Corporate Tax Revenue Came In 31% Below Predictions, And It's Getting Worse

[Dana7360]

thanks for your opinion,,,but it means nothing to those that go to jail or killed for it,,,

If they go to jail then they broke the law. I don’t know who gets killed for not paying taxes so that sounds like more hyperbole to me

what if they choose not to go to jail???

If they break the law, are convicted of a crime, and sentenced to jail then that’s where they go. You’re digging yourself into a hole. Give up on this silly argument of yours and try honest conversation for a change

that was honest,,,

Calling legal taxation robbery isn’t honest. You defend funding the military because it’s in the constitution but then refer to taxation as robbing the rich. No that’s not honest. It is hypocritical

The constitution allows the government to tax the population. It's very constitutional and legal.

You're arguing with a very stupid person who doesn't know what's in the constitution,.

Which means you're wasting your time with a very stupid person.

The 16th amendment to the constitution very clearly gives the government the power to tax income no matter where the income comes from.

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

 

[sartre play]

No one ever seems to consider that both sides of the isle have some better, good, reasoned ideas. all seem locked into MY party mentality instead of thinking about working together towards workable solutions.

 

[Slade3200]

Calling legal taxation robbery isn’t honest. You defend funding the military because it’s in the constitution but then refer to taxation as robbing the rich. No that’s not honest. It is hypocritical

have you always been a fucking moron or is it something new youre trying???

I never said that,,

You never said what?

I never said taxation is theft if its in the constitution, because its a contract, but taking my money at gun point and giving it to another violates that contract,,,

So what do you suggest happen if I don’t want to pay my taxes? You know to pay for the military and trumps golf and such?

now your TDS is showing ,,,
maybe you should leave the country, or fight to stop it,,,easier to just leave,,,

On the contrary, you are running from the substance and resorting to empty insults. Your last comment did nothing to further the conversation. Is that a white flag I see?

 

[progressive hunter]

The Federal Government is required by the Constitution to provide a military. Compensation for disabilities due to military service can not be considered unconstitutional.

Do you have a link? I’d like to see where the constitution says that all military and their families are entitled to lifetime healthcare benefits

key word being military,,,and who said their families are covered for life???

It’s jist part of the effort, we can ignore that element if you like, I don’t want the topic to go off track....

Military Health Care: The Issue of

Many military health care beneficiaries, particularly military retirees, their dependents, and those representing their interests, state that they were promised "free health care for life at military facilities" as part of their "contractual agreement" when they entered the armed forces.

well at least they have skin in the game,,,,
not so much for the welfare recipients,,,


welfare should only be done at the local level. when its done at the fed level to much is skimmed off the top for political reasons,,,

Wow, that was a nice 180 subject change. Well in my opinion it is in my interest to not have homeless people everywhere, to have less crime in my neighborhood. By providing resources to those in poverty I believe we can reduce those numbers. The constitution allows for the government to support the general welfare so the legality of taxation for things like welfare, infrastructure and education etc depends on whether congress deems the efforts for the welfare of the people. The laws then need to be signed by the president and are then open to be reviewed by the Supreme Court if others deem them as unconstitutional. This is our process and this process was done over each of the efforts I listed above. So like you said, case closed.

not sure how that is a 180 on anything,,,

and I never said charity is a bad thing, just that its not the job of the feds and is best done at a local level where it can be better administrated and legal,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

have you always been a fucking moron or is it something new youre trying???

I never said that,,

You never said what?

I never said taxation is theft if its in the constitution, because its a contract, but taking my money at gun point and giving it to another violates that contract,,,

So what do you suggest happen if I don’t want to pay my taxes? You know to pay for the military and trumps golf and such?

now your TDS is showing ,,,
maybe you should leave the country, or fight to stop it,,,easier to just leave,,,

On the contrary, you are running from the substance and resorting to empty insults. Your last comment did nothing to further the conversation. Is that a white flag I see?

I ran from nothing,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

If they go to jail then they broke the law. I don’t know who gets killed for not paying taxes so that sounds like more hyperbole to me

what if they choose not to go to jail???

