns a company that only needs Two janitors.



yeeaaahhh

 

[Two Thumbs]

You Conservatives are aware that we have a Federal minimum wage in the first place because business owners were paying their employees less than shit, right?

But now the minimum wage hasn't kept up with inflation since the 1970s so people have much less buying power today. This is why one full-time job at Federal minimum wage is not enough to live on in today's society.

see, here's an idiot that proud of being ignorant and staying that way.

we explained why a min wage is bad and didn't work, but he's not learning and demands that we repeat the mistake.


seriously, he thinks your supposed to be able to live on min wage. You couldn't do it then and you can't do it now

 

[Two Thumbs]

Your statement that "The people that work these jobs are young" is cherry picked at best, but more than likely you've just been duped by Foxtainment.
The average minimum wage worker doesn't fit your stereotypical fantasy of which hourly workers will be affected but-----but you are correct that the percentage of workers affected is small and-----and most low wage workers live in the South.






The typical worker who would be affected by an increase in the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour by 2015 looks nothing like the part-time, teen stereotype: She is in her early thirties, works full-time, and may have a family to support. Our analysis of workers who would benefit from an increase in the minimum wage shows:

• The average age of affected workers is 35 years old;
• 88 percent of all affected workers are at least 20 years old;
• 35.5 percent are at least 40 years old;
• 56 percent are women;
• 28 percent have children;
• 55 percent work full-time (35 hours per week or more);
• 44 percent have at least some college experience.

Claims that mostly teenagers would see a raise if the minimum wage were increased are sometimes based erroneously upon the official Bureau of Labor Statistics data on workers who are earning the federal minimum wage or below—i.e. workers earning exactly $7.25 per hour or less. These data do not provide an accurate picture of who would see a raise if the minimum wage were increased because they exclude all workers from the 19 states with higher state minimum wages, along with all workers making slightly above the current federal minimum wage but below the proposed minimum, all of whom would see a raise if the minimum wage were increased. Also, see a comprehensive analysis of the impact of raising the minimum wage in Raising the federal minimum wage to $10.10 would give working families, and the overall economy, a much-needed boost.

.

do you know why fewer teens work these jobs?

It's b/c the min wage has been upped and upped.


damn, you are looking at the facts and are still not getting it.

Sooo, which post are you going to call yourself out on for lying, your "The people that work these jobs are young" post or-----or your "do you know why fewer teens work these jobs? It's b/c the min wage has been upped and upped.damn, you are looking at the facts and are still not getting it." post?



Craig Jelinek: "Instead of minimizing wages, we know it’s a lot more profitable in the long term to minimize employee turnover and maximize employee productivity, commitment and loyalty."
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Again you prove me right.

min jobs are for teens. a co hires lots of them knowing teens will mostly want part time work and can be unreliable.

but when the wage is forced up, you need to hire adults that will work more hours and be far more reliable.

and you think I lied?


Your level of ignorance is dangerously stewpud.

 

[NightFox]

Ten and twelve is not enough

-Raise minimum wage to $23.50/hr. Based on where minimum wage should be using 1970-2013 rise in food, shelter, and transportation.

-Eliminate all business subsidies (deductions/write-off’s/write-downs) except for employee expenses which are deducted dollar-for-dollar on all city, state, and Federal taxes and fees.

-Adjust Social Security and private/public retirement and pension payments using 1970-2013 price structure.

-Back down ALL costs, prices, fees, to January 1, 2009 levels and hold them for 10 years.

-Recall ALL off-shore investments tax free, and disallow any further off-shore investments.

This plan WILL WORK

Uh-huh... well at least your "plan" apparently has a 10 year horizon as opposed to the Soviet Central Planners 5 year "this plan WILL WORK" time horizon, of course the 5 year central planners in the U.S.S.R were all absolutely right on target, right up to the point where their economy completely imploded.

The road to economic hell is paved with the best central planner intentions.....

 

[SwimExpert]

Again you prove me right.

min jobs are for teens. a co hires lots of them knowing teens will mostly want part time work and can be unreliable.

but when the wage is forced up, you need to hire adults that will work more hours and be far more reliable.

and you think I lied?


Your level of ignorance is dangerously stewpud.

Well, it's not really that simple. The real problem is that there are more jobs that are minimum wage jobs. Adults are filling these not because of turnover concerns. Employers are all too happy to have high turnover from minimum wage jobs. In fact, most companies nowadays who hire minimum wage and/or near minimum wage jobs are purposely anticipating high turnover. The thinking seems to be that enduring the costs constantly training new employees is less than the cost of higher wages. And they've found a way to make that true by effectively eliminating training periods.

The real reason so many adults are now in minimum wage jobs or near minimum wage is because the job is not compatible with being filled by a student, and because that's just the best match for the need of the labor/employment markets. You can't have a student in a job that calls for a day time schedule. You can't pass on an applicant when you need the labor, just because you're hoping to hold out for a teen.

Of course, all that being said, legislatively raising the minimum wage still does not accomplish anything, other than to cause a lot of headaches, and put even more money into the hands of the most richest among us. If the left wants to enact policies to reduce inequality, then I'd be all for it. But they need to come up with a plan that will actually target the inequality. Trying to do it by proxy by raising the minimum wage is a fool's errand.