If they break the law, are convicted of a crime, and sentenced to jail then that’s where they go. You’re digging yourself into a hole. Give up on this silly argument of yours and try honest conversation for a change

that was honest,,,

Calling legal taxation robbery isn’t honest. You defend funding the military because it’s in the constitution but then refer to taxation as robbing the rich. No that’s not honest. It is hypocritical

The constitution allows the government to tax the population. It's very constitutional and legal.

You're arguing with a very stupid person who doesn't know what's in the constitution,.

Which means you're wasting your time with a very stupid person.

The 16thy amendment to the constitution very clearly gives the government the power to tax income no matter where the income comes from.

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

it says where they can get it, not where they can spend it,,,

ignorance might be bliss, but its still ignorance,,,

 

[Slade3200]

If they go to jail then they broke the law. I don’t know who gets killed for not paying taxes so that sounds like more hyperbole to me

what if they choose not to go to jail???

If they break the law, are convicted of a crime, and sentenced to jail then that’s where they go. You’re digging yourself into a hole. Give up on this silly argument of yours and try honest conversation for a change

that was honest,,,

Calling legal taxation robbery isn’t honest. You defend funding the military because it’s in the constitution but then refer to taxation as robbing the rich. No that’s not honest. It is hypocritical

The constitution allows the government to tax the population. It's very constitutional and legal.

You're arguing with a very stupid person who doesn't know what's in the constitution,.

Which means you're wasting your time with a very stupid person.

The 16thy amendment to the constitution very clearly gives the government the power to tax income no matter where the income comes from.

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

It’s good to have conversations like this as long as both parties stay on track. He seems to be running from the substance and resorting to insults and hyperbole now so perhaps the debate has run it’s course. I’m a small government guy and I don’t love paying taxes but I do understand why they exists and I support smart efforts by our government to make our country a better place. There are many areas for improvement and a ton of waste but overall we’ve done a damn good job.

 

[Slade3200]

No one ever seems to consider that both sides of the isle have some better, good, reasoned ideas. all seem locked into MY party mentality instead of thinking about working together towards workable solutions.

Amen

 

[progressive hunter]

what if they choose not to go to jail???

If they break the law, are convicted of a crime, and sentenced to jail then that’s where they go. You’re digging yourself into a hole. Give up on this silly argument of yours and try honest conversation for a change

that was honest,,,

Calling legal taxation robbery isn’t honest. You defend funding the military because it’s in the constitution but then refer to taxation as robbing the rich. No that’s not honest. It is hypocritical

The constitution allows the government to tax the population. It's very constitutional and legal.

You're arguing with a very stupid person who doesn't know what's in the constitution,.

Which means you're wasting your time with a very stupid person.

The 16thy amendment to the constitution very clearly gives the government the power to tax income no matter where the income comes from.

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

It’s good to have conversations like this as long as both parties stay on track. He seems to be running from the substance and resorting to insults and hyperbole now so perhaps the debate has run it’s course. I’m a small government guy and I don’t love paying taxes but I do understand why they exists and I support smart efforts by our government to make our country a better place. There are many areas for improvement and a ton of waste but overall we’ve done a damn good job.

the government is made up of people,,the constitution is law,,,

and you just admitted to being a useful idiot,,,

 

[Rustic]

Federal tax payments by big businesses are falling much faster than anticipated in the wake of Republicans’ tax cuts, providing ammunition to Democrats who are calling for corporate tax increases.
The U.S. Treasury saw a 31 percent drop in corporate tax revenues last year, almost twice the decline official budget forecasters had predicted. Receipts were projected to rebound sharply this year, but so far they’ve only continued to fall, down by almost 9 percent or $11 billion.

Though business profits remain healthy and the economy is strong, total corporate taxes are at the lowest levels seen in more than 50 years.

Big businesses paying even less than expected under GOP tax law


But the frightening thing is that, despite all the sugar Trump and the Republicans have poured into the system, dark clouds continue to gather on the horizon. The economy looks set to slide into a recession with interest rates near record lows and corporations already basking in gifts even bigger than predicted. Any “stimulus” that happens to pull the U.S. out of this one, isn’t going to come through tax breaks for corporations. That well is already dry.

Lol
The swamp does not deserve any more money in fact it deserves much less so shut the fuck up

 

[boedicca]

The thread title is disingenuous.

The real issue is that although tax receipts in total are rising, spending is increasing at a faster rate. The House of Reps is failing the American people by obsessing over their TDS instead of balancing the budget.

 

[Slade3200]

Do you have a link? I’d like to see where the constitution says that all military and their families are entitled to lifetime healthcare benefits

key word being military,,,and who said their families are covered for life???

It’s jist part of the effort, we can ignore that element if you like, I don’t want the topic to go off track....

Military Health Care: The Issue of

Many military health care beneficiaries, particularly military retirees, their dependents, and those representing their interests, state that they were promised "free health care for life at military facilities" as part of their "contractual agreement" when they entered the armed forces.

well at least they have skin in the game,,,,
not so much for the welfare recipients,,,


welfare should only be done at the local level. when its done at the fed level to much is skimmed off the top for political reasons,,,

Wow, that was a nice 180 subject change. Well in my opinion it is in my interest to not have homeless people everywhere, to have less crime in my neighborhood. By providing resources to those in poverty I believe we can reduce those numbers. The constitution allows for the government to support the general welfare so the legality of taxation for things like welfare, infrastructure and education etc depends on whether congress deems the efforts for the welfare of the people. The laws then need to be signed by the president and are then open to be reviewed by the Supreme Court if others deem them as unconstitutional. This is our process and this process was done over each of the efforts I listed above. So like you said, case closed.

not sure how that is a 180 on anything,,,

and I never said charity is a bad thing, just that its not the job of the feds and is best done at a local level where it can be better administrated and legal,,,

My question was about where in the constitution is outlines the medical benefits for the military an you spun back to welfare. That’s fine though I went with it. Made a statement about that, which you are not addressing. You are such a “joy” to converse with

 

[progressive hunter]

key word being military,,,and who said their families are covered for life???

It’s jist part of the effort, we can ignore that element if you like, I don’t want the topic to go off track....

Military Health Care: The Issue of

Many military health care beneficiaries, particularly military retirees, their dependents, and those representing their interests, state that they were promised "free health care for life at military facilities" as part of their "contractual agreement" when they entered the armed forces.

well at least they have skin in the game,,,,
not so much for the welfare recipients,,,


welfare should only be done at the local level. when its done at the fed level to much is skimmed off the top for political reasons,,,

Wow, that was a nice 180 subject change. Well in my opinion it is in my interest to not have homeless people everywhere, to have less crime in my neighborhood. By providing resources to those in poverty I believe we can reduce those numbers. The constitution allows for the government to support the general welfare so the legality of taxation for things like welfare, infrastructure and education etc depends on whether congress deems the efforts for the welfare of the people. The laws then need to be signed by the president and are then open to be reviewed by the Supreme Court if others deem them as unconstitutional. This is our process and this process was done over each of the efforts I listed above. So like you said, case closed.

not sure how that is a 180 on anything,,,

and I never said charity is a bad thing, just that its not the job of the feds and is best done at a local level where it can be better administrated and legal,,,

My question was about where in the constitution is outlines the medical benefits for the military an you spun back to welfare. That’s fine though I went with it. Made a statement about that, which you are not addressing. You are such a “joy” to converse with

keyword being military,,,

 

[Clementine]

Federal tax payments by big businesses are falling much faster than anticipated in the wake of Republicans’ tax cuts, providing ammunition to Democrats who are calling for corporate tax increases.
The U.S. Treasury saw a 31 percent drop in corporate tax revenues last year, almost twice the decline official budget forecasters had predicted. Receipts were projected to rebound sharply this year, but so far they’ve only continued to fall, down by almost 9 percent or $11 billion.

Though business profits remain healthy and the economy is strong, total corporate taxes are at the lowest levels seen in more than 50 years.

Big businesses paying even less than expected under GOP tax law


But the frightening thing is that, despite all the sugar Trump and the Republicans have poured into the system, dark clouds continue to gather on the horizon. The economy looks set to slide into a recession with interest rates near record lows and corporations already basking in gifts even bigger than predicted. Any “stimulus” that happens to pull the U.S. out of this one, isn’t going to come through tax breaks for corporations. That well is already dry.

Us little people saved money last year with the lower tax rate. Everyone did. We all should have saved more than we did. It is not a crime to make money and keep more of it. The left needs to knock it off with making people feel guilty for enjoying the fruits of their own labor.

Congress needs to cut spending. Billions in foreign aid and caring for the millions of illegals here. Congress wants another pay raise that they haven't earned. They spend money like it's nothing and they have no concern for those they steal from. AOC claimed that they need the pay raise and if they don't get it, they will resort to taking money from lobbyists or taking advantage of the loophole in the law and engage in insider trading. Of course, that loophole was put there deliberately. Otherwise, it would have been corrected by now. Most politicians become wealthy while serving the country.

It's not that they don't take in enough in tax revenue. They are out of control when it comes to spending money. It's a sickness. The left is so generous with other people's money and so greedy with their own. They cannot point fingers at anyone for not wanting to pay more taxes. They love being exempt from the bullshit they impose on the rest of us. Pelosi once had a tab for alcohol on a foreign trip that exceeded the annual pay of many Americans. We shouldn't have to foot the bill for their extravagance.

We all pay too much in taxes and it needs to stop. Congress needs to be put on a budget and all expenses that are not covered in the constitution should not be allowed. National security is one of the primary roles of the federal government and that is the one expense that the left does not want to fund.

The left buys votes with their programs. Fraud, waste and abuse rule the day and they don't care as long as their dependents keep voting themselves more tax payer money.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Like I said. Earn enough so you don't give a shit or STFU. Assisting the less fortunate is essential in a civilized society. Accept that fundamental truth and move on.

how do you know what I do in my private life???

stealing from me and giving to another is not charity, its theft,,,

not to mention the war on poverty is a complete failure,,,
and a civilized society follows the law not violate it,,,

how do you know what I do in my private life???

Your attitude gives you away. You resent the less fortunate for getting "free shit" because you work your ass off and probably aren't all that better off than them.

my attitude is towards the theft of my property by those that dont have a legal right to it,,,

theft is not charity,,,

It's not theft. Our culture has evolved to understand that anyone at anytime could face hardships and that it is better for society to assist during those periods of hardship. It's a social contract that is available to you and yours if the need arises.
You should be grateful that you don't need it rather than begrudging others for their struggles.

Interesting point of view. One wonders if it's a sign that a culture has "evolved" when people in that culture feel that they deserve a "living wage" without working! I would argue that is a sign that said culture has begun a death spiral.

It's certainly a sign that our economy is not working for the majority of Americans any longer. There wouldn't need to be any discussions of support if people earned a wage they could live and thrive on.

 

[Slade3200]

If they break the law, are convicted of a crime, and sentenced to jail then that’s where they go. You’re digging yourself into a hole. Give up on this silly argument of yours and try honest conversation for a change

that was honest,,,

Calling legal taxation robbery isn’t honest. You defend funding the military because it’s in the constitution but then refer to taxation as robbing the rich. No that’s not honest. It is hypocritical

The constitution allows the government to tax the population. It's very constitutional and legal.

You're arguing with a very stupid person who doesn't know what's in the constitution,.

Which means you're wasting your time with a very stupid person.

The 16thy amendment to the constitution very clearly gives the government the power to tax income no matter where the income comes from.

Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia

It’s good to have conversations like this as long as both parties stay on track. He seems to be running from the substance and resorting to insults and hyperbole now so perhaps the debate has run it’s course. I’m a small government guy and I don’t love paying taxes but I do understand why they exists and I support smart efforts by our government to make our country a better place. There are many areas for improvement and a ton of waste but overall we’ve done a damn good job.

the government is made up of people,,the constitution is law,,,

and you just admitted to being a useful idiot,,,

Yes it is, yes it is and no I didnt

 

[Slade3200]

The thread title is disingenuous.

The real issue is that although tax receipts in total are rising, spending is increasing at a faster rate. The House of Reps is failing the American people by obsessing over their TDS instead of balancing the budget.

You think it is only the house if reps responsibility? No skin for our leader?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Like I said. Earn enough so you don't give a shit or STFU. Assisting the less fortunate is essential in a civilized society. Accept that fundamental truth and move on.

how do you know what I do in my private life???

stealing from me and giving to another is not charity, its theft,,,

not to mention the war on poverty is a complete failure,,,
and a civilized society follows the law not violate it,,,

how do you know what I do in my private life???

Your attitude gives you away. You resent the less fortunate for getting "free shit" because you work your ass off and probably aren't all that better off than them.

my attitude is towards the theft of my property by those that dont have a legal right to it,,,

theft is not charity,,,

It's not theft. Our culture has evolved to understand that anyone at anytime could face hardships and that it is better for society to assist during those periods of hardship. It's a social contract that is available to you and yours if the need arises.
You should be grateful that you don't need it rather than begrudging others for their struggles.

it is theft if it violates the law,,,which in this case it does,,

you dont like it then change the law,,,

There is nothing in the law that says it is theft. If that were the case, it would have been settled a long time ago.

 

[progressive hunter]

how do you know what I do in my private life???

stealing from me and giving to another is not charity, its theft,,,

not to mention the war on poverty is a complete failure,,,
and a civilized society follows the law not violate it,,,

how do you know what I do in my private life???

Your attitude gives you away. You resent the less fortunate for getting "free shit" because you work your ass off and probably aren't all that better off than them.

my attitude is towards the theft of my property by those that dont have a legal right to it,,,

theft is not charity,,,

It's not theft. Our culture has evolved to understand that anyone at anytime could face hardships and that it is better for society to assist during those periods of hardship. It's a social contract that is available to you and yours if the need arises.
You should be grateful that you don't need it rather than begrudging others for their struggles.

Interesting point of view. One wonders if it's a sign that a culture has "evolved" when people in that culture feel that they deserve a "living wage" without working! I would argue that is a sign that said culture has begun a death spiral.

It's certainly a sign that our economy is not working for the majority of Americans any longer. There wouldn't need to be any discussions of support if people earned a wage they could live and thrive on.

and what exactly is that wage???

I've lived on less than 5K a yr over the last 10 yrs,,,

 

[Slade3200]

It’s jist part of the effort, we can ignore that element if you like, I don’t want the topic to go off track....

Military Health Care: The Issue of

Many military health care beneficiaries, particularly military retirees, their dependents, and those representing their interests, state that they were promised "free health care for life at military facilities" as part of their "contractual agreement" when they entered the armed forces.

well at least they have skin in the game,,,,
not so much for the welfare recipients,,,


welfare should only be done at the local level. when its done at the fed level to much is skimmed off the top for political reasons,,,

Wow, that was a nice 180 subject change. Well in my opinion it is in my interest to not have homeless people everywhere, to have less crime in my neighborhood. By providing resources to those in poverty I believe we can reduce those numbers. The constitution allows for the government to support the general welfare so the legality of taxation for things like welfare, infrastructure and education etc depends on whether congress deems the efforts for the welfare of the people. The laws then need to be signed by the president and are then open to be reviewed by the Supreme Court if others deem them as unconstitutional. This is our process and this process was done over each of the efforts I listed above. So like you said, case closed.

not sure how that is a 180 on anything,,,

and I never said charity is a bad thing, just that its not the job of the feds and is best done at a local level where it can be better administrated and legal,,,

My question was about where in the constitution is outlines the medical benefits for the military an you spun back to welfare. That’s fine though I went with it. Made a statement about that, which you are not addressing. You are such a “joy” to converse with

keyword being military,,,

Yup military...very good. You’ve officially digressed to grade school levels of debate. I don’t need to waste my time with this crap. Comeback when you’re ready to put some brain energy into a discussion